Is Rahman Village, Carnatic and Background Musically Challenged?

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Topic started by Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.73.97) on Sun Oct 29 01:31:55 EDT 2000.
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A great music director should be known for his/her trick on all trades when it comes to music. But AR Rahman is good only in recording crystal clear music. As far other areas are concerned he had failed miserably. Listen to all his village oriented songs same type of digital music. Even Deva and SAR do better job than him. What about BGM he plays the songs repeatedly. Deva does a better job atleast copying from Titanic or BraveHeart. What happened to songs based out of Raagas there also he lacks knowledge. What about his singing style man. Drs recommend his "Vandemataram" to clear Constibation than bringing out patriotism.

Discuss this fake, self promoting and copying star and remove his masquerade.

Responses:

From: KITKAT (@ 202.188.13.194) on: Sun Oct 29 01:56:00 EDT 2000

Admin
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From: xyz (@ 193.113.185.165) on: Sun Oct 29 02:15:27 EST 2000

all the above are correct-but all the same,remove the thread!
From: beat the trend (@ 64.40.45.6) on: Sun Oct 29 02:29:41 EST 2000

Trend engappa - innaeram alla vanthirukanume?(constibation enru aetho solranga)
From: xyz (@ 193.113.185.165) on: Sun Oct 29 02:30:27 EST 2000

all the above are correct-but all the same,remove the thread!
From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.57.221) on: Sun Oct 29 10:54:21 EST 2000

Why people are afraid about this thread? I want to discuss about the arrogance and self promoting individual? Please don't remove this thread
From: Dis_is_Da_Post (@ 24.26.25.180) on: Sun Oct 29 11:37:55 EST 2000

Deva does a better job atleast copying from Titanic or BraveHeart

Itha solla vekkama illaya? Inspite of all his (perceived) musical inabilities, Rahman is a hard-working, original and intelligent composer. He has picked things up extremely fast ... I am sure as time wears on, he will become better at BGM and folk, if he works on it.
From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.57.240) on: Sun Oct 29 14:14:01 EST 2000

Yeap, He started copying Western music while he was here. When he comes back from London he would have bettered the copying skill. He is a moron and he is not a music director at all when he cannot score a better BGM. He is very hardworking in stealing others work. He is very original being arrogant. Intelligent may be should shop for it.
From: STS (@ 38.28.19.135) on: Sun Oct 29 17:09:51 EST 2000

When others say "copy", ARR says it is his "trend" and sometimes he says it is "inspiration" from others. What-so-ever it is he is pucca commercial guy and makes money in the name of patriotism and other stuff.

ARR arrogant? Nope..

1) When ARR shunted VM from "Thenaali" only because VM asked him to reduce the sound over voice, he is not arrogant.

2) When he pretends as if he does not know anyone else, especially as if IR does not exist, ARR is not arrogant.

3) When he conducts interview (reported in Dinakaran) for Lyricists, he is not arrogant.

4) When ARR says imagine a MR movie without ARR, he is not arrogant.

Well, these days every one is a composer. ARR may be hard working but Geniuses are not hard working. Tune flows spontaneously for Geniuses.

ARR's music is like Pulipaal (tiger's milk. This is what KSR said about ARR's music for Thenaali). What he means is difficult but worth it. In my opinion worth now and then, for medicinal purpose. But for daily consumption, it is IR's music which in my opinion is divine cow's milk.

ARR may be hard working (has to be!) and intelligent but he is not a complete music director and can never be. That is the reason he is trying UK, USA etc., (Anyway pounds and $ are very valuable! than rupee)
From: STS (@ 38.28.19.135) on: Sun Oct 29 17:10:28 EST 2000

stopping italics
From: Dis_is_Da_Post (@ 24.26.25.180) on: Sun Oct 29 18:21:40 EST 2000
From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Sun Oct 29 19:41:11 EST 2000

test
From: KSS (@ 64.12.105.51) on: Sun Oct 29 20:16:06 EST 2000

Why don't we imagine Tamil film music today without ARR ? Maybe then the true worth of ARR will be proved.

Just imagine ........

An industry where Deva, SAR, Sirpi dominate. Sure you want that ?

I don't think so.
From: eden (@ 61.1.250.250) on: Sun Oct 29 22:37:06 EST 2000

KSS! Thenali kEtteengalA? Idhukku Deva'vE thEvalAm enRu thONaliyA? ARR sounds too repetitive and unimaginative with this album. In AP, at least the pallavi for some songs were impressive (snEhidhanE & sadugudu) while saranam was ooththal. KKKK was much better, a lot IR'ish and I thought things might become better. Rhythm & Thenali are disproving that as both sound horribly monotonous, IMO!
From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Oct 30 00:20:25 EST 2000

As far as Village songs are concerned ARR has composed for about 5 films-Karuthamma, Sangamam, Kizhakku seemaiyele(KS), Uzhavan and Taj Mahal(did I miss any other film?).His work in these films barring TajMahal is pretty good.Sangamam had outstanding songs.KS songs was a rage at that time.If I remember correctly,Karuthamma fetched two national awards for Swarnalatha and VM.The song had to be very good for the singer and lyric writer to be considered.

