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"Nadodi Thendral" could have been......

Topic started by Sethu (@ 209.246.104.143) on Sat Nov 2 15:54:23 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

such a great movie. But, somewhere it went wrong. There was some great talent involved with this movie. First you had Bharathiraja, one of tamil cinema's greatest directors, poet/writer Sujatha (one of the best writers), a happening Karthik, a newface - Ranjitha, a international cast, and best of all IR's last score for Bharathiraja. But as the saying goes, too many good cooks spoiling the broth. I happened to catch this movie yesterday and wanted to give out my opinion. It reminded me a lot of "Lagaan". This has to be one of those rare movies that had a chance to be a classic if Bharathiraja had handled the story in a different fashion. IR, though, didn't let Bharathiraja down in anyway. "Maniye Manikuyile" and "Sandhana Marbiley" are some of the best songs I've heard from IR. What do you guys think?

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Responses:

• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Sat Nov 2 18:01:37 EST 2002
  
  Probably a period film was not appropriate at that time..(btw..which year did that film released?)..I was one of the guys who watched that film in theatre..movie was not that great as you said..i am a firm beleiver that BR lost his touch in depicting love stories..he can continue handling movies like andhimandharai,kizhakku cheemayiley etc..
  Music wise IR gave whatever he could for that period film..There was one song "Kaadhal paatu thaan padikoo" by Malgudi Subha..
  "Yaarum vilayadum kudam" was a classic tamil nadodi paatu..
  The climax of the movie was a confusing one..innum ennakku puriala..whether Karthik & Ranjitha dies or not..Yaaravathu BR sondhakaranga inga irundha enakku kettu sollungappa..:-)
  I wud have loved if IR done "maniyey mani kuyiley" instead of Mano..
  
  
• From: Comments (@ 172.132.60.194) on: Sat Nov 2 19:31:34 EST 2002
  
  Never watched the movie, but great songs by IR. Mano did a great job.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 202.156.2.219) on: Sat Nov 2 21:14:21 EST 2002
  
  That movie was killed by karthick. He and his costume, sakikla. Karthick could not give variety. After mouna raagam, he was doing the same way of konangi thanam in each and every movie, Ayyo Maha kadiyan kaarthick!
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.78.21) on: Sun Nov 3 01:15:34 EST 2002
  
  just amazed by IR's score ..
  
  the scene in which karthik mooku-kutthifies ranjitha
  the scene where the english lady runs up the hill for karthik with karthik giving confusing/shock-surpising emotions (my fav)...
  
  i suppose no man could ever give such a beautiful score other than IR, with all respects to other MDs.
  
  
• From: MANN (@ 203.199.247.32) on: Sun Nov 3 03:01:58 EST 2002
  
  Just a few points to all IR FANS and ofcourse ARR FANS:
  
  Both Lagan and nadodi thendral were set in the british Raj. Both have theme, of an english girl loving the indian poor guy.
  
  Iknow besides the above points and a few others like an evil british brother, both these films are different.
  
  But it is fair to compare ARR Brilliance to IR with this one film, as both are given the same situation, to score music. Where is the Ore Chori in this tamil film, what about the BGM and all the other things ARR did for this film. Isnt this a good point to prove Ir aint even a shade of ARR
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.66) on: Sun Nov 3 03:08:27 EST 2002
  
  Nadodi Thendral had superb BGM scores such as the ones mentioned by vj. It was a unique blend of Western Classical and Folk, as demanded by the story. The story, songs and music was by Raja.
  
  I read that the climax was changed after the film's release in some cities, to show a happy ending. So it looked very abrupt and confusing to some. Maybe this was the reason IR was angry with BR (since it was IR's story and BR changed without his permission).
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 202.156.2.219) on: Sun Nov 3 04:10:29 EST 2002
  
  MANN(angatti)! >>Where is ORE CHORI in this tamil film. It wont because its a tamil movie. You are talking about BGM, nalla joke!.
  Some experts please clarify my doubt. In Oru kanam song, when janaki sings tempo is little bit slow, while IR sings it is adjusted on a faster tempo (beautiful concept, as once the thalavan comes time flies). Violins and flute are great in Santhana Marbile! Janki voice is great in this song! coming to BGM IR captures the mood of the movie in each and every frame. This movie is still talked about only because of IR.
  
