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List of Janaki Songs - Pre IlayaRaja Days List of Janaki Songs - Pre IlayaRaja Days

Topic started by Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on Wed Jul 30 21:19:54 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.

Responses:

From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Jul 30 21:29:45 EDT 1997

Nammaooru idhai list poda aarambikkuradhukku
munname naan idhai aarambichchudaren. I think
S. Janaki sang only a few songs in Thamizh before
IlayaRaja came into TFM. Most songs that she
sang in this Pre-IR period were great ones.
Here shall we make a list of these "old" Janaki
songs? To get started, here are a few that I
can recollect:

1. Singaara Velane - Konjum Salangai
2. Thookkam un kaNgalai thazhuvattume - A.Mani
3. Poojaikku vandha malare vaa - P.Kanikkai
All songs from Policekaaran Magal:
4. Indha mandraththil odi varum
5. Andondru ponaal vayadhondru pogum
6. Ponnenben siru poovenben

7. O O O maampazhaththu vaNdu - movie?
8. Varuvaan mogana roobanjanan - Ponnoonjal
9. humming in
Paadaatha paattellaam paada vandhaal
-Veera Thirumagan
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.8) on: Thu Jul 31 00:08:16 EDT 1997

jal jal jal enum salangai oli - paasam
kaatRukkenna vEli - avargaL (was it Pre-IR?)
kaNNilE enna uNdu - avaL oru thodarkathai
OhO enthan bEbi - thEn nilavu
kaalayum nIyE - thEn nilavu
pourNami nilavil - kannippeN
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Thu Jul 31 00:46:15 EDT 1997

kannan mananilayai - Theivathin theivam
kannan varum neramithu - nenjirukkum varai
kallathaname - veera abhimanyu
raathaiketra kannano - sumai thaangi
varusha maasam thEthi paathu - maniyosai
konja neram ennai maranthen - Sirththu vaazha vendum (what a song!)
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Thu Jul 31 01:33:42 EDT 1997

kunguma pottu kulunguthadi - ithu sathyam
azhagukkum malarukkum - nenjam marappathillai
kannile neeretharkku - policekaaran magal
pothigai malai uchiyile - thiruvilayaadal
aarumugamaana porul - kanthan karunai
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Jul 31 02:01:30 EDT 1997

Aravind:
Avargal came in 1977, a year after Annakkili.
So let's leave "kaatrukkenna veli" out. (Just
for mentioning, the movie has another nice
Janaki song: IppadiyOr thaalaattu paadavaa)

More:
1. Koondhalile ney thadavi - Kalyaana oorvalam
2. Chinnanjiriya vannap paravai - Kungumam
3. Azhagukku marupeyar pennaa - Annamitta Kai
4. unnidaththil ennai koduththen - A.Or Manam
5. Sollaththaan ninaikkiren
6. Then sindhudhe vaanam - P.Thanga Manasu
7. Poongodiye poongodiye - School Master
8. Ulagam, azhagu kalaigalin surangam - U.Su.Vaa
9. Anandham indru aanandham - Idhaya Veenai
10. Endhan paruvaththin kelvikku - Su.Thaangi
(BTW "O O O Maampazhaththu vandu" is also
from Su.Thaangi)
11. Chiththirame solladi (V.Adai)
From: ravi (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Thu Jul 31 07:24:07 EDT 1997

There is one more song in Sollaththa ninaikkiren - it goes like sweet sixteen ...
Malarae kurinji malarae - Dr Siva (is it pre-IR?)
From: Thenraja Kaliappan (@ 167.193.67.47) on: Thu Jul 31 08:29:23 EDT 1997

Sollaththa ninaikkiren - it goes like sweet sixteen - is by VANI J

1. SJ sings 'kaalathai vendravan nee' with PS in Adimai Pen (KVM)
2. 'neela niram vaanumkkum kadalukkum neela niram' with PBS in 'En Annan'(MSV)
3. 'paruvam mutri pazhagum pothu uruvam mattum maaruthe' with Yesudas in Panam Thantha Parisu
From: Jimmy Thevara (@ 128.227.80.32) on: Thu Jul 31 17:02:54 EDT 1997

