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Keeravani get best MD award (National) for Annamayya. Why not "Guru"

Topic started by S.Suresh (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on Mon May 11 01:27:46 EDT 1998.
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Hi,

I was surprised to find that Keeravani has been awarded the best MD (National Awards). I was thinking all along that the best music to come out in 1997 was "Guru". Not b'cause I like IR but the music is very involved. Lot of effort has gone into it. I have heard the music of Annamayya and it is OK at best. Maybe the committe decided to give the award to some movie which has a classical base. BTW, Guru was also not given the best MD even when Kerala State announce the awards. Guru got some other awards in Kerala but not music. Any reactions.

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Responses:

• From: Viswa (@ webgate6.mot.com) on: Mon May 11 01:51:30 EDT 1998
  
  Suresh,
  The whole system of awards selection is driven by politics and influence in our country. In fact, we often find almost all films by a director or actor being nominated for awards, year after year, irrespective of whether the standard of the director's/actor's movies were good or not ! So, it's not surprising that this "lobby" factor that prevails in the jury here, has overlooked pieces of work like "Guru" for more influential nominees.
  
  
• From: M. Diwakar (@ j13.bkj31.jaring.my) on: Mon May 11 05:38:24 EDT 1998
  
  The awards committee normally uses its decision as a vehicle for letting people know that it is more knowledgeable and more perceptive about whatever it is giving awards for. That the awardee is deserving or otherwise is of no consequence.
  
  As it is said - A camel looks like a horse designed by a committee.
  
  
• From: Thomas (@ access-isdn1-13.oz.psu.edu) on: Mon May 11 10:31:07 EDT 1998
  
  Anyone have a list of who the other winners were nationally in music?
  
  
• From: krishnan (@ uswgco11.uswest.com) on: Mon May 11 10:54:02 EDT 1998
  
  Shocking to hear kiravani getting the award.
  
  
• From: bs (@ www1.access.bt.com) on: Mon May 11 15:16:15 EDT 1998
  
  Thomas:
  The following link has news about National awards:
  
  http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/may/09film.htm
  
  To summarize the important ones:
  
  Best film : ThaiSaheb (Kannada)
  
  Best Director : Jayaraj for Kaliyattam.. (MalayaLam)
  
  Best actor : SureshGopi (Kaliyattam) &
  (shared...) Balachandramenon (SamantharangaL)
  (MalayaLam)
  
  Best actress : RituparnaSengupta & Indrani Haldar
  (Dahan - BengaLi)
  
  Best male playback : Hariharan (Border - Hindi)
  
  Best female playback : Chitra (Virasat - Hindi)
  
  Best MD : MM KeeravaNi (Annamayya- Telugu)
  
  Best supporting actor: prakashraj (iruvar)
  
  Supporting actress : Karishma Kapoor (DTPH - Hindi)
  
  Cinematography: Santosh Sivan (Iruvar)
  
  Best film in TamiL : Terrorist
  
  It will be better if we dont discuss film-related stuff here..:-)))))
  It is happy to note that two of the leading stars in TFM -
  Hariharan & Chitra honoured by the Awards committee...
  
  A little digression, two of the songs in Kaliyattam were good to listen....
  
  Cheers,
  BS
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ bornfree.proxy.lucent.com) on: Mon May 11 17:17:33 EDT 1998
  
  What else to say but utterly shocked.This is all politically motivated.I consider GURU to be the best album of the decade.I have'nt heard Annamayya but I can guess, it should have been clasically driven.Even IR's awards are for clasically oriented movies(sindhu bhairavi and rudra veena).This is to say that the jury wants to protect or recognize Indian classical music.Infact KV.Mahadevan did'nt deserve a national award for "sankarabharanam" as it was just pure thyagarja kirtanias except for a couple of numbers.GURU contained some western classical pieces which are alien to our culture and it will not be duly recognized.This is our standard and IR was unlucky to have been born in India.
  Anand Mahadevan
  
  
• From: Thomas (@ access-isdn1-12.oz.psu.edu) on: Mon May 11 18:04:32 EDT 1998
  
  Oh wow Chithra won again??? That's 2 in a row!!!! And this makes national award #5 for her right???
  
  bs, thanks for the info
  
  
• From: Nithin (@ nc36.pr.mcs.net) on: Mon May 11 21:08:04 EDT 1998
  
  Friends
  
  I was more shocked even earlier that Kerala State has not awarded Illaiyaraja for GURU. It is not suprising Raja has missed National award every year since 1976 for movies like Kadaly Oviyam, Payanangal Mudiyvathilai, Idaya Koil or Uday Geetham, Meendum Kokila, Illamai Kolam, all creativtiy at its highest form and level with Indian classical music as the foundation.
  
  I don't understand why is there such a kind of bias to Illaiyaraja nationwide, is it because Illaiyaraja, whether he is given a Naitonal Award or Not, he is not going to care?
  
  But, ignoring GURU by the Keral Govt. is more shocking to me than his missing the national award, understandably for his stressing western classical music in those compositions.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-ti02.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon May 11 21:57:41 EDT 1998
  
  BS:
  
  Unga Kokki-ukku romba thanks.
  