In Taj Mahal too,Sotta sotta and the two short songs were good.That two short songs(kizhakke nandhavanam and manjakilange) had true rustic feel.I thought kulirithu was OK too.

So,I don't see how he has failed as far as village songs are concerned.

For classical songs, I don't know if we are talking about only pure classical songs or songs with a classical base and can be any type on top of that.

I agree he comes nowhere near IR when it comes to BGM.

Eden,
I want to know if your IMO stands only for the last sentence alone or for that whole posting.Please clarify.
I thought his "Kandukondain Kandukondain" had a different style but sounded more MSVish.

STS,
Your opinion on applying the "milk" analogy to IR and ARR is interesting.

Why does other MDs who are hardworking and intelligent but not complete looking for riches in US,UK?I think it is b'cos they are getting lots of opportunities but they are swatting it away like flies.

Looks like other MDs are difficult to be lured.
Do you think the same way as Iam thinking?

Beat the Trend,

Ella edathalaitum enna oru vazhi pannanumnu mudivu panniteenga pola irukku.-)

Trend
From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Mon Oct 30 09:36:42 EST 2000

His work in all these movies are good. But whats folk about it?. IMHO, It sounds like that because of lyrics. He used 'porale poonu thayee' in vande mataram album. With different lyrics it wasnt folk at all. Just by few folkish beat you cant call them a geniune folk.
From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Mon Oct 30 13:20:18 EST 2000

can some please define what is folk music
or "Village" music ?
From: satishv (@ 139.85.161.184) on: Mon Oct 30 14:31:17 EST 2000

fan

16 vayadhinile pattu ketrukengala
adhuku peru dhan folk/village music
IR has used many instruments used in the villages
like 'Urumi melam " etc etc
and the song "sevandhi po mudicha chinnakka' is folk dance based song called oyilattam
From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Oct 30 14:46:51 EST 2000

Satishv,

Have you listened to "uppu karuvaadu" from "mudhalvan"?It is also a folk dance based song.
He has used instruments used in the villages electronically.

What do you think about this song?Is this a village song according to your criteria?

Trend
From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Mon Oct 30 15:20:44 EST 2000

so people in village only sing atukutti muttai itu...must be joking, then pushpavan kuppuswamy is the best md around.:)

It sounds like that because of lyrics"....
by just using urimi etc it becomes folk music!...

both are some what similar statement
btw:
the well known kowalai sound or what ever name, (females screaming olllllllluuuuuu) is used in thenali , urimi is used in many arr songs,
in different forms.

hey! arr's songs are are popular in village,town, city or metro or country, thats all about it.
From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Oct 30 15:29:08 EST 2000

I feel there is a strong misconception that music coming from BR-IR combination is the reference for village music.

So,when a different combination of instruments is used or when it is recorded in a superior way,people tend to think of the music as alien to village music.

Trend
From: pg (@ 12.20.190.1) on: Mon Oct 30 15:35:06 EST 2000

can anybody define to me what is music ? please...
From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Mon Oct 30 15:37:40 EST 2000

Trend
I agree with you.
just for the sake "manvasanai" etc..bla bla...
athangra marame, porale ponnu thayee are all great ("folk") songs.

try to listen to pazani, baga pirivinai etc,
songs like "amadi ponnuku thanga masu" are any day better than br-ir combination songs.
From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Oct 30 15:41:47 EST 2000

pg,

oru thread arambinga. pichukkuttu pogum.-)

Trend
From: future course of action. (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Mon Oct 30 15:42:53 EST 2000

irfan1: can someone define music,
arrfan1: listen to arr, you will get what is music all about
irfan1:yes, thats why i am asking.arr sucks big in "manvasanai" song.
irfan2:why manvansanai, he sucks in songs,he is copier, lifter, etc.
msvfan:you guys dont know music, msv is the best, listen to old songs of his...
From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Oct 30 15:46:04 EST 2000

Fan,

I cannot agree more with you.

Guys,
I think it's time to move to the second base-Classical.

Trend
From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Oct 30 15:52:30 EST 2000

future course of action,

"arrfan1: listen to arr, you will get what is music all about "

I don't think any true ARR fan has such a arrogant opinion.We(ARR fans) think his music is not inferior in any way.

My previous posting was before reading your last posting.

Trend
From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Mon Oct 30 16:10:32 EST 2000

trend :))
hence we can assume, arrfan1 as irfan3 who is hiding in the name of arrfan1, porumA :)))
From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Oct 30 16:16:22 EST 2000

fan,

I'm sorry I didn't get your point.Is irfan1,arrfan2,irfan2,etc each referring to one of the people who posted here?

Could u elaborate?

Trend

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