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Why so much of Raja Sychophancy ?

Topic started by music_lover (@ nexgensi.com) on Wed Jul 1 16:26:17 EDT 1998.
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• From: music_lover (@ nexgensi.com) on: Wed Jul 1 16:33:24 EDT 1998
  
  Don't you guys think that this forum has hyped Raja. Hardly a topic is there without a mention of Raja.
  Anyhow I also like Raja but definitely there is life (musically speaking) outside Raja's music.
  These days I listen to Carnatic, Western Classical and Jazz and I enjoy it as much as what
  I use to enjoy Raja's music some 10-15 years back.
  
  Reading so much about Raja in this forum, will only make guys like me develop an allergy towards Raja. After all there is a limit to hero worshipping.
  
  
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks6d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Wed Jul 1 16:41:12 EDT 1998
  
  hi:
  There indeed is a limit to hero worshipping and that is why we IR 'sycophants' stop short of angapradakshinam :-) . If your music tastes are decided by what people write in public forums like this, I am afraid you are least qualified to comment on IR 'sycophants'. We are not IR sycophants, we are 'music sycophants'. And IMO, I repeat, IMHO, IR is the greatest living exponent of music. It is to that ability that we shower our gratitude upon - not to the persona.
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Wed Jul 1 18:46:06 EDT 1998
  
  Also, the net provides a great froum to express our opinions about IR and his greatness.. unfortunately the media and promoters want his demise and are doing anything they can to keep him down.so, we IR fans voice our opinions in opposition to the blatant injustice done to IR ! and we are proud of it.. well, if you develop an allergy for Ir.. he is not the loser!
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 146.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net) on: Wed Jul 1 19:37:54 EDT 1998
  
  HI
  Same change is happening in Me, when I see many Raja postings , I get irritated. These guys talk as though there is no other music in the world..
  
  They throw fire at everyone who dont support Raja. -- Directors, Singers, Actors, Other MDS...etc etc....
  I am dont see a fan here, I only see worshipers..
  
  Srikanth
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Wed Jul 1 19:53:45 EDT 1998
  
  I think it all depends on what your bias is..for people who want to bash IR we are seen as worshippers.. for us we are just standing up against all the lies, misperceptions htrown around for only one reason...to bash IR.
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ pdxss902.jf.intel.com) on: Wed Jul 1 20:07:47 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  I feel this forum is for all types of TFM discussions. Where else will you go and post about
  IR? I dont feel there is anything wrong about expressing ones opinion. Is there anything wrong with that? I enjoy some postings like that since I admire Raja. At the same time it brings out some details about the songs when people try to prove their points.
  
  Srikanth I can see that u are irritated with all
  these postings. I can bet that there is not a single IR fans posting that u have not responded to in recent times. I can appreciate your concern
  for other MDs, other music and all that. But I feel sometimes hardcore fans should also be allowed to tell what they want. If you dont like you can ignore it. I have seen many sarcastic postings by many people in response to Raja postings. The problem is I think most of us are not ready to change our opinions and yet we fight.
  I dont know how people are categorized as worshippers or fans. So anyone who shares ones
  opinion is a fan and anyone who opposes someone is
  a harcore militant. I have no idea if I am a fan or a worshipper. I have never posted anything against any MD for I dont believe such things. But
  as far as I have followed this forum nobody is ever called an ARR fanatic even though there are many who consider him to be the best and who ridicule Raja. Just a mention of other MDs here and there makes them a genuine fan I guess. I feel
  it is a biased opinion to say that this forum is getting messed up by harcore fans of a MD. On the
  contrary I feel some of the best postings have come out interesting arguments. There are still
  lot of threads that are neutral but most people most only in some threads. I guess most of us enjoy whats going on barring a few postings
  
  
• From: Music_Lover (@ nexgensi.com) on: Wed Jul 1 20:42:05 EDT 1998
  
  This forum talks about Raja as if all other Indian
  music directors (past and present) are a bag of
  shit when compared to him. This kind of attitude can only evoke laughter from my side. India has produced extra-ordinary music directors (and I believe no other country can boast of this) and Raja is just one of them; nothing more, nothing less. The beauty of music lies in variety and frankly even Raja's music becomes *BORING* if you can keep on listening to it.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 203-96-234.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Jul 1 22:27:43 EDT 1998
  
  Music_Lover:
  Alavukku minjinaal amruthamum nanjagum - I agree. But that does not take away the fact that amrutham is, on any given day, better than sherbet ! There may have been some strongly worded postings in favour of IR in this forum. But don't use that as a stick to beat IR with. Neenga IR kitta yenna kuraiya kandeengalo adapaththi pesunga. Don't decry the fact that several of us like him (or his music). Laugh all you want - you end up being the loser. Perhaps if you kept one orifice closed and the right ones open, you'd sit and appreciate the incredible achievements of this man, rather than spout inanities like hating him for his followers ! That's a brand new one - I must grant you originality !
  
