which song do you think has the grandest orchestration in TFM?

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Topic started by yaaro (@ 152.163.197.47) on Mon May 21 18:49:46 EDT 2001.
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My favorites are
1)Poomalaiye from pagal nilavu-magnificent.every time i listen to this song i pick up some new aspects in its music.
2)Andhi mazhai
3)engey nimamdhi.
i think , one of loss,in recent years after advent of synthetic music has been loss of such songs.
list out your favorite ,grandly orchestrated songs in tamil

Responses:

From: Orchestrategist (@ 63.208.69.163) on: Mon May 21 19:38:27 EDT 2001

O Nenjame Idhu Un Raagame is easily the best orchestrated song ever. No other song has been this heavily and brilliantly orchestrative (to go bush style or even orchestrategery.)from Enakagu kkathiru.

yaaro, your 3 songs dont' rank even close to the below numbers.

Yaar Veettu Roja in Idhaya Koil is another great.

Desiya Geetham in that film is also equally fascinatiinng.

Then most of Guru songs in malayalm
From: Venkatesh (@ 206.49.102.49) on: Tue May 22 03:47:38 EDT 2001

My favourites:

1) Manitha Manitha - Kann Sivanthal Mann Sivakkum
2) Atho andha nadhiyoram - Ezhai jaathi

More later.
From: future_man (@ 136.206.35.10) on: Tue May 22 04:16:43 EDT 2001

Poonkathavae Thaal ...from Nizhgal
From: Shankar (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Tue May 22 04:36:45 EDT 2001

My picks...

1. poovE sempoovE un vAsam varum (solla thudikkudhu manasu)
2. Aruna kirana from guru (mallu) and almost all songs.
3. manidha manidha
4. poonkathavE (nizhalgaL)
5. puththam pudhu bhoomi vENdum (thiruda ^2)
6. rAdhai manadhil (snEhidhiyE)
recently
From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Tue May 22 06:55:29 EDT 2001

"Veerapandi Kotaiyile..." has got brilliant orchestration and everytime I hear it, it brings out a different dimension...ARR was brilliant in this Western Opera and Tamil folk fusion
From: Krk (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Tue May 22 07:18:42 EDT 2001

Rakamma kaiya thattu - Thalapadi
From: krishna (@ 208.28.2.2) on: Tue May 22 08:16:23 EDT 2001

Cosmician:

that song is similar to IR's "Ottam Konda Rajave" from Pagalil oru Iravu, which also has grand orchestration.
From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Tue May 22 08:46:37 EDT 2001

enge nimathi,
Rajavin parvai rani pakkam.
ulagam (ulagam Sutrum valiban),
pachai kili (USV)
Rakamma kaiya thattu
Oh Butterfly
Iravu nialvu (Anjali)
Rajakaiya vecha...
Kojum niavu
Chikubu raile.. (I am series:)
Columbus (once again I am series :)
niram pirthu parthen

there are many more in tfm, seriously I dont know which one to pick. Take the raja nodu from Sathi leelavati, has a very very unqiue kind of orchestration. Adapongapa, very hard to select. :)
From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue May 22 09:03:26 EDT 2001

Some more are:

ha! yaaradi nee mohini from uthhama puthiran

Yaarukkaaha idhu yaarukkaha from vasantha maaLigai

Aanandha Raagam kaetkum kaalam from panneer pushpangaL
From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.236) on: Tue May 22 14:35:56 EDT 2001

Chandirarum Sooriyarum - Avathaaram
From: Normal Man (@ 63.97.162.95) on: Tue May 22 15:42:19 EDT 2001

* Oru Poogaavanam (Agni Nakshatram)
* Adho andha nadhiyoram (Yezhai Jaadhi)...awesome but unnoticed song
* Yen Vaanile (Jhonny)
From: Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 12.92.216.15) on: Tue May 22 15:51:22 EDT 2001

