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SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced

Topic started by greatest_spb_fan (@ 212.2.14.241) on Thu Aug 2 04:57:19 EDT 2001.
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why don't anybody start a thread like 'SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced', pls

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• From: Raghuvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Jan 8 04:54:01 EST 2002
  
  Hi VR;
  
  En kadhali is by SPB+P.Jeyachandran Not KJY.
  >>"Doubters of SPB should go to Dhool.com and listen to SPB's cover of BalaMurali's "Oru Naal Podhuma" Ive listened to both versions back to back...Even Balamurali will have second thoughts on whose version is better... "<<, yeah I agree with you, M.rafi is not good as SPB in classicals, even though Rafi had ghazzal training, while SPB had no formal training, all his talents are simply self taught, which is simply amazing.
  
  
  Hi Manzoore;
  
  The song is available @ dhool.com, when you do visit there listen to another song by SPB, it is called "Kanne en azhagu rani radha", beautifuly rendered by SPB, he sings this song as if he has fallen in love this women him self,simply great.
  
  Hi Ali;
  
  Some of your listing of SPB songs are just ordinary songs, here are few which are extraordinary, please listen to them, then compare SPB with Rafi
  
  1) Engiruntho Vandhaan -music by MSV, film Engiruntho vandhaan
  
  2) Mun paniya mudhal mazhaiya - Music YSK,film Nandhaa
  
  3) Anjali Anjali - MUsic ARR, film Duet, here SPB hits the highest note (key 37) with great ease
  
  4) Gaaaaaa maaaaaa ree gama gama maga sa ree- Salainghai oli, Music by IR, here he starts from highest note to lowest note.
  
  5) Thulli thulli nee padama - Sirpikul muthu, here he sings in the lowest note (key no1), where he dsiplays his heavy bass very well, Rafi can not do justice at lower notes as he lacks the heavy bass of SPB, which is why Rafi never matched Amitabh, kishore was a better choice 4 Amitabh than Rafi.
  
  6) Mannil Indha kadhal indri - Keladi kanmani
  
  7) Tere mere beechume - Ek duche kiliye, does not he hit the higer note here with ease?
  
  8) Dil Deewana bin sachinake - MPK, what a tremendous bass he shows here, can rafi do that? , NO, Rafi's voice is soft, but SPB can be heavy or soft if he wants to.
  
  9) What about "Roja jane mun", from Roja, what do you think about his pitch modulation here?
  
  you said "When you mention distinctive voice quality, I feel Rafi is in a league of his own. I will point out two aspects of voice quality", this is just your personal opinion!!!, you have also said >>"His voice had the ability to sound the same powerful way when it reached high and low pitches as compared to other singers who crack when they reach certain levels they cannot reach"<<, I do not agree at all, SPB was way better than Rafi in the lower notes, SPB's classical was also way better rafi's.
  
  thanks
  
  Raghu
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.149.254) on: Tue Jan 8 06:34:15 EST 2002
  
  Mr. Ali, have you heard a singer my name T.M.Soundararajan. Unforunately he was born in tamil nadu. Have you listened to him singing for mgr,sivaji,ssr,jai shankar, etc. You will certainly not come to the conclusion that rafi alone sing differently for different actors.
  
  
• From: Raghuvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Jan 8 08:38:29 EST 2002
  
  Fan;
  
  I do not think that, Mr.Ali would have heard of anyone else, but Rafi!
  
  
• From: Raghuvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Jan 8 09:05:49 EST 2002
  
  Hello Mr.Ali
  
  Please listen to a song in a film called "red", @raaga.com/tamil, SPB has sung the entire song in high pitch, just listen to it then comment about SPB's singing abilities @higher pitches, there is nothing special about this song, as the MD being the south anu Malik (deva), it is SPB who has lifted the spirits.
  
  
• From: Lolu (@ 64.210.248.135) on: Tue Jan 8 13:39:44 EST 2002
  
  well said, Raghu
  
  
• From: Ali (@ 149.99.115.39) on: Tue Jan 8 19:44:58 EST 2002
  
  Hello all,
  
  Raghuvaran:
  
  First of all, I have heard many other singers than Rafi all around India including
  T.M.Soundararajan, Ghantasala, etc. They do not match up to Rafi in any sort of form.
  TMS may have sung differently for different actors but I am not talking about singing differently
  for every actor. I am talking about matching the actor's voice square for square. A singer can
  sing high pitch for one actor or low pitch for another, that is easy. But matching their voice is
  probably the most difficult to do. It sounds to me many of you have not heard Rafi.
  
  I have listened to all the songs you listed for me to hear. I will go over some of them:
  
  >>3) Anjali Anjali - MUsic ARR, film Duet, here SPB hits the highest note (key 37) with great ease
  
  Since when did SPB touch the highest note 37 here ?. I agree he does sing in high pitches but not high enough to
  reach key 37. Please hear this song again.
  
  >>5) Thulli thulli nee padama - Sirpikul muthu, here he sings in the lowest note (key no1), where he dsiplays his heavy bass very well, Rafi can not do justice at lower notes as he lacks the heavy bass of SPB, which is why Rafi never matched Amitabh, kishore was a better choice 4 Amitabh than Rafi.
  
  I think you cannot comment on Rafi's bass when you have not heard him. H ematched Amitabh better than he matched Kishore. Plus bass in a voice does not do justice to most of the songs. You need a voice
  that can touch different levels and not just be at a constant low note at all times or else the song will have no melody in it.
  
  >>6) Mannil Indha kadhal indri - Keladi kanmani
  
  This is one SPB song I like which has good melody.
  
  9) What about "Roja jane mun", from Roja, what do you think about his pitch modulation here?
  