  
• From: MANN (@ 203.199.228.15) on: Sun Nov 3 06:50:50 EST 2002
  
  Speaker,
  Im refering to arr fusion in that song, the transition and all the other beauties of the song. NOT THE LYRICS, and duh, i know tamils dont speak hindi!
  
  And yes i was talking of BGM, dont deny arr genius in that film, all reviews consider an integral part of the movies success.
  And if you havent read american revews of lagaan, im sure u wudnt have due to ur ignorance, alll praise arr for his music!,and themovie WAS NOMINATED AS A MUSICAL!
  
  By the way u sound like the speakers of a bunch of donkeys!!!
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 202.156.2.219) on: Sun Nov 3 08:43:18 EST 2002
  
  MANN(angatti), So you go by what the US media says, you dont have your opinion! Last line shows your decency, because your are an ARR fan!
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 210.210.62.195) on: Sun Nov 3 11:47:35 EST 2002
  
  Peeps, I think it was released in May 1992. (or it cud have been a Tamil New Year's Day release).
  Brilliant album overall!
  
  
• From: Anil (@ 63.210.216.17) on: Sun Nov 3 12:35:50 EST 2002
  
  Too bad "Nadodi Thendral" was the last film that IR and BR worked together. Man, had they given some classic numbers together.
  
  BTW Speaker, the movie wasn't "killed" by Karthik. Any actor who would have done that movie would have faltered. Bharathiraja messed up big time and you can't blame it on the actors. I feel Karthik, at that time, was one of the better actors around. Even Sujatha, the writer for this movie, had said that Bharathiraja changed his original screenplay.
  
  
• From: MANN (@ 203.199.247.102) on: Mon Nov 4 02:24:29 EST 2002
  
  Speaker,
  name your self of something u know to do. I mean to say u can speak for SH*T.
  Oh if i call u a donkey its indecent and im an arr fan thats why i use those words, but its ok for u to say mannangatti, huh? DAMN IR AND HIS FANS AND OFCOURSE THEIR LOGIC
  AND YES I HAVE MY opinion, thats why i consider IR blah blah.....
  JUST CAUSE NO FOREIGN MEDIA PRAISES IR IT DOESNT MEAN THEYR USELESS.
  WHEN I SAY EVEN US SAY THIS, i mean to say even audiences not targeted my a music fantasize the music, so it just shows how majestic the score is, IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING, IM SORRY I CANT HELP UR DODO BRAINS!
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 202.156.2.219) on: Mon Nov 4 03:32:09 EST 2002
  
  Anil, I agree with you about BR sodapify the movie. But the movie requires some kind of maturity, karthik miserably failed in that.Exception being IR. That's why we speak about the film even after 12 years!.
  
  MANN(angatti), It seems you are terribly agitated as most of the words are jumbled up. It looks like you have got trouble in understanding yourself, because, you post and follow it up saying I mean this, I mean that etc..
  Coming to lagaan this thread is not for Lagaan, it is about Nadodi thendral. You unnecessarily started comparing IR with ARR. So you understand the topic and post. Bye Bye, enjoy Music which is good to you!
  
  
• From: geeth (@ 213.121.248.170) on: Mon Nov 4 06:16:40 EST 2002
  
  This movie had two great giants (IR and Sujatha) and a technically strong team but BR failed to present it as a classic. The storyline had shades of 'Ratham ore niram' the Sujatha Classic. The love story which ran with main storyline in RON is a beauty to be read and felt. The love story handled in Nadodi Thendral not only overan the whole storyline but also failed to make any impact. BR totally failed in his presentation here and finally the movie was neither a classic nor an average love story though there was an opportunity to take this tamil movie beyond tamil borders. Music went along with the storyline and it helped the movie stand up. But beyond borders, i doubt. I consider the song 'Oru ganam oru yugamaaga' as a beauty and 'Yaarum Vizhaiyaadum' as a nice folk. Agree with Speaker and Anil that Karthik spoilt the movie. Wonder who else would have done justice in his place and who would have been Sujatha's choice given a chance. Kamal ?
  