I can give you something else on SJ. The days before she came to sing for IR, she was ruling the roost in the Mallu filmi scene. In fact she has got nearly 5 Kerala State awards for Mallu songs. Then people like Chitra,Sujatha came on the scene and SJ had to return to Tamil.
From: ARvind (@ 204.245.93.102) on: Fri Aug 1 09:02:20 EDT 1997

One great song with tms in Arunagirinathar
Aada vendum mayile -- TMS, SJ Arunagirinaathar
From: Kanchana (@ ww-td42.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Aug 1 10:57:52 EDT 1997

Some more songs:

"Pandhal inrundhaal kodi padarum" with TMS from Pandha Paasam
"Modhiram potadhum kaadhalan kaigalil" from Annaiyum Pidhaavum
From: Ramki (@ ucc221.lab.cc.wmich.edu) on: Thu Aug 28 15:53:11 EDT 1997

More to the list

thennangeetru koondhalile -with PBS in 'paadhai
theriyudhu paar'
Anbaale thediya en arivu selvam thangam-Deiva piravi(with TLoganathan)
en annai seidha paavam naan mannil vandhadhu-sumaithangi
paaduvenadi endrum paaduvenadi-with PSUseela in
sollathan ninaikkiren
kuliradikkidhe kitta vaaa - dhikku theriyadha kattil with SPB,LREswari
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Aug 28 20:00:01 EDT 1997

Ramki:

Welcome back to the forum.
One more singer in "kuLiradikkudhE.." is ML Srikanth.
From: Pags (@ pkrishna-pc.cisco.com) on: Thu Aug 28 21:08:51 EDT 1997

Ramki:

anbaalE thEdiya.. sung by C.S.Jayaraman & SJ
From: Pags (@ pkrishna-pc.cisco.com) on: Thu Aug 28 21:13:20 EDT 1997

Another good SJ song (with TMS):

kaathalin pon veethiyil kaathalan paN paadinaan.. (pookkaari)
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ liberty.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Sep 2 02:13:10 EDT 1997

I started compiling a list of Pre-IR Era Jaanaki
songs, and formed some notes:

1. SJ probably started singing in Tamil Films in
1960. One of the following is probably her
first:
thennangkeetru koondhalilE (P.T.Paar)
anbaalE thEdiya (Dheivap PiRavi)
Does anyone know if she sang a song in
Paavai ViLakku?

2. It's very clear that director Sridhar was the
one who gave so many chances to SJ in her
early years, then followed by MGR and then
K Balachander. Most of these songs was with
MSV/TKR or MSV as MDs.

3. SJ seems to have had a great year in 1962, but
for some reason, only a few here and there after that!

Can anyone tell me if she was the lady voice in the
following songs:

angE varuvadhu yaarO - Netru Indru Naalai
vaarEn vazhi kaaththiruppEn - Uzaikkum Karangal?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-td62.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Sep 2 10:02:00 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi:
Is it SJ with CSJ in "Kutraala aruviyilae kuLichadhu poal irukkumaa" from Paavai ViLakku?

"Angae varuvadhu yaaroa" is SJ.

Watched "Madhuraiyai Meetta Sundara Pandiyan" last week for the first time. "Thendralil aadum koondhalil kandaen mazhai thandha maegam" & "Amudha thamizhil ezhudhum kavidhai"--is it SJ? (It may not be pre-IR era though)
From: Kanchana (@ ww-td62.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Sep 2 10:07:49 EDT 1997

My mistake--"Kutraala aruviyilae" was sung by Seerkazhi not CSJ.
From: Ramki (@ ucc243.lab.cc.wmich.edu) on: Tue Sep 2 12:12:16 EDT 1997

Kanchana 'Madhurai.......pandiyan'songs paadiyadhu
Vani Jairam.
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ liberty.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Sep 2 20:33:48 EDT 1997

Kanchana:

