Topic started by OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on Sun May 26 09:08:23 EDT 2002.
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Thaye Karumari!Pannari Amma!Malayala Bagathy!
Bombay Dreams mattum Uthikitta Unakku Kida vetti,Nakkula vel kuthi,pal kudam eduthu,paneerala Abishekam panren!
I request the Non-ARRfans to take this prarthanai and perform the ritual as mentioned instead of searching the web for
"Articles+Bombay Dreams+AR Rehmnan+AL Webber+Fail+Doom+Loss+bankrupt+flop".
Andava..Evangalukku nalla manasaum nalla buddhiyum koduppa!
Responses:
- From: curses (@ 203.199.248.192)
on: Sun May 26 09:12:19 EDT 2002
OISG..
Y r u posting this again??
i dont mean to offend u or nething, but have i read this before??
- From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152)
on: Sun May 26 09:17:21 EDT 2002
Not to be missed on a Sunday ,you know!Deiva kutram!
- From: curses (@ 203.199.248.192)
on: Sun May 26 09:22:03 EDT 2002
sirikaradha azharadha theriyalai!!
soakka vum irukku, reason vettiyaavum irrukku.
ps:
soakka stands for joke a not shirt!!
vetti stands for nothin to do.. not dhoti!!!
- From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.115)
on: Mon May 27 02:13:12 EDT 2002
OISG! Neengkala Ippadi?!
- From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152)
on: Mon May 27 03:38:31 EDT 2002
GR
It is just disgusting to note some posts like "Bombay NightMares" .Some people do really think a BD success would be their personal loss in their mudslinging mission against Rehman.The distinguishing line between HCIRF and HCARRH is almost non-existent these days.Their look out seems to be "Symphony is dead ..so BD should die"
I posted this as a rejoinder to them.
I do not know anything about musicals,ALW.But ARR seems to be sincere in whatever he does .Atleast for his efforts we all should pray for a BD success.
- From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.115)
on: Mon May 27 03:43:12 EDT 2002
oh! I didn't know ur intention. Otherwise I cudn't hv posted. Forget and leave the HCFs of IR and ARR.
- From: :-( (@ 128.107.253.40)
on: Mon May 27 04:11:06 EDT 2002
>>Symphony is dead ..so BD should die<<
This "symphony is dead" itself is the creation of the HCARRFs...Neither Raja nor the producers have talked anything about it...Now, u put it so matter-of-factly...
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210)
on: Mon May 27 04:39:39 EDT 2002
Symphony is dead ?
You better confirm with Subbudu .... :-)
NagaS
- From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152)
on: Mon May 27 05:31:33 EDT 2002
Nags
Symphony is a non-starter.There was this thread started by "Speaker" where in he has mentioned that RPH has clearly replied that they do not have any more information on IR s symphony.
Subbudu .. what he has up his sleeve to bring the Symphony to the masses?
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210)
on: Mon May 27 05:48:24 EDT 2002
OISG,
I didn't mean that - Looks like Subbudu heard the symphony ... there was an article in vikatan reg., that a few years back,
Bringing it to masses ? No way - I seriously doubt even Bombay Dreams will hit the mass - do you think they can sell more than 10000 copies of 'Bombay Dreams' or 'IR's Symphony' in tamilnadu if they release it as a cassette / CD ?
these things are only for 'hifi' people to talk about and be proud of their fav. MDs, For an average music listner in TN, 'Ennaith thaalaatta varuvaaLaa' or 'Senthurappoovee' has more weightage than 'Nothing But Wind' or 'How to Name It' ... same applies for ARR as well !
NOM for IR / ARR's talent - I am only talking about 'briging symphony kind of work to masses'
NagaS
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Mon May 27 06:25:38 EDT 2002
Nagas..congrats..cat is out of bag ..so "ennai thaalaatta varuvaaLo" carries more wt for you. Do I smell a rat here ? :-)
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210)
on: Mon May 27 06:34:59 EDT 2002
MS,
Read my post again ... i didn't mean I don't like NBW or HTNI ... infact I have the habit of giving these two albums as gift to all my non-tamil friends' birthdays ... just to introduce them about Raja's music ...
athu irukkattum ... is there anything wrong if I give more wt. to raja's movie songs than other kind of works ?
NagaS
- From: Pras (@ 193.56.241.19)
on: Mon May 27 06:57:41 EDT 2002
ihtu ennappa thread ithu ???