  
• From: . (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Mon Nov 4 08:21:40 EST 2002
  
  Ratham ore Niram ?
  
  You mean the Muthukumaran,Pooncholai,Ashley,Mckinsey,Bairagi saga.I don t think so.
  
  Except for the period touched RON has nothing to do with Nadodi Thendral.Emily Atkinson falling in love with Muthukumaran ...?Where was Nana Sahib,Col.Neel ?
  
  Except for Sujatha no one had the grasp for the period in that movie.The music was good but those songs could fit even in a Parthiban movie.
  
  For eg read Sujatha s "SR -Kanayazhi Kadiasi pakkangal" where he mentions about the mild defocusing required for a period movie when he wrote the review for "dhagam".(this is only a reference as Dhagam wasn t a period movie)Everyone failed in that movie.Kartik ..well..his presence hastened the fall.
  
  Among the current lot Vikram is the one who has showed enough maturity to handle these things.Kamal ...Konjam Sarakku neraya Jalli!After Hey!Ram i doubt his abilities to handle periods like "KaLapirar Kalam" for Marudanayagam.
  
  
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.50.7) on: Mon Nov 4 08:31:31 EST 2002
  
  I remember vikatan's review for IR's music-
  pinnani isaiyil oru gramthu ballet adiyirukkirar raaja..
  The BGM for this music was exceptional even though
  people like (@ 193.188.97.152),MANN would desperately like to beleive otherwise.I still remeber some of the pieces -that is after 10 years and 2 listenings.It was so memorable.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 208.237.178.229) on: Mon Nov 4 10:15:10 EST 2002
  
  Mann
  "Isnt this a good point to prove Ir aint even a shade of ARR" Yes u are correct, the reason is, ARR is a shade of IR or atleast ARR was (is) in the shade of IR, i guess.
  
  Secondly i do have lot of American friends, they seem to believe that, all indian movies have so many dance & song sequence, "All indian moives are like Musicals" and for the matter of fact Laagan is not a Musical. Get over it.
  
  I usually dont start a rift, but this one is too much for the asking, especially when i like different genre's of music from both. Comparing a Genius with a some new found success is ridiculous.
  
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 64.238.117.126) on: Mon Nov 4 14:54:46 EST 2002
  
  It could have been a better film but the director disappointmented.. I still remember MaNiam Selvan's (Ma.Se) classic illustrations and IR's BGM enticing you when the credits roll. There were many isolated scenes that were well conceived and almost poetic, enhanced tremendously by the BGM. But sadly the movie itself failed to live up to the expectations.
  
  Music was of course the highlight of the film.
  One song that never got the recognition it deserved is the English-Tamil song sung by the Brit lady in the film (It was 'Malgaadi' Shuba's debut song I think). It goes like this: 'Everytime I think of you... and goes on to kAdhal pAttu thAn pAdikkO pAdikkO'
  It is a great fusion number. The orchestration, the WCM string arrangement, the enthusiastic, full-throated singing by Shubha.. they all contributed to making it a great number. The lines 'ondru serndu parandhu mela parandhu parandhu parandhu parandhu, I want you all the way through, what can I do without you, I want you my love..." are so infectious they transport you to a different world and you want to sing along right away!
  
  Apart from the romantic songs mentioned above, it had other great numbers like the nomadic song, "YArum viLayAdum thOttam" and the folkish song sung by the heroine's heart-broken fiance' at the country fair, "Ela malak kAttukkuLLE".
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 64.238.117.126) on: Mon Nov 4 14:57:35 EST 2002
  
  Oops, disappointed.. ;)
  
  

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