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Topic started by dinesh (@ 210.186.42.195) on Thu Nov 20 23:13:59 EST 2003.
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6 Songs : Mind Blowing!!
Source :HinduTimes

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_465617,00110003.htm

Simply mind-blowing

November 20

Ajay Devgan and Vivek Oberoi can’t stop raving about the songs of Mani Ratnam’s Yuva. “A.R. Rahman and Mani Sir and dynamite together,” says Vivek on the sets of Indra Kumar and Ashok Thakeria’s Masti, and adds, “The six songs Rahman has recorded for the film are mind-blowing.”

Ajay Devgan, his co-star in Yuva and Masti, uses the same words to describe them. Incidentally, when the film was launched earlier this year, Mani Ratnam had decided not to have a single song in it.

Vivek also feels that Abhishek Bachchan’s is the best role and best performance in the film. “That guy’s career will take off in a big way after Yuva,” predicts Vivek.

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• From: piratheepan (@ 68.88.6.153) on: Mon May 24 09:57:57 EDT 2004
  
  i think madhavan is the only person who consistently chooses different roles.surya has started doing that since nandha but before then it was the college guy. but one reason i like madhavan he always has a different character.more should follow that. and i think him and surya are doing a good job with selecting roles.
  
  yes vikram does his offbeat roles too but well he has a pattern i guess is all.(like kamal with his serious film then comedy film) vikram does an offbeat (or non action role) then his masala role.
  
  right now i feel the big 3 (performance wise) is Vikram,Surya & Madhavan. Mass wise Vikram & Surya all the way with vijay shining once in awhile.
  
  im still waiting to see AE but i think they arent done screening the film in Dallas theyve had the movie since the 21st and its runnin there til this thurs (something normal tamil films....any tamil film has ever done there) so i think i might get to see it this weekend.
  
  
• From: Kanna (@ 138.130.104.115) on: Mon May 24 10:03:08 EDT 2004
  
  Ferrari...sorry about that 'Peralagan' thing. I didn't mean that it was a combo of experiment + commercial ...what I meant was that it wasn't an out and out masala film....it is a commercial movie with some substance in it.....but it is not very clear in the way I wrote it...sorry!
  
  I am not so stupid claim that Peralagan is an experiment film but I should say the character Surya plays is to some extent an experiment. The reason is that the only one who had played a hunch back in tamil films is an actor called Kalyankumar in the film titled either "Aalayam" or "Maniosai" which was serious film with a good performance but failed miserably at the box-office.
  
  Now...Kalyanaraman is not a hunchback...it was just an innocent character with just a bucked tooth. Now...if you claim that they all belong to the same family....then the first of that kind and the one that became a role model for many a roles in the future (like Kamal's Kalyanaraman & 16 Vayathinile Sappani) was Sivaji's Kannaiyan role (he is a polio victim like Chinna with a bent arm and a buckled leg)in the runnaway hit "Paaga Pirivinai"
  
  By the way....Deiva Magan had nothing to do with physical disability.....it was about a man with a scarface.
  
  Friend.....never shoot in the dark....get the facts right first....then talk....;-)
  
  (You are not tobe blamed...as I am not expecting you to know tamil cinema inside out...but...then you have to be mindful of that when you start criticising others' comments!)
  
  Ferrari...one more thing...when I say that Maadhavan's character is too elaborate when the the story revolves around Surya..that doesn't mean that Surya needs to have a duet in Switzerland and Maadhavan has to be a "Mottai Boss"....you guys are so childish and shallow...Grow up man! ;-)
  
  
• From: sd (@ 61.6.136.95) on: Mon May 24 10:05:38 EDT 2004
  
  Kanna enjoyed saamy but not AE??!!!Get a life man..
  
  
• From: sd (@ 61.6.136.95) on: Mon May 24 10:13:32 EDT 2004
  
  Guys leave the heroes alone and let us shiftt to the heroines...We should be raving abt them cos all of the spoke tamil!!!..something which is rare nowadays..Who's your pick??My vote for eesha for her impish looks and expressions..I won't be suprised if mani picks her again for his next..
  
  Btw,where can i get ae bgm??
  
  
• From: Kanna (@ 138.130.104.115) on: Mon May 24 10:16:56 EDT 2004
  
  Dhanya...don't get me wrong....Maadhavan had done a fantastic job in AE and had done justice to Mani's generous gesture (in giving him more scope)....and it is a pleasure to see more people trying different roles...especially Maadhavan who is a good actor. When I saw the film Alai Payuthe...I even made a comment...by which I still standby is..."After Sivaji in "Parasakthi"...probably Maadhavan gave the best debut performance (among heroes)in tamil films". People might say that he did under the guidance of adirector of the calibre of Mani and that he had prior experience from stage and tele serials. But.....hey...even Sivaji came from the stage!
  
  Piratheepan...you are right...performance wise...Vikram, Surya & Maadhavan are the best three (early days for Dhanush & Ravi)...but probably Surya and Vikram are more versatile than Maddy.
  