If you mean by the word "grandest orchestration" means numerous no.of instruments, then I would say "Rakkamma" from Dalapathi.
From: Philosopher (@ 12.29.192.65) on: Tue May 22 17:25:22 EDT 2001

One song that stands out in my mind is
"Kalyana Maalai" from Pudhu Pudhu Arthangal

I'm sure there are many more

Thamthana Thamthana from Pudhiya Vaarpugal?
From: karthi (@ 63.21.181.67) on: Tue May 22 22:51:20 EDT 2001

Oru raja raaniyidam???
From: Raghuvir (@ 202.144.64.150) on: Wed May 23 11:39:14 EDT 2001

Pudhiya paravai songs, especially, "Engey nimmathi" has the best orchestration.
There is no doubt that Viswanathan Ramamurthy changed the trend in orchestration with a variety for people to follow.

All MSV songs are appropriately orchestrated with a uniformity. Imagine in an era of single track recording with all the musicians play at a time in one sitting! Great orchestrators! Long Live!
From: Philosopher (@ 12.29.192.65) on: Wed May 23 12:34:51 EDT 2001

I definitely enjoy MSV songs, I think he is a great composer and also agree visvanathan Ramamoorthy was a great pair and all that...

I do also agree Engey Nimmadhi has excellent orchestration

But I think Ilaiyaraja wins in overall orchestration, gaveus so much variety, excellent blend of melody and harmony with classical Indian and western style orchestration blend, bringing new dimension to cine music ...

That being said, when you consider individual songs, Ilaiyaraja has hundreds that would count as contenders for best orchestration

We should also not leave out some very good orchestration by ARR in some songs (Thiruda Thiruda, KKKK)

We may have our individual likes and dislikes, definitely IR is leaps and bounds above anyone else in Orchestration quality and variety...
From: yaaro (@ 64.12.105.51) on: Wed May 23 17:11:27 EDT 2001

azhagu aayiram from ullasa paravaigal-naalaam naalaam from kadhalikka neramillai are 2 of my other favorites.putham pudhu from TT is another good one.
From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Wed May 23 18:03:46 EDT 2001

(1) kaNgaL iraNdum enRu ummaik kaNdu pEsumO. great interlude music; probably the earliest attempt in tfm at oblique counterpoints.

(2) nALai indha vELai pArththu Odi vA nilA - listen to the first interlude especially how the flute is used. this is one fabulous song in the entire history of tfm. great melody, beautiful orchestration, stirring lyrics and above all inspired singing. one could never ask for anything more!

(3) andhappuraththil oru magarANi avaL anbuk karaththil oru magarAjan - wow! ir had high regards for tms. all the songs he had for tms were sweet. it's a pity they thing work together more :-(
From: KS (@ 165.122.129.102) on: Wed May 23 18:12:47 EDT 2001

AruL,
Which movie is the 2nd song from!!??
From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Wed May 23 18:26:27 EDT 2001

uyarndha manidhan. the first one, i think, is in maNALanE mangaiyin bhAgyam (or something like Ayiram thalai vAngiya apUrva sigAmaNi :-) ).
From: KS (@ 165.122.129.102) on: Wed May 23 18:32:55 EDT 2001

Thanks AruL. Dhool says that the first one is from Mannaadhi Mannan.
From: Saravanan. DD (@ 64.220.209.210) on: Wed May 23 20:24:52 EDT 2001