I don't think "kutraala aruviyilE" is from
P.ViLakku. Two songs from P.ViLakku that I
know are: "naNNa Thamizh peNNoruththi" and
"kaaviyamaa".
From: Thenraja Kaliappan (@ atl-ga10-22.ix.netcom.com) on: Tue Sep 2 21:50:53 EDT 1997

Sathya Keerthi
vaarEn vazhi kaaththiruppEn - Uzaikkum Karangal? is by TK Kala
"kutraala aruviyilE" is probably in Akka Thangai??
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Tue Sep 2 23:51:55 EDT 1997

SJ sang 'OhO enthan daarling' and 'kaalaiyum nIyE' from thEnilavu. Her pronounciation of 'daarling' is so effortless and lovely. It was again a Sridhar movie. Was it in 1960?

After Sathiya Keerthi's observation, I too think that Sridhar had a special liking for SJ. thEnilavu, avaLukkenRu oru manam (unnidaththil), iLamai Unjal, naanum oru thozilaaLi, thenRalE ennaith thodu and even his last (??) thanthuvittEn ennai had songs by SJ.
From: Pags (@ batboy.cisco.com) on: Wed Sep 3 00:14:10 EDT 1997

Sathya keerthi, Thenraaja & Kanchana

kutRaala.. is from paNamaa paasama. Seergaazhi gave his voice for Muthuraaman in this song.
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ liberty.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Sep 3 02:48:10 EDT 1997

Pags:

Panamaa Pasamaa doesn't have Muthuraman. I think you
are talking about some other movie.

Aravind:
You forgot about Policekaaran MagaL, Sumaithaangi,
Nenjam Marappadhillai, Vennira Adai, and Nenjirukkum Varai.
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ liberty.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Sep 3 02:57:36 EDT 1997

Pags:

Panamaa Pasamaa doesn't have Muthuraman. I think you
are talking about some other movie.

Aravind:
You forgot about Policekaaran MagaL, Sumaithaangi,
Nenjam Marappadhillai, Vennira Adai, and Nenjirukkum Varai.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ti02.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Sep 3 09:10:03 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi:
I was wrong. I think the "Pavai ViLakku" song I was trying to recall was "Aayiram kann poaddhaadhu vannakiLiyae Kutraala azhagai naam kaannbadharkku vannakiLiyae".

Pags:
The Kutralalm song you are thinking about sung by Seerkazhi for Muthuraman is "Kutravala malayilae kudhithu vandha Thamizhilae vatraadha paerazhagae nee vaazhga". The movie is "Uyiraa Maanamaa".
So, which movie is the other Kutralam song by Seerkazhi is from?

Aravind:
I think Sridhar (unless Sivaji/MGR were involved) tried to move away from TMS, and to some extent PS. Some of Sridhar's movies were THE romance movies of yester-years and his judgment might have been to use PBS/AMR/SJ for a softer, sentimental touch (I endorse his judgment).
From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Wed Sep 3 13:59:42 EDT 1997

Kanchana:

I think Sridhar was right in choosing SJ for some of his soft songs. But talking about his judgement I cannot help recalling a couple of instances in which his judgement failed him.

1. He rejected Hemamalini for not being photogenic enough.
2. He rejected the story of 'Pudhiya Paravai"(by Dada Mirazi) as it was not appealing enough. (Dada Mirazi ended up directing the film himself and you know the rest).

Till today I wonder what made Sridhar to reject a story like Pudhiya Paravai.
From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Wed Sep 3 14:04:54 EDT 1997

Ramki and Sathya Keerthi:

thennankeetru koondhalilae (P T paar) - is it not thennankeetru oonjalilae?

Also did we list konja neram ennai marandhen (TMS & SJ) from siriththu vazha vendum?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ty02.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Sep 3 14:08:53 EDT 1997

Ravy:
I endorsed only his voice selections. I wasn't aware of the above tidbits. Reject Pudhiya Paravai??!!!!! Too bad for Sridhar! Wonder how Sridhar's execution of that movie would have been?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ty02.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Sep 3 14:12:59 EDT 1997

What are the actual words to the P.T.Paar PBS/SJ "Thennangeetru....."? Bones wrote in another thread that it was written by Jayaganthan, and it is one of the PBS favorites for at least two of us here. Anyone who knows the lyrics, could you please put down at least the complete pallavi? Thank you.
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Sep 3 20:15:11 EDT 1997

Or, is it "thennankeetru sOlaiyilE"?