  
• From: Sankar (@ 216.40.48.20) on: Mon May 24 10:35:35 EDT 2004
  
  Is this movie a box office hit or not? Will they make money ?
  
  
• From: Kanna (@ 138.130.104.115) on: Mon May 24 10:39:20 EDT 2004
  
  sd...mate...you are a classic example for that group I was refering to in my previous posting. If I had enjoyed a so called "masala' film...is it a must for me to acknowledge an average film which is neither here nor there.
  
  Come on guys...get out of your "Arivu Jeevi" mind set....and be open minded, be natural and be rational and be objective. In my opinion....Saamy is a better made film than AE. Wait a sec...don't start to type in your next response....FYI...when I say better made....that doesn't mean...it was better in 'techno' or better in 'intellectual content'...etc. It delivered what it set out to deliver and the story was told in a clean and unabiguous manner and providing the value that the people expected from it. It also provided a wholesome entertainment and connected well with tamil people from all walks of life. Now many Mani films like Mouna Ragam, Agni Naktshathiram, Roja and Bombay fall into this category (i.e. satisfying both conditions). But...films like Nayagan and Kannathil...fall into another category...where they only meet the first criterion but not the second due to the seriouseness and treatment of the plot....which is fine also.
  
  But...sorry...AE doesn't fall into either of them!
  
  
• From: Wondering (@ 207.43.195.203) on: Mon May 24 10:40:14 EDT 2004
  
  Yuva is on the way to Hindi Blackhole of oblivion:
  
  http://www.tamilcinema.com
  
  
  
  
  
• From: dodo (@ 158.140.2.102) on: Mon May 24 13:44:43 EDT 2004
  
  Depends on who you ask... Here's link that says it is doing well...
  http://server1.msn.co.in/boxoffice/
  
  
• From: Yesakki (@ 63.73.213.5) on: Mon May 24 14:32:27 EDT 2004
  
  This Kanna is getting on my nerves.
  
  You can clearlky see the Sivaji fan color in his posts and his bias towards Kamal or any popular concept that further buries Sivaji and his acting days into oblivion.
  
  You are a guy who masked yourself as 10 different people to desperately promote SivaJI.
  
  Why do you take on pretense now to act like a guy with a good point?
  
  Also, remove your fake shields of "I am a biggest MR fan", "I grew up seeing Kamal" which you use so effectively like aq discalimer on a website to dimish the missiles that will come your way for your stupid and worthless points like Arul and Saamy are better than AE.
  
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ 69.148.107.59) on: Mon May 24 16:22:16 EDT 2004
  
  Maddy was terrific. MR should have just expanded his and Meera Jasmine's story into a full length feature. But I doubt he would ever be daring enough to make a completely villainous character as the protagonist.
  
  
• From: jaya (@ 212.211.136.33) on: Mon May 24 17:01:03 EDT 2004
  
  I have been reading views and had a chance to see the movie today.
  since i read all the bad news i really did not feel letdown or have a shock that Maniratnam has failed.
  Its a good movie and surely better than masala movies.
  Jaya.
  
  Kanna,
  I think you are a highly confused and agitated person.
  
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  From: Kanna (@ 138.130.104.115) on: Sun May 23 07:48:41 EDT 2004
  
  Jacky and Thamizhan.....mates....when it comes to Mani....I die harder than most! The pain and disappointment I suffered cannot be explained by words. I grew up watching Mani grow in stature. I was inspired by him...to an extent that I wish i could make movies like him.
  ...............................................
  
  And now you say
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  Coming back to Mani and AE. Sorry...to put it bluntly...I didn't like this film (I am not a 'fan' of Mani....but I am an 'admirer' of him)
  ................................................
  
  Better you take a break from this topic and let others discuss.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: kdot (@ 61.2.32.231) on: Mon May 24 17:17:41 EDT 2004
  
  ------"Is subtlety important in histrionics and filmmaking???--------
  
  
  
  *SPOILER ALERT*
  
  After watching AE ,I had this mixed emotions--- happy to see the gud old Maniratnam of the pre-Roja era but at the same time disappointed to see the *Old Wine in New Bottle* . I have always felt Mani is the one of the best Screen writers in India with mindblowing Visual sense. "Nayagan" and "Mouna Raagam" were his two best movies.
  those two movies were poetic,poignant but nevertheless HARD HITTING. u could feel the impact of the story. at the same time,these two movies r also subtle.
  
  but after Roja, i feel Mani is giving too much importance to subtlety---which results in funny ,unnatural dialogues and to much importance to techniques,styles and forms. Yes,i agree Cinema is a visual medium.But at the same time ,the soul of any film is the story and the content.
  
  FORM AND STYLE MUST ONLY COMPLEMENT THE SUBSTANCE & CONTENT.
  
