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Topic started by OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on Mon Apr 15 02:07:01 EDT 2002.
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Balachander: In present day mainstream productions music has taken away the credibility of cinema and the genuineness of the medium. Is music an inevitable evil in Indian cinema? Who is responsible for the extreme use and abuse of music?

This was KB s poser to Mani Ratnam -"THE HINDU"

Yes,KB " The Father of Drama in Indian cinema",the man who always needed quality composers like MSV IR ARR to sell his "Stage Dramas on Screen".

Now i understand what SENILITY means.Does Old age give one, a licence to imbecile utterances?

The man should have name his next venture as "Alpam" instead of "Album"

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Responses:

• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Mon Apr 15 03:01:03 EDT 2002
  
  I beg to differ.
  
  In K. Balachander's movies, music and songs always played a secondary role. Most of his movie songs actually accentuated the screenplay and played suppporting role rather than an active role.
  
  In fact, while other movies had four to five songs (then), his always had only three songs. Unless they were musicals.
  
  It is a fact that Tamil movies must move away from unnecessary song sequences in order to make a mark internationally and if any one can do it, it got to be a Mani Ratnam or a K Balachander.
  
  I can never accept that K Balachander needs quality composers for his movies. He has used many MDs from V Kumar, Vijaya Bhaskar and even Deva, with his individual trademark never being compromised.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Mon Apr 15 03:27:33 EDT 2002
  
  Gowri
  
  4-5 films with VK,one each with VB & deva 2 with Maragathamani Deva proves that he has reverted to saleable names more often.
  
  Calling music an inevitable evil shows his usual AGMARK perversion.
  
  1.Has he made any movie without songs?This he could have very well attempted with Thaneer Thaneer.He did not.Oru veedu iru vaasal had Ganesh & Kumaresh playing violin;their characters in that movie could have been just office boys or a Lift operator!Why the evil music and musicians?
  2.Has he ever attemped to "NEUTRALISE" the " ineveitable EVIL" in any manner all these years?
  
  Quality MDs - VB Is he not in your list?
  
  For Kalki he had Deva -why revert to ARR whom he complained about delaying during "Duet"Days?
  
  Thaguthikku meeriya pugazh thalaikerinal eppadithan.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Mon Apr 15 04:08:06 EDT 2002
  
  OISG,
  
  Your questions are VERY valid .... !!!
  
  One thing I noticed about KB movies, he gives equal importance to music and lyrics - any Lyricst seem to be doing their BEST when its a KB Movie - Vairamuthu (Many Movies), Vaalee (PP ArththangaL), Pulamaip piththan (Unnaal mudiyum thambi), ILandhevan (Kalki) etc.,
  
  BTW one digression, Do you know which MD introduced 'Kalki' Fame ILandhevan as a lyricst ? Karthik Raja in his debut movie, 'Enakkoru Magan PiRappaan' ... :-)
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Mon Apr 15 04:12:51 EDT 2002
  
  OISG
  Neenga romba unarchivasa padureenga. :)
  
  I am sure he didn't say that music is evil. After all he used background music to teh maximum in a number of movies. The climax of Aval Oru Thodarkathai, i.e. the last 5 to ten minutes had absolutely no dialogue.
  
  He probably meant the thinippu of songs for the sake of having them in Tamil movies. Maniratnam was reputed to have done Alai Paayuthe completely without any songs and only added the songs when told that the movie will fail commerically if there were no songs.
  
  If Maniratnam dare not make a movie without songs, what does it mean? Herein lies the "evil." :)
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.44) on: Mon Apr 15 04:23:57 EDT 2002
  
  NagaS,
  KR's debut was alexander (sentiment, again - panchu arunachalam introduced him as well )
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Mon Apr 15 04:31:56 EDT 2002
  
  Gowri
  
  If Maniratnam dare not make a movie without songs, what does it mean? Herein lies the "evil." :)
  
  Why can't one make a movie without songs? Wasn't kurudhipunal a very good attempt in recent times? Can't mani make such an attempt? Weren't any of his film having room for kurudhipunal kind of situation? NO. He had such movies. Then Why?
  
  coz, songs are not evil in Indian Films. They are part of Indian movies almost like story, screenplay etc.
  
  I think, Mani had even answered in such a tone(i.e. saying "Songs are important") in reply to that Balachander's question. He said something like songs are tool that could help us to have a relax mood and/or link to next sceen and/or replace many sequences into a 5 mins scene.
  
  OISG, unarchi vasappattadhil gnyaayam irukku aendRu thaan ninaikka thondRukiradhu.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Mon Apr 15 04:46:52 EDT 2002
  
  So Mani wanted to use that tool. At the sametime songs are also not indispensible which if mani had not thought of kurudhipunal wud have taught him(worst case, imho).
  
