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ARR's interview in Hindu .....-Intresting Point

Topic started by MumbaiRamki (@ 63.186.8.168) on Sun Dec 12 18:45:07 EST 2004.
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http://www.hindu.com/mp/2004/12/13/stories/2004121300340100.htm

1.The 'Yuhi chaala ' song from swades was orginally composed for Lagaan .

2.Harris Jeyaraj worked with him only for 2 films !!

3.On today's music -
"What is today's Tamil film music all about? They are nothing more than fast numbers or remix downloaded. What took me weeks to make music for a "Gentleman" or "Rangeela" can be done today if you have a computer, software and then pre-set the rhythms and you have a disco number! Fast music is no big deal today as anyone can become a music director"

4.Rajiv Menon film in tamizh .

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• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Fri Dec 17 14:04:37 EST 2004
  
  Vijay:
  
  "Rahman's case is more due to his own choice and priorities"
  
  And I certainly don't accept that Rahman's priorities in accepting Dil Ne or Yuva or Lakeer were anything other than delivering commercial successes. He failed.
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Fri Dec 17 14:39:27 EST 2004
  
  Have there been any non-ARR movies in the last few years which failed at the box office yet whose songs were commercially successful? I think the success of songs these days is driven to a large extent by the success of the movie itself. Maybe I am wrong, but are there any instances where this did not hold? Have there been any YSR, HJ, VS songs which were very successful but the movies failed?
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Fri Dec 17 14:50:06 EST 2004
  
  For example, Sullan had numbers which are, arguably, comparable to, for example, Gilly or Dhool. The movie failed and the songs were not heard much after the release. Are Bharadwaj's numbers in Dreams or May Maadham any inferior to his music in hit movies like Autograph or Attahasam? Moot.
  
  
• From: MumbaiRamki (@ 151.148.60.59) on: Fri Dec 17 14:52:20 EST 2004
  
  Music4ever ,
  Definetely!!!!!
  
  COnsidering past 4 years ...
  
  1.Time -Illayraaja
  2.Laysa Laysa -Harris Jeyaraj
  3.Album -Karthick Raaja
  4.Parvai Ondre Pothume -Bharani
  5.Alavandaan - SEL
  6.12 B -Harris Jeyaraj
  7.Samurai -Harris
  8.Bala - YSR
  9.Youth -ManiSharma
  10.Geethai -YSR
  11.Anbe SIvam _Vidyasagar
  12.Dheena - YSR
  13.Madhurey - Vidyasagar
  14.Bhagavathi -Deva ( Lovely copied ganas )
  
  
  
  These albums are not super duper hit ,but definetely a hit !!
  
  
• From: MumbaiRamki :)) (@ 151.148.60.59) on: Fri Dec 17 14:56:39 EST 2004
  
  
  Naan yetho time pass ka oru topic arambicha ,koLa adi sanda nadukutha ???
  
  It reminds me of Vdivel's dialWInner ...
  
  kadugu alavu kallu patta thuka epadi adikka varanuga ...ada paavigala koyil deeparthana katravaar kuda thiviravathi ya aakitangale!!
  
  
• From: MumbaiRamki (@ 151.148.60.59) on: Fri Dec 17 14:57:29 EST 2004
  
  it should be "Vadivel's dialogue in winner "
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Fri Dec 17 15:00:25 EST 2004
  
  Mumbia Ramki: Paarthale Paravasam, Kannathil Muthamittal and Kadhal Virus not in your list of the last four years? Interesting. I thought the songs in these movies were hits, if not super duper hits.
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Fri Dec 17 15:01:44 EST 2004
  
  Vadivelu in Arasu is absolutely hilarious.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Fri Dec 17 15:04:07 EST 2004
  
  Music4Ever:
  
  "Have there been any YSR, HJ, VS songs which were very successful but the movies failed? "
  
  That opens up a whole new can of worms doesn't it? If we believe that there have been few cases of such a phenomenon, doesn't it mean that the music-buying audience perceives such parity among present composers that they don't buy anyone unless also persuaded by the movie in some way. If someone stood out wouldn't they go out of their way to seek that composer/album?
  
  We'll have to wait for more people pitching into to support/attack MumbaiRamki's list before drawing any conclusions from it.
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Fri Dec 17 15:11:58 EST 2004
  
  Mumbai Ramki: I would leave Isaignani out of the equation for the purposes of our present discussion. Reason? He has achieved such heights in the eighties that, at least to me, the numbers in Time don't amount to much (although they may be very good). It is like talking about Sachin's 248 against Bangladesh when there are those great knocks in Perth, Sydney (early 1990's) etc. IR is an all-time TFM great, so we will leave him out of this discussion.
  
  Then, from the list given by you, I feel that songs from Leysa Leysa, Anbe Sivam, and Bhagavathy were heard for a long time. Maybe Youth also. I am pretty sure that 3, 4, 5, 10, 12, 13 in your list were damp squibs.
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Fri Dec 17 15:22:35 EST 2004
  
  Observer: Your point noted. Yes, presently, based on commercial success, no MD seems to be a clear winner.
  
  
• From: Washermanpet Walrus (@ 130.127.54.62) on: Fri Dec 17 15:26:42 EST 2004
  
  "Isn't that too a quest for applause from the likes of Guess Me?"
  
  he he he he :-)
  
  rajasaranam, what does Jabardasthu Jangri mean?
  