- From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.67)
on: Mon May 27 06:59:37 EDT 2002
OISG,
Please read the Q&A by John Scott below, who conducted Ilayaraja's symphony. He specifically mentions RPO who played for the recording.
http://webhome.idirect.com/~rlevy/current_question.html
I wanted to mention some other links as below, unfortunately these are not working/outdated.
www.rpofilimmusic.com
www.auracle.com/greenroom/ (recording studio)
- From: WN (@ 203.24.100.133)
on: Mon May 27 07:21:32 EDT 2002
"Their look out seems to be "Symphony is dead ..so BD should die""
Well said, OISG.
But since many disagree tat the symphony is dead, wud it be more appropriate to say tat the symphony is in coma?
- From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152)
on: Mon May 27 08:46:00 EDT 2002
Subbudu is just a Delhi Secretariat Thatha whose views are as old & archaic as the Governement circulars.He is a media created monster who just preys on the fears and nervousness of the musicians.A geriatric with strong likes,dislikes and favouritism ..qualities that seldom make a critic or a good reviewer.
I also read about KR s journey with the cassette.
He has heard the Symphony..He has always claimed that he gets to hear what a common man like you and me does not get to hear.So what s new????
Have you read his articles about MSV when IR was ruling??
As i had mentioned earlier (sorry for the repeat Magix!) he and Parthiban would make an ideal pair..shallow..thriving on sensationalising non-issues..etc..
Can someone really tell me what happened to IR s symphony?He all through his carrer gave a damn to criticisms.But why chose his monumental work to care about criticisms?
- From: vel (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Mon May 27 09:35:37 EDT 2002
OISG, good point..the fact is, when one criticizes his film music he has hardly reacted, probably because the 'investments of time/effort are slim' :-). (like chinnathambi's entire set of tunes in 45 odd minutes ..Mudhal Mariyaadhai in one single day...So the acceptance or rejection of the same might not matter to him...)
But with regards to HTNI or NBW etc, he will be more wary of criticism b'coz unless u knew WCM & CARNATIC equally well, u won't make a balanced critic...for instance, he brings out SIMMENDRAMADHYAMAM or MADHUVANTHI or SHANMUGAPRIYA hidden between a BACH/MOZART composition...Now a WCM expert/critic will not understand the gradual extrapolations of WCM phrases into hardcore carnatic tones...will he?
Similarily, when he releases 'Thirupugalzh in WCM background', he wud be very conscious abt how a guy with carnatic background will take to 'carnatic extrapolations into WCM platforms'...
So when he tries to bring out an amalgamation of two different worlds (WCM/Carnatic), he seems to worry a shade too much about criticisms..especially those that have missed his intended objective in its entirety...IMHO
- From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152)
on: Mon May 27 10:37:59 EDT 2002
Vel
When you try to bring in Shanmugapriya into Bach you end up with "Fusion" and not "Symphony".Lets accept the fact the WCM and Carnatic have their unique theory,rules,colour.(You get a Poongathave Thal thiravai once in a life time..otherwise fusions experiments are aboslute waste)
I bought a few CDs few months back called "Hooked to Classics" which has everything from Mozart to Tchakovisky with "Techno"beats.I felt cheated.I am a novice and an ordinary listener of WCM.Miles to go to understand the nuances but still i find the "Techn0" beats absolutely out of place.
You can think about real WCM critics and experts..
The Conductor of "hooked" might have had noble intentions but in the end no body is happy.
I still feel IR must have done much better than those "Hooked".Atleast the output should reach the public even if it is not accepted by the WCM critics as "Symphony".Look at Inane Yanni,churning out non-categorized music every year.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Mon May 27 15:05:16 EDT 2002
NagaS:
My post's context was not TFM. It was rather a personal dig :-)
(If us still are confounded, refer to the "lyrics" of both songs :-) ) (NOM
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210)
on: Tue May 28 00:44:04 EDT 2002
MS,
kavuththuteengaLee ... :-)
Escapeeeeeeeeeee ...
NagaS
- From: curses (@ 203.199.231.54)
on: Tue May 28 12:48:59 EDT 2002
Where words fail, music still communicates" [Source: TIME, June 2002]
Andrew Lloyd Webber will add a touch of spice to London's West End with the eagerly awaited musical Bombay Dreams.
When British musicals king Andrew Lloyd Webber and the great Bollywood film composer A.R. Rahman announced their plans for a stage musical two years ago, the Indian media went wild. Lloyd Webber had been captivated by Rahman's music, so he traveled to Bombay to meet the Asian master. If Rahman had been female and Lloyd Webber Indian and single, it could have been the perfect Bollywood film plot. A deal was struck, and Bombay Dreams, composed by Rahman and produced by Lloyd Webber and his Really Useful Group at a reported cost of $7 million, will open at London's Apollo Victoria theater on June 19.