Ravy & Kanchana:

I think the reason why Sridhar probably rejected
Pudhiya Paravai was that the story was a copy from
some English movie. (I remember seeing a copy
of the same storyline in a TV-movie, sometime
in 1982 or so on CBS, in which Shivaji's character
was done by that actor who acts as BJ Honeycut
in MASH. In the titles they mentioned that the
story was borrowed from some OLD English movie;
I have forgotten the names of both these movies.
While on this topic, I cannot resist digressing to
mention that both "Kuzhandhaiyum Dheivamum" and
"Shanthi Nilayam" stories are "dubbaa" copies of
two OLD Hollywood movies! I have seen both these
movies on American TV, but I don't remember the
titles. I should mention that in all these cases
the Tamil versions were much better than their
English originals!)
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Wed Sep 3 21:54:50 EDT 1997

Shanthi nilayam <- Sound of music

Definitely S.O.Music is the better version, IMO.
From: Pags (@ waterboy.cisco.com) on: Wed Sep 3 22:46:38 EDT 1997

Sathya Keerthi

You are correct about paathai theriyudhu paar song. It is "thennagkeetRu sOlaiyilE.."
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Sep 3 23:28:48 EDT 1997

Rajaraman:

Sound of Music's story is VERY FAR from that of
Shanthi Nilayam. I am talking about a much older
Hollywood movie (1950's) from which Shanthi Nilayam
has been copied "ditto" except for some Indianization
here and there. Oh yes, certainly SOMusic is
a great movie!
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Thu Sep 4 02:18:11 EDT 1997

I am not sure whether 'puthiya paravai' was based on a Hollywood movie. But it was certainly based on 'Chasing the Crooked Shadow', a Hitchcock novel. Was there a movie by that title?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tk02.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Sep 4 08:55:57 EDT 1997

Pudhiya Paravai's story was based on Hitchcock's story mentioned by Aravind, just as Kalangarai ViLakkam was based on Hitchcock's Vertigo.

Kuzhandhaiyum Deivamum is an adaptation of the movie Parent Trap (changes made to suit the Indian culture of yesterday--the American movie had divorced parents & the Dad is engaged to a younger woman of his choice.) IMO, the Thamizh version is better than the Hollywood version.

Shanti Nilayam takes the fun stuff from Sound of Music & the serious stuff from Bronte's Jane Eyre novel (my favorite book during high school years .)

Sathiya Keerthi:
Did you read my previous note above re all the Kutraalam songs, including the real Paavai ViLakku CSJ Kytraalam song?
From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Thu Sep 4 09:18:34 EDT 1997

My mother tells me that Shanthi nilayam resembles Jane Eyre to a certain extent.
From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Thu Sep 4 09:19:47 EDT 1997

Oops, Kanchana's posting wasn't there when I started out.:-)
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Sep 4 20:19:22 EDT 1997

Kanchana:

Yes. I saw your postings on Kutraalam songs.
Now, is there a lady voice humming in "aayiram
kaN pOdhaadhu" (or other songs of P.Vilakku)?
and, if so, is it by SJanaki?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tc66.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Sep 5 09:10:06 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi:
There is a lady voice humming in "Vanna Thamizh PeNN oruthi". Remember the "ah..ah..ah..ah, oh---oh--oh" before the line "azhagai ellaam avaL mugathil kandaen" para start. It sounds like Janaki, but I'll watch my Paavai ViLakku video for credits this weekend, and confirm it.
From: Ramki (@ ucc216.lab.cc.wmich.edu) on: Fri Sep 5 11:26:43 EDT 1997