  I agree that SPB does reach the high notes here but it is as if he is forced to. When he says the word 'Roja' he says with a tilt of a scream. SPB cannot
  adjust his throat to reach high pitches very smoothly. He has to go from a bass or normal note and reach high pitches out of constant force at most times, not all. I will list some
  Rafi songs to show what I mean. Please hear these to understand what I mean.
  
  You can hear these songs on musicindiaonline.com
  
  1. O mere shahekuban - Love In Tokyo (Shankar Jaikishan)
  2. Bahosh - o - Hawas mein diwana - Night In London (Laxmikant Pyarelal)
  3. Sukh Se Sab Sathi - Gopi (Kalyanji Anandji) You can find this song in the Rafi section itself. What a bhajan !!
  4. Likhar Tera Naam Zamin Par (with Lata) - Laila Majnu (Madan Mohan) The last part of this song will show how what key 37 or whatever key you mean is relly like, when he says the word 'Laila'.
  5. Aaj purani rahon se - Aadmi (Naushad) Look at the starting of the song.
  6. Deewane ka naam to pucho - An Evening In Paris (Shankar Jaikishan) The last part of this song shows Rafi switching levels at a very high pitch which is impossible for SPB to do.
  
  After hearing these songs, tell me if anyone can do this ?.
  
  Also hear these songs to see wonderful starting of songs as well as high pitch and low pitch songs :
  
  The following are all LP songs
  
  5. Pardah Hai Pardha - Amar Akbar Anthony (raaga.com in the Rafi section)
  6. Are maine tujko - Dharam Veer (teenstation.com)
  7. Aaj Mausam bada be-imann hai - Loafer (musicindiaonline.com) Singing at a continuous high pitch throughout the whole song.
  8. Khilona Jankar - Khilona (musicindiaonline.com)- he sings hear for a retarte man in the film. Look at how he captures the emotion of a mental man. No other singer can do this. He also employs
  good bass in the middle stanzas and switches from low notes to high notes. Hear for yourself.
  
  9. Simti Huwe Yeh ghadiyan - Chambal ki Kasam (Khaiyaam)(musicindiaonline.com)
  
  Please listen to these songs only then you will realize the greatness of Rafi. I heard the songs that you gave me now its your turn to hear the songs I
  am giving you.
  
  Also SPB is not better than Rafi in classical songs. You have not heard Rafi's classical songs to make a statement like that ?. Also what is this facination with saying Rafi's voice is only soft.
  Yes his voice could be soft and it could be macho and it could be anything. How do you think he managed to match different actors if his voice could only be soft ??. Doesn't make sense ??.
  
  See ya !!
  
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.149.20) on: Wed Jan 9 03:37:26 EST 2002
  
  rafi's voice is very soft and melodious and nothing versatile in it. it becomes stale after a few hearings unlike tms and spb. fa
  
  
• From: Raghuvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Wed Jan 9 05:51:59 EST 2002
  
  Hello Mr.Ali
  
  I agree TMS in nothing like Rafi, but Ghantasala can be compared to Rafi.
  
  I will listen to those songs you have mentioned sometimes, & will comment on them.
  
  I will never ever accept that Rafi is a good classical singer, HE IS NOT, even though he is a properly trained Ghazzal Singer, unlike SPB who is not trained in anything apart from civil engineering, who excel well over Rafi in classical singing, listen to Rafi's “Madhuban Mein Radhika Nache Re” from the film Kohinoor in 1960, he flares at high pitches & swarams, he looses control over shruti, listen @mohdrafi.com(you have probably listen to it) and listen SPB’s awesome shankaraparanam and compare this , even a novice to carnatic music or a proper carnatic boffin will say SPB is better Than Rafi in classical.
  
  There is another song from Tamil movie (probably dubbed from Telugu) called Vijayapradhapan, he there is classical / Devotional song by Dr.SPB, just listen to SPB sings the swarams at key 35 without taking a breath for 2-3 minutes, yet the pronunciation of the swarams were crystal clear, at the end of swarams bit he hits key 37, an impossible task by Rafi!
  
  If you want to hear another song were SPB hits key 37 is “satham illatha thanimai” from the film amarkalam, here he hits key 37! or listen to another song called “naanum unthan uravai” from mythili ennai kadhali, the entire song is between key key 30 – 37.
  
  Thanks.
  
  or BTW, are you a Tamilian???
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Jan 9 06:11:10 EST 2002
  
  raghu:
  
  SPB is the better than Rafi for classical IMHO, however Rafi's rendition of Madhuban mein radhika naache re is par excellence. there is no flaring up whatsoever in that song.
  
  Also listen to "Man tarpat.." and "ae duniya ke rakhwaale" from baiju Bawra, for examples of transcendental singing.
  
  Other classical songs by Rafi:
  
  -sawan aaye ya na aaye, & koi saagar dil ko behlata nahin (dil diya dard liya)
  -saaz ho tum aawaaz hun mein (saaz aur aawaaz)
  -kuhu kuhu bole koyaliyan (with Lata )
  
  you will find these on musicindiaonline.com -> hindi -> artists -> mohd. rafi (and the last one on lata + rafi duets).
  
  All these Rafi songs are great, but yes SPB is definitely the better classicist. There is no Rafi song (classical) that can compare with SPBs "omkar naadhanu.." or "brocheva...".
  
  
  But I am yet to hear sth. by SPB that would stand comparison to "chaudhavin ka chaand" or Rafis ghazals :-)
  
  
• From: Raghuvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Wed Jan 9 06:35:42 EST 2002
  
  Avr;
  
  thanks 4 agreeing with me,I will listen to those songs you have mentioned & comment on them later,oh by thw way, what does IMHO mean?
  
  

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