  "Nayagan" is termed as a classic bcos it had a perfect balance between Form and Content.But after Roja, i feel Mani gives too much importance to Style & Form and neglecting the Content.
  
  Jus for the sake of subtlety,u cannot have peculiar,unnatural dialogues.
  all sentences were spoken in the following format:
  
  (verb of short sentence), (short sentence)
  
  for example, pAthEn pA, nAn pAthEn (anjali)
  
  or niRuttaNum, elllAthiyum niruttaNum.
  muDiyAdu, niruttta muDiyAdu (dalapati)
  
  
  it gives me the feeling that all these is a kinda kitcsh. though unintentional,it gives me a feelin that "all these stuff are engineered to impress". one should not emloy kitcsh knowingly.
  
  letz take ROJA. its a perfect romantic story . but why introduce the "kashmir issue" there. aravind swamy could have been kidnapped by some local terrorist gangs or Naxals or PWG group. why kashmiri terrorists??? nothing wrong in taking the "kashmir issue", but just using it in the background,without even caring to ADDRESS THE ISSUE ???
  
  ok,peace,u could argue that ROja is an abberation from the rest,it is how a common man look at Kashmir problem and the Love between the couple is more intense than any other issues.Kool.Agreed.
  
  But what about Kannathil???it is a wonderful story about "adaptation". a very powerful one indeed. but why introduce the unnecesary "LTTE issue". again nothing wrong in taking the issue. but takin such a sensitive issue without even caring to address the issue is unpardonable.and this guy INDRA is not a common man.He is a Writer.Is Mani going to lose anything if he addresses the issue??or his film will become a kinda "prachara padam"?? u could argue that the story is told on Amudha's (keerthana) viewpoint. But,there must be some confusion going inside the kids head.I heard a wonderful series of DIalogues between Keerthana and Prakash Raj ,which addresses the LTTE issue directly,was cancelled during editing. All these is bcos of a single ,half baked assumption---IF ONE ADDRESSES THE ISSUE AND TALKS ABOUT IT FOR A FEW MINUTES,THEN THE FILM LOSES ITS SUBTLENESS AND BECOMES A PRACHARA PADAM". jEEZ!! When somebody in the film talks about the central theme--the centifugal force---around which the film revolves around,then the film is definetely not a "prachara padam". The best recent example I could give is "Anbe Sivam",where Kamal does speak about Love
  towards Humanity at many places.But those dialogues never sound like "pracharam".Infact,Anbe Sivam is more subtle than many Mani films.
  
  Why Im pissed off is bcos a wonderful,genius of a filmmaker like Maniratnam who is capable of creating some revolutionary stuff is laid down to subtle,less powerful stuff--jus for the sake of attaining subtlety.
  
  One could create subtle stuff by not only CUTTING DOWN THE LENGTH OF THE DIALOGUES,ADDRESSING THE ISSUE FAR LESS THAN REQUIRED ETC.... but also by other ways like charecter names,symbols etc..
  
  the best subtle plot in tamil films is "Mahanadhi". Almost every charecter in the movie are named after rivers. and the film is essentially about "Are we going to be the complaining Punjabakesans(poornam vishwanatham) or are we ready to lose a part of ourself to clean up the soceity?? (as symbolized by kamal losing his hand)
  so one could attain subtlety in these ways tooo. Mahandhi addressed the issue well. Be it Rajesh advicing to Kamal about the "Middle class mentality" or be it Kamal crying out at the end --- those scenes convey the message loud and clear.
  
  i dont mean the vijayakanth-style "4 page dialogues" wrt ADDRESSING THE ISSUE, but like the kamal haasan style. like the way he handled terrorism issue in "kuridhipunal" and the calcutta riots, hindu-muslim relations in "Hey ram". those are HONEST ATTEMPTS. aimed at giving a clear,unbiased view about HISTORY.
  
  so,Mani Sir, pleaseeee! ur capable of giving powerful films. but dont weaken them for the sake of subtlety.pleaseee. PEACE
  
  
  p.s: My previous post is not a showcase "I-KNOW-BETTER-THAN-MANI" kinda stuff.it is simply an outcry of an ardent Mani admirer.im no filmmaker.im just a ordinary movie lover .i have told whatever i have felt. i might have so many things against Mani.but i have always had this hunch that Mani is sure to become a maestro in World Cinema in the coming days---if he could rediscover the old traces of Nayagan,Mouna raagammAgni Natchatiram and delete the "SUBTLETY--SUBLIMINALITY---HALF LINE DIALOGUES" algorithms PERIOD
  
  
• From: Yesakki (@ 63.73.213.5) on: Mon May 24 17:24:24 EDT 2004
  
  Happy you dint add that he shud go back to IR or anything. That would be a retroactive diminution in my opinion.
  
  But I agree he is giving more emphasis to form than content. I think this is good in the short run. I have enjoyed so many movies based on their form. Even a bad story but good presentation impresses. Its the case with a lot of recent German movies.
  
  

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