  
• From: S.Suresh (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Mon May 11 23:36:47 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  Nithin, I agree with you. Kerala govt sidestepping Guru was more schoking than the national awards. I guess the best music of 1997 was in Guru. I have no doubt about it. This music is a combination of great melody with outstanding orchestration. I am sure people of Kerala are very proud that their movies are producing such incredible music. I can think of nothing in Tamil in the near past (including IR's) score which can come anywhere near Guru. Well IR may not care about it but it does makes us sad that an excellent score has been ignored.
  
  
• From: bs (@ www1.access.bt.com) on: Tue May 12 11:49:01 EDT 1998
  
  Bhasky:
  Kokki-thanksukku thanks...:-))))
  
  Suresh:
  Even though I admire the brilliant orchestration by IR especially in
  Minnaram manathu mazhavil udithachallo.. from GURU, we cant
  possibly decide that it deserves an award without knowing what are the
  other songs OR the preference of Keralites..
  As far as my knowledge is concerned MFM has predominantly Carnatic
  semi-classicals like vaNNathipuzhayuda theerathu.. from "kaLiyattam"
  and soft sentimental melodies like RathingaL poothali charthi..
  from "Ee-puzhayum-kadannu", with minimal level of orchestration.
  Also the popularity, picturisation & aptness of the song for the situation
  etc. count towards the awards... Unless & until we know the competition
  for GURU how we can ascertain which is the best song, album or MD?
  Ofcourse, I dont know which song or MD got the award from Kerala Govt..:-))
  Anybody has info on this???
  
  Cheers,
  BS
  
  
• From: Kr (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Wed May 13 00:33:18 EDT 1998
  
  Well, it again goes to show that there are a group of people (GV, Bharthirajaa, Maniratnam, K Balachander) who are working to see that IR does not get hsi due credit. I dont think it does by anyway affect IR becuse irrespective of these folks he continues to dazzle. But it irks fans like us. I just wish allthese IR haters bite dust and wish the worst for them.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Thu May 14 03:50:36 EDT 1998
  
  I guess you all know that M M Keeravani is the Marakatha Mani, who shot to fame with DEVA RAGAM. He did the score for that with a strong classical base, using Entharoma - Sri, Hindolam and Suddha Dhanyasi.....I was impressed with that and am not surprised at the award in Kerala going to him, as he's Malayali too. That is probably why IR didn't get it. Also, I heard that Annamaya is Totally Classical - I think they used Annamaya Kritis only, I'll have to find out.
  
  As Anand said, the songs are probably pure classical, with added fill-in music to make them sound lighter. IR's SindhuBairavhi was great as he used a Classical base, but the compositions were his own. I'll have to listen to the two tracks to see which deserved the award.....
  
  I have to get my hands on Guru, not being in the UK at the moment doesn't help. Is there an internet site with the songs?
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Thu May 14 09:44:42 EDT 1998
  
  geetha: Maragatha mani has been around for quite a few years. He was famous before dEvaragam. His biggest hit in Tamil is probably vanamE ellai. He scored a whole bunch of Kavithalaya movies. He was famous in Telugu before he enterd tamil filmdom. To the best of my knowledge he is from Andhra and not kerala. I don't think that he won the award in Kerala. But what you say might be true.. Earlier Kaalapani swept every Kerala state award except for music. So IR might have been ignored since he is not a Malayalee.
  
  
• From: Neels (@ ppp4-174.lvsb.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu May 14 13:44:48 EDT 1998
  
  Yes, Ravi. you are right, MMK is from Andhra and he's given some good songs in TFM earlier, starting with Azhagan, I guess, which has two of SPB's simple and well-rendered scores.. Mazhayum Neeye and Saadi Mallip Poocharame...
  Here's another trivia: Do you know Keeravani is Keeravani in Telugu, Maragatha Mani in Tamil and MM Kreem in Hindi? KREEM? What on earth is that? He scored some good numbers like Tu Mile (Criminal) and a couple of good melodies in the hard-hitting thriller Is Raat Ki Subah Nahin...
  
  Regarding Chitra's recent National Award, it is interesting to know that she got the award for the song Paayalen Chun Mun... from Viraasat, a note-to-note copy by Annu (Besharam) Malik from Thevar Magan's Inji Iduppazhaga, an IR composition for which Janaki won an award (1992)
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: venus (@ 155.13.48.14) on: Thu May 14 14:10:58 EDT 1998
  
  There is one more incident like this in the past.
  (may be 2 years ago). The national award went to
  a malayalam movie (bcos of a particular song).
  Do you know what song it is?
  
  It is just the lift of infamous "AASAI ATHIGAM VEECHU" - SJ song from Marupadium a BaluMahengra movie music by IR.
  
  A guy should be so matured to digest these type of
  incidents.
  
  
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Thu May 14 17:07:32 EDT 1998
  
  A seriously innocent question: Was Asa adhigam vechchu an infamous
  song? Please email me to avoid digressions . Thanks.
  
  
• From: venus (@ 12.los-angeles-07.ca.dial-access.att.net) on: Sun May 17 02:08:06 EDT 1998
  
  Sorry arul. I did not mean it to "notorious" or very bad or any of that sort. Just compared to other IR's songs (even in the same movie). That's
  all. May be sattrae ovp (onarchi vasap pattutane)
  
  If it hurts you. I take back my word "infamous" .
  "It is just the lift of "AASAI ATHIGAM VEECHU" - SJ song from Marupadium a BaluMahengra movie music by IR."
  
  
  
  

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