  
• From: Arvind Kumar (@ ip25.santa-clara6.ca.pub-ip.psi.net) on: Thu Jul 2 00:05:38 EDT 1998
  
  Srinath,
  
  I think Mr/Ms Music Lover has a point. Most of the Rahman bashers hate him for precisely the same
  reason, hero worshipping of Rahman. They consider him hyped and overrated. Why not the same rule apply to Raja, eh ?
  
  
• From: badri raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Thu Jul 2 00:36:41 EDT 1998
  
  hi guys!
  
  i did not realise that there is an (yet another) topic
  about raja, albeit on a different mode. i have just submitted a posting in "why is deva surviving" wherein there is yet another pugazh malai for rajaa which i consider totally out of context and said so in as many words.
  
  it is simply marvellous that raja has evoked so much admiration and respect from knowledgeable fans all over the world. they certainly have the right to talk about him and glorifying him but within the context of the discussion. if there is a topic on let's say dhandabani desikar and if somebody mentions what if he were to sing for today's movies, that's the end of desikar and his era. initially the mood will be on raja with desikar but soon desikar will vanish and all the glories of raja starting from annakili to km will flow eloquently and anybody who tries to moderate will be stampeded. and it is not that new facets of raja are discussed. it is the same old maavu being arachufied over and over again. rombu pulichu poyidum maavum. this is not on.
  
  when there are self-confessed sycophants and fanatics of raja around, one cannot expect reason and context.
  
  
  
• From: ganesh (@ 164.164.37.8) on: Thu Jul 2 02:39:03 EDT 1998
  
  IR is no doubt a great composer and has carved a niche for himself. But IMO he is definitely overrated in this forum. How else can ou explain comments like
  
  IR is the greatest musician ever!!(Restricting myself to just TFM, I can think of atleast two composers whose contribution I think has been significant . I dont want to put a greater than, less than symbol between these composers. After all they are good in their own right).
  
  IR is music! (I wonder what IR will have to say about this).
  
  What is most disturbing about this is the effort by some to undermine/dismiss the contribution made by other MD's. Post(??) IR period music is always dismissed for some reason or the other (If it is very good(in the opinion of the DFers here and cannot be dismissed outrightly then a reference to some IR's earlier composition is brought and the new one is dubbed a being inferior to the earlier one)
  
  I value the contribution that he has made to music(and will probably be making) but I dont agree with the glorification of him alone!
  
  
• From: suraj (@ customs.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Jul 2 08:38:25 EDT 1998
  
  The sychohancy extends to such an extent that some say IR sings so well. He is a great MD but is defenitely an 'abaswaram'. Another way to praise his singing is to say "this song could have only been sung by him" ( this is said for any song he has sung!) take 'sorgame endralum...". Anybody else could have defenitely sung the song better!
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks14d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Thu Jul 2 09:13:30 EDT 1998
  
  Hi:
  I don't want to do this time and again. But seeing so many new names here (aliases ?), I am explaining my stance once again. I see nothing wrong in praising IR. I too was an ARR baiter initially. But I have since stopped posting about why I dislike ARR. I now restrict myself to posting only about why I like IR. Even as an ARR basher, I always took care to substantiate my claims. I have also taken pains to explain EXACTLY WHY and HOW MDs can be compared and the better one identified. For thsoe interested please go through relevant threads in the archives, like "Best MD award of all time should go to IR", etc.
  
  Arvind Kumar:
  Till date ARR fans love ARR only for two reasons - he did something different (different, not necessarily better) and he over threw IR as the top MD in TFM. ARR is hyped up and grossly overrated by his fans. IR cannot be overrated. Take a look at the "Stranger in the Mirror" thread. I don't have a blind fascination for IR like some ARR fans have towards ARR. But I refuse to sit back and watch when people protest against other posting in favour of IR.
  
  badri raghavan:
  Self-confessed 'sycophants' make the most reasonable people of all. I know precisely the cause for my sycophancy. 'Unreasonableness' and lack of context are present in those who admire things just because they are different. I have a reason, there are some who don't.
  
  I also request Ravi to terminate this thread as I am afraid it is only going to cause ill-will amongst DFers. No one has the right to question another person's personal preferences - including me. And that's why I stopped. But if there are some who would like to make public claims against IR and for ARR, I have no choise but to intervene.
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ 205.147.245.41) on: Thu Jul 2 09:37:28 EDT 1998
  
  Guys,
  IR sycophancy is at its peak in this forum.Tamilians in particular have this obsessivness or image worshipping deep rooted in their psyche.I find this a distinctive quality and it might be part of ethinicty.
  I think this forum has been misused for some meaningless bashing and one can hardly find a thread which is constructive.
  If put to proper use we can really share some great insights about TFM rather than singing praises about somebody.
  
  srinath,
  I do'nt think U need to jump at the trigger every time somebody bashes IR.take it easy guy.
  
  Also srikanth for some reason is the champion of non IR TFM.It look like he responds only if some talks negative about ARR.Taking sides or positions is defintely not the way to go.This is soon turning into a junk forum and the intial effervesence has died down.
  
  
  Anand Mahadevan
  
  
  
  

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