  :-)))
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Fri Dec 17 15:28:04 EST 2004
  
  Music4ever:
  
  "Then, from the list given by you, I feel that songs from Leysa Leysa, Anbe Sivam, and Bhagavathy were heard for a long time. Maybe Youth also. I am pretty sure that 3, 4, 5, 10, 12, 13 in your list were damp squibs."
  
  Input appreciated. Though it's not hard enough data to convince skeptics, we'll have to do with it for lack of better. I wonder if we could get more people to contribute on this, without supporting one or the other MD.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Fri Dec 17 15:31:06 EST 2004
  
  I'm interested in determining what in each successful-without-the-help-of-the-movie album was appealing to the audience. I guess we must also try to factor out star-attraction from the buying process. That is Anbe Sivam gets less points than LL because of Kamal and so on.
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Fri Dec 17 15:37:36 EST 2004
  
  Observer: As far as I am concerned, Leysa Leysa has three wonderful numbers. In one number, the singing of Madhumita and the music were really adorable. In another number SriLekha did a great job, especially at the end where she hums. Then Anuradha Sriram did a decent job in the title number.
  
  In Anbe Sivam we have this delectable number that goes "Poo vaasam purappadum kanne nee poo varaindhal" or something like that. That is a lovely lovely number even if, at places, it reminds one of IR's golden vellai pura ondru number.
  
  Bagavathy had a couple of beautiful numbers (I fail to recall them now). I used to enjoy listening to them. The music was superb and one of the tunes was fantastic.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Fri Dec 17 15:38:34 EST 2004
  
  "Mediocre not only according to me, but also from a commercial impact point of view, from the number of trends he's set, or more precisely NOT set in the recent past,"
  
  Observer, you have a serious reading comprehension problem. I said that commercial success has nothing to do with me a liking a song for its quality or freshness or some other factor. You keep twisting my words. You accused me of supporting mediocre products of Rahman and said I am "short-sighted". I dont think I am being short-sighted when I support something I wholeheartedly like and I have listened to plenty of old TFM as well and am more of an oldies fan. I cannot make it any more clearer for you.
  
  "Yes, so why is he criticizing others? Their priorities now are the same as Rahman's some time ago, which is to please the public. "
  
  Like I said earlier, he didnt call a press meet to criticize others. His comments were in response to a question related to today's trends and composing methods. And several others like SPB have criticized the present young crop of MDs(like YSR, Dhina etc.) as well but without naming names.
  
  
  "In any case if all we do is appreciate and re-use their techniques, then 200 years from now people will still only remember Mozart and Thyagaraja, not IR or ARR. "
  
  well lets first find out if the present set of young MDs are even capapble of just "aping" their techniques before we go on our great quest of innovations in "space, timbre and rhythm". If a composer couldnt spot a discordant note in his own tune(as observed by SPB of a current hot young MD) then something tells me that he would have a difficult time even trying to ape Mozart or someone else. You have to learn first from the great works before unlearning and setting about your own trend. The current crop of young MDs in TFM still have a steep learning curve.
  
  IR, after all his accomplishments, still thinks that he has a lot to learn in music.
  
  "Technology has driven music to expand along dimensions of timbre, rhythm and space that were never available to the composers of the past."
  
  True, technology has made even an average MD look good as it has reduced music-making to pushing a few buttons on your laptop. While Rahman mixed and matched his groove-based beatsy songs with solid melodies backed by Indian instruments the current crop of MDs are just about learning to do the former.
  
  "And I certainly don't accept that Rahman's priorities in accepting Dil Ne or Yuva or Lakeer were anything other than delivering commercial successes. He failed."
  
  How do you know that Yuva was a failure musically?
  Boys, KaNgaLaal kaidhi Sei, New were all at the top of the charts for a significant amount of time and 2 of these 3 movies didnt do well at all.
  
  On the other hand if you line up the albums of other MDs it would be 2 successes vs 8 failures. No one has heard much about YSR's Junior Senior, Yethiri, Kaadhal Samrajyam, Thennavan and countless other albums that just sink without a trace. His only successes have come in films that have been successes as well, unlike Boys or Ayudha Ezhuthu. I cant think of a single recent film by ARR that did well outstandingly notwithstanding his "mediocre" music.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Fri Dec 17 15:40:56 EST 2004
  
  Music4ever:
  
  Terrific, I never listened to those I must say. I know, shame on me :-). I'll redress the lack asap. Off to raaga.com.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Fri Dec 17 15:41:23 EST 2004
  
  "I'm interested in determining what in each successful-without-the-help-of-the-movie album was appealing to the audience. I guess we must also try to factor out star-attraction from the buying process. That is Anbe Sivam gets less points than LL because of Kamal and so on."
  
  that will be a never-ending task and a highly subjective list that wouldnt serve any purpose. What is needed is authentic sales figures on recent audio sales to even determine for sure whether ARR is "slumping". So far havent seen any sales figures for TFM yet. We are just debating based on hearsay.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Fri Dec 17 15:48:12 EST 2004
  
  "Are Bharadwaj's numbers in Dreams or May Maadham any inferior to his music in hit movies like Autograph or Attahasam? Moot"
  
  Baharadwaj's numbers are uniformly medicore, so this is definitely a moot point :-) He gives acouple od decent numbers for his favourite director Saran now and then . Yenakkena erkanave from Paarthen Rasithen is still his best melody to date. He is one terribly inconsistent MD.
  
  
  

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