  Inevitable EVIL...uh? if balachander has told it just as a phrase or just to show the importance of lyrics then no problem. if he indeed want to have a dig at lyricists and/or MDs to show or trumpet his supremacy then i want to remind Mr. KB who in an interview(in DD, i think) had replied to a question in following way (terms may not be exactly the same but the meaning were):
  
  There was a situation in the film BHAMA VIJAYAM wherein i felt that a song could be useful. I wanted the song to be such that that i brushes up the story and happenings of the film till then and have suggestions and/or advice to the characters of the film's theme (lavishness is bad). I narrated my need to the kavingar (kaNNadaasan). I had to even show him a rush of the entire film shot till then so that the lyrics is so apt. The final output was as expected. The song had the story sofar + the advice in the jovial flavour, as like the movie. The song is varavu aettaNa saelavu paththaNa.
  
  He could have very well completed the movie without that song to get rid of that Evil and dispose off its inevitability status. Still he used the song. Why? Not because it is evil. But because he knew and knows that songs help.
  
  If KB, as i presume had stated in such a negative tone about songs then I just has to pity him.
  
  OISG's comments are very valid in such a situation.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.4.132) on: Mon Apr 15 05:20:18 EDT 2002
  
  KB could've termed abuse of music as evil..
  
  In that interview, there's one interesting answer that MR gave (when not asked about music, he inadvertantly drags the name of MDs, shows how much music is important for him):
  
  "IR comes with everything perfect and the players only need to execute while ARR comes with a sketch encouraging players to show their creativity...both are two extremes and I'm somewhere in between" (I'm not quoting with exact words, sorry)
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Mon Apr 15 05:43:56 EDT 2002
  
  S,
  
  Alexander was his first 'signed' movie, But first released was 'Enakkoru magan piRappaan', then 'MaNikkam', after these two Alexander came ..
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Mon Apr 15 06:55:20 EDT 2002
  
  I totally Diagree with OSIG..
  
  When MSV Was in Peak (in u'r words Saleable)
  He used V.Kumar
  
  When AVM Approached KB for Major Chandrakanth They Said MSV should be the MD
  
  Balachander said if V.Kumar is the Music Dir then I'll work otherwise I cant..
  
  Similarly when IR was in peak too HE used V.S.Narasimhan For Achamillai Achamillai,thanner thaneer,kalyana Agadhigal
  
  Also he worked with Top Music dirs like MSV,IR,ARR..
  
  but it is not that he works according to Trends..
  
  And as Gowri Prompted, in his Movies Story,Screenplay &characterization Plays the Major Role than Music
  @the same time the Music which he extracts from the Respective MD's Were of very good quality also adding flavour to the film..
  
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Mon Apr 15 07:24:44 EDT 2002
  
  raj,
  
  Major Chandrakanth was directed by Panju Krishnan, KB wrote the story, screenplay and dialogues only (Another such example - Server Sundaram),
  
  I don't think he would have been in a position to pick the MD of his movie during that time ...
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Mon Apr 15 07:28:11 EDT 2002
  
  If I Remember Correctly Maj.Chandrakanth is by KB
  Server sundaram,Neelavanam,Deivathai –Story,Screnplay by KB
  
  Ya he had the Choice of picking up the MD’s
  He achieved by using Vkumar in most of the films (including his Debut)
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.188.43) on: Mon Apr 15 08:07:41 EDT 2002
  
  My vote goes for KB too.
  
  That man is an institution. From the list above, it can be seen that he has used different MDs throughout his career. His movies do not depend on songs. But when he uses songs, he maximises them.
  
  Many of his songs convey the entire story in the movie, such as kelviyin naayagane in Aboorva Raagam, Iru manam konda in Avargal, Keladi kanmani in Puthu Puthu Arthangal, etc.
  
  Songs are a necessary evil in Tamil movies just like money is an evil in our everyday lives. :)
  
  Don't look at them as the Devil incarnate, it is just a figure of expression.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Mon Apr 15 08:16:08 EDT 2002
  
  raj,
  
  I am sure KB is NOT the director for major chandrakanth - I recently saw the movie ...
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Mon Apr 15 08:30:36 EDT 2002
  
  Don't look at them as the Devil incarnate, it is just a figure of expression
  
  ROTFL if it is just a figure of expression then its OK if it is not and he wanted to show he is supreme then OISG's points hold good.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Mon Apr 15 08:45:14 EDT 2002
  
  Poor KB!
  
  1.He wants attention despite his non-entity status today.
  2.He must have been upset with Rehman on financial terms and wants to settle scores.Last time he got upset with another MD;then introduced a rookie in Roja,and used a Deva in Annamalai.Successful ventures!But now times have changed!
  3.The City Janta which you used to patronise him have seen thru the facade , have fully understood his hollow dramas and deserted him.Retribution ..by making veiled statements..
  
  Dear KB
  
  "The writing is on the slate/Board for you"-your days are over.
  "You can switch off the lights" and there is none to switch them on back.
  "Like your visuals you are getting focused out"
  "The world is laughing at you like your heroines"
  
  
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Apr 15 09:06:43 EDT 2002
  
  Thaneer Thaneer, music was by MSV, no? (and not VSN as credited above.)
  
  

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