The grand orchestration in songs is in.....
1. Engae nimmathi - Pudhiya paravai ( MSV )
2. Oru naal antha oru naal - Devadhai
3. Raakammaa kayya thattu - Thalapathi
4. Madai thiranthu - Nizhalkal
5. Deva sangeetham - Guru, Malayalam, and of course all songs
6. Devi( and something...) - Siraichaalai
7. Ram, Ram, Hey hey ram - Hey ram
8. Hey unnai thaanae - Kaadhal parisu
9. Pudhucheri katcheri - Singaaravaelan
10. Ennullae, ennullae - Valli ( not so grand, but neat...)
11. Sundhari kannaal - Thalapathi
12. Raatthiri naeratthil - Anjali
13. Kalyaana maalai - pudhu pudhu arthangal
14. Kaala kaala maaga - Punnakai mannan
15. Raajaa kaiyya vachaa - Aboorva sakothararkal
16. Masthaanaa - raasaiyaa
And many more IR's songs. Pl. dont catagorize ARR songs as having grand orchestration, as most of the music comes from synthesizers.....
From: siva (@ 204.94.209.1) on: Wed May 23 21:43:20 EDT 2001

Sundari, Kannal Oru seithi - dalapathi
Siraisalai songs and bgm
Rakkama Kaiya tathu
kicku eruthe - padaiyappa (neatly arranged)

cant think now, will list down more later...
From: vc (@ 202.9.175.244) on: Thu May 24 03:48:38 EDT 2001

According to me the grandest orchestration ever
for any song in any film is "ilamai ennum poongatru" from pagalil oru iravu.Hats off to IR.
From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.130.13) on: Thu May 24 04:18:24 EDT 2001

1. Engkey Nimmathi
2. Paartha Niyabaham Illaiyo
3. Oru Naal Pothuma
4. Raajavin Paarvai Raaniyin Pakam
5. Engkeyum Eppothum
6. Andthap Purathil Oru Maharaani
8. Puthiya Poovithu Poothathu
9. Maapilaiku Maamam Manasu
10.Raja Raajathi Raajan
11.Ninukori Varanum
12.Poo Pookum Maasam Thai Maasam!?
13.Sundari Kannal Oru Sethi
14.Ithayath Thaamarai Padathil Oru Paatu
15.Kaala Kaalamaha Vaazum
16.Vandikaaran Chondtha Ooru Mathura
Innum Neraiya Iruku
From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.130.13) on: Thu May 24 04:21:18 EDT 2001

TFM is really lucky to have good MDs to give varities of tunes and orchestration. Thanks to all TFM MDs.
From: eden (@ 210.214.5.193) on: Thu May 24 04:38:46 EDT 2001

my additions to the list :
`vizhiyilE malarndhadhu, uyirilE kalandhadhu' from Bhuvana oru ?
`poongathavE thAzh thiravAi' from Nizhalgal
`EdhO mOham' from kozhi koovuthu
From: krk (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Thu May 24 05:10:57 EDT 2001

some more songs,

vavA anbE anbE - Agni Natchathiram
mAsi mAsam nAlAna poNu - Dharma durai
Valli valli ena -
eAdhEdhO eNam valarthEn - Punnagai Mannan
kalyAna mAlai kondAdum - Pudhu pudhu arthangal
putham pudhu kAlai - Aligal Oivathillai
aAgAya gAngai - Dharma yudham
pOtri pAdadi poNE - Devar Magan
From: yaaro (@ 152.163.213.206) on: Thu May 24 09:04:03 EDT 2001

krk,
most of the songs you have listed-you seem to be raeding my mind!
esp orchestartion for potri paadadi penne-wow-a hardcore folk tune arranged in a grand WCM type orchestartion.in the first interlude, it starts as a single instrument which sounds like a villuppattu like violin instrument -this is joined by the violins-and how!-then it all slowly goes down back to the same instument which starts it.
second is yedhedho ennam song-classical IR orchestration stuff.the sense of yearning in that song!
From: yaaro (@ 205.188.195.26) on: Thu May 24 09:10:02 EDT 2001

regarding raakkaamma-from thalapathi-this song was recorded in bombay.apprently .the entire orchestra gave a standing ovation to IR after the recording was completed.they were all so thrilled with the song.(incidentally, the same happened after the recording of his symphony!)
From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu May 24 13:53:50 EDT 2001

BTW, did you guys know where I can get thalapathi CD ? It is one of the best recordings in TFM.

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