Rahman, 36, may not be a household name to Westerners, but he is every bit as much a musical monarch as Lloyd Webber is, having sold well over 100 million CDs. A little perspective, folks: that's about the same as Madonna and Britney Spears combined. And he comes to a London seemingly besotted with Bollywood. In May Selfridges department store had a $1.69 million tribute to the genre, complete with visiting stars, movie-set replicas and Bollywood-inspired clothing. The British Film Institute meanwhile is running Imagine Asia, at eight months' duration England's largest Bollywood film festival ever. "Hindi cinema is incredibly popular here at the moment," says Cary Sawhney, the festival's director. "Since 1998 Hindi films have been regularly breaking into the British Top 10 — helped by the increasing frequency of English subtitles. Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham [Sometimes Happy, Sometimes Sad] got to No. 3 on the British film charts. It's happening in America too. Lagaan this year was the first Hindi film to be Oscar-nominated since 1958."
Ashutosh Gowariker, director of Lagaan (for which Rahman composed the music), agrees. "Western eyes are now looking to India as an emerging power, and that includes its cinema and music," he tells TIME. Music is central to Bollywood, with composers often given equal billing alongside directors and soundtracks released four months before the movie. But even without such exposure in London, Gowariker expects Rahman to succeed: "He is among the top five Indian composers of all time, and his range stretches across all forms, from folk to Western classical music. It touches everyone."
Bombay Dreams is a star-is-born tale of an actor from the slums who finds love, glamour and corruption in Bollywood. Lloyd Webber is selling it as something totally new, which London theater could certainly use. "The West End desperately needs new writers," he says, "yet it's all going on in Asia, where these film musicals get a huge audience. I hope that Rahman will be the sort of composer to make young people want to write for theater, because his rhythms and melodies are so exciting."
Giving TIME a sneak rehearsal tour, Lloyd Webber rushes around the production's South London offices dispensing advice and suggestions. "Producing someone else's work is a joy, and I can bring quite a bit to the party," he enthuses. In the main rehearsal room, around 40 casually clad actors are ready for daybreak in a Bombay slum. This, notes Lloyd Webber, is the show's opening: "You see the sunrise, Bombay slowly comes to life." The sequence is thrilling, with one man loudly selling chaya (tea), two women praying silently at a shrine, street sweepers, everywhere individual characters convincingly integrated into a complex society — all underscored by rich, insistent piano chords.
Really Useful's marketeers know that Britain's large population of South Asians are not known as theatergoers and are also notorious for booking at the last minute. To reach even the expected $1.4 million advance — modest for a big musical — the Really Useful team realize they will have to entice a white audience too.The show's scriptwriter Meera Syal, who starred in Britain's Asian-centric TV comedy hit Goodness Gracious Me, knows about crossover. After the series' vast popularity she famously remarked, "Brown is the new black." Can that sense of Asians as cool spread to this show? Syal is optimistic: "I think all audiences will get this."
Syal, born in Britain, may not work with an agenda, but Rahman is a man with a mission. In an era, he notes, when racial tensions are high, he feels a sense of purpose. "Every true musician's goal must be to bring spiritual harmony to the world," he says. "Where words fail, music still communicates. It's a blessing." For this reason, he wants his music to have universal appeal. "The chance to reach London is a dream come true." An advance listen to five tracks from the show reveals an intoxicating aural world. Agile melodies twist and turn to patently Indian rhythms, while mostly retaining the formulaic structure of Western musicals. "I've tried not to write West End," laughs Rahman, "but it's got to be accessible."
It will not just be London theatergoers who will hear these songs. Rahman's huge following back home will want the album (released in the U.K. in June and due in India by year's end). Lloyd Webber has an eye on New York and, if a suitable venue can be found or built, Bombay. First though, they must win over London. "It's the same feeling I had with Cats," he says of his 1981 hit, which finally closed in London May 11. "We all know we're doing something extremely unusual, and we won't know what we've got until we've seen it in front of an audience." Theatergoers, Bollywood fans and Rahman followers will be anxiously waiting to find out — and that's one heck of a lot of people.
BY JAMES INVERNE
btw.. aint i a stinker!! ;)
- From: sabesan (@ 170.35.240.203)
on: Tue May 28 13:49:47 EDT 2002
"Bollywood film composer"..... hmm... paavingallaaa.... why can't they say "INDIAN film composer ????? man, i hate this..... when will be INDIANS ? and when will we stop being BOLLYWOOD, KOLLYWOOD or anyother JUNKWOOD ?
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