Kanachana i think its by Jamuna Rani
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ta06.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Sep 7 18:45:18 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi:
I think Aravind is right. I watched Paavai ViLakku this weekend to answer your question, unfortunately my video does not have full credits. The entire movie has songs by PS, CSJ and Jamuna Rani (nee sirithaal naan sirippaen singaara kannae), and none by Janaki. We should be safe in assuming the humming is by Jamunarani.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ta06.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Sep 7 18:49:20 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi:
I think Ramki is right. My Paavai Vilakku video starts from the middle of the credits, so I couldn't get a list of the singers from there. However, since all the songs are by CSJ, PS(3), and Jamunarani (nee sirithaal naan sirippaen) and none by Janaki, it's safe to assume the humming in "Vanna Thamizh" is by Jamunarani too.
From: Test (@ ww-ta06.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Sep 7 18:51:02 EDT 1997

POST
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Sun Sep 7 20:10:17 EDT 1997

I heard the following song on Malaysian Radio:
(SJ with PBS) inba ellai kaaNum nEram
from the movie, Ivan AvanEthaan. The
movie was released in 1960. It could be that
this was SJ's first song!

Kanchana:
Perhaps the humming is by LRE?
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Mon Sep 8 04:15:09 EDT 1997

Today I heard another oldie by PBS & SJ:
malarOdu viLayaadum thendralE vaaraay
from the movie, Dheiva Balam (1959).
This is the earliest Thamizh film song by
SJ that I know of. I felt that SJ has sung
this song wonderfully well. Another thing I thought
was amazing: her voice of 1959 sounds like
her current voice! A constant voice for about 40 years?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tb61.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Sep 8 09:35:20 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi:
When was Paadhai Theriyudhu Paar released? I've never seen the movie, haven't been able to get the video so far, and am very, very curious about that PBS/SJ duet.
SJ does have an amazing voice which has stood the test of time well.
The Paavai Vilakku humming stays a mystery: LRE's humming in the later songs(Pavala kodiyilae, kallelaam) has always been higher-pitched than this PV song. The hum seems too "light & airy" to be Jamunarani's, but it could be. The Vanna Thamizh Penn Oruthi humming is one of the best "hums" in TFM since it blends so well with the instruments in the background, and with CSJ's voice in the tail end. (Thank you--because of your question, I got to watch & enjoy Pavai Vilakku once more. All of CSJ's songs are great--wonder who wrote the lyrics?)
From: Ramki (@ ucc245.lab.cc.wmich.edu) on: Mon Sep 8 13:28:19 EDT 1997

Have we done a listing on JamunaRanis songs??
From: Kanchana (@ ww-te62.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Sep 8 19:06:35 EDT 1997

Ramki:
Th the best of my knowledge we have not. If you start a thread, I'm game to participate.
From: Sathya (@ ppp-10.ts-2.hp.idt.net) on: Mon Sep 8 22:44:12 EDT 1997

Paavai vilakku(1960)
The singers CSJ,PS,SulamangalamRajalakshmi,LRE.
Humming in vaNNath thamiz peNNoruththi is LRE.(not SJ)
nI siriththaal naan sirippEn(happy&pathos versions)by S.Rajalakshmi.not Jamunarani.
Lyrics:Maruthakasi.

kuththaalam aruviyilE kulichchathu pOl irukkuthaa
manasai mayakkuthaa:S.Govindarajan,P.Leela.
Film:Nallavan vaazvaan.MGR movie.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ti42.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Sep 9 08:56:52 EDT 1997

Sathya:
Thank you for the stats. LRE's humming is great in the Pavai ViLakku song.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ti22.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Sep 9 11:32:10 EDT 1997

Sathya:
UngaLukku "Paadhai Theriyudhu Paar" padathai patri details theriyumaa? enakku andha padathil varugira PBS/SJ "Thennangeetru soalayilae" paattu romba pidikkum. Sathyakumar adhu Jayakandhan ezhudhiya pattu'nnu sonnaar. paattin picturization ennavenru ungalukku theriyumaa? Thank you.
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Sep 9 20:30:51 EDT 1997

Kanchana:

Paadhai Theriyudhu Paar came in 1960. Since college
days I have been longing to see this movie,
just to see how thennankeetru oonjalilE was
picturized, but unable to see it anywhere.
BTW, I got hold of a CD two days back which
had this song and malarOdu viLayaadum
thendralE vaaraay (Ah, what a wonderful
song!). I immediately jotted down the lyrics
of both songs for putting in PPP in our first
update, next week. For you I will give you a
temporary url for thennankeetru oonjalilE:
http://www.cadcam.nus.sg/~mpessk/thennan.html
(Of course, you will need Murasu Anjal to see this.)
From: Kanchana (@ ww-te65.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Sep 10 10:02:42 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi:
Thank you very much for the trouble you took. My server denied me access to that URL. Naan neenga adhai PPP-yil poadum poadhu paarkiraen--paravaayillai. Ithanai varusham kaathirundhadharku innum konjam naaL anaal enna.

Naanum ungalai maadhiri indha paattai anubavithu rasichavaLthaan. mudhalilae paattai kaettadhu 5 vayasilae'nnu gnaabagam (it had just finished raining, Mother was humming along with the radio.) Later when I was capable of analyzing feelings, I realized this song evokes powerful feelings in a very subtle way (neenga innoru thread'ilae azhagaa ezhudhiyirundheengalae!) Ever since then, I've been curious about this song, its picturization and the movie itself.

I've searched in the U.S. for this movie's video, and am going to start searching in India next. Neenga Singapore'ilae padam paathaal nichayamaa picturization patri ezhudhungaL.
From: Sathya (@ ppp-16.ts-3.hp.idt.net) on: Wed Sep 10 11:27:23 EDT 1997

Kanchana:
intha Pathai Theriyuthu Paar padam paarkka namakkum rom....ba varuta aasainga.Naanum 25 varushamaa pazaiya padangaL statistics collect paNNi varukiREn.Inthap padam paaththiya vivaram kitaikkavillai.Jayakanthan,Pattukkottai ellaam paattu ezuthuna padam.AthanaalE samUka karuththu,pattaaLi......ippadai irukka vaayppirukku.ithellaam oru guess workthaan.nadikarkaL yaarunnu kUta theriyalai.inthap padam videovil kitaippathu siramamthaan.Producer eppavO mElE poy sErnthiruppaar.padam videovil vara niRaiya problem irukkum.
sila paadalkaLai paarkkaamalE iruppathu nallathu.uthaaraNam onRu mattum:"mathuraiyil paRantha mIn kodiyai"paattu manasil ninRa paadal.Vaaliyin aRputha kavithai athu.anthap padam Poovaa thalaiyaa paarkkaamalE irunthirukkalaam.anthak kavithai varikaLai padaththil paarththu romba nonthu pOchchu.The worst ever picturisation entra postingil nichchayam athai sErkkaNum.
"thennankIRRu" paadalai naam kEttu rasippathu kadaisi varai athaRku manathil oru aziyaatha,puriyaatha anubavaththai tharum.
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ liberty.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Sep 10 20:21:51 EDT 1997

Kanchana:

ennudaya mistake. permission kodukka marandhuttEn.
Now you can see the lyrics at the link I gave
earlier.
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Thu Sep 11 00:37:31 EDT 1997

My mother has seen Paathai theriyuthu paar. Romba
vague-aana memory-ilirunthu recollect panni(varushangal aachu illayaa) sonnathu:
Hero: Vijayan (later became director)
Heroine: L. Vijayalakshmi
MD: M.B. Srinivasan

Intha padathil matra paadalgal ungalukku
therichirukkum.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ta04.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Sep 11 11:01:05 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi, Sathya, Rajaraman:
Thanks for the information; we're getting somewhere now. Sathiya Keerthi, I downloaded the Murasu Anjal, but AOL/ Murasu Anjal interface is proving to be an issue--I need to learn a bit more.

Sathya:
Personal question if you don't mind: ungaLukku eppadi indha pazhaya padangal stats collect pannra interest vandhadhu? engae, eppoa thodangiyadhu? konjam ungaLai patri sollungaLaen--iruppadhu India'vilaa?
I am genuinely interested, because I don't find people like you (and Sathiya Keerthi & Sathiyakumar) who have a genuine passion for old songs these days. I wish I could meet all of you.
From: ramki (@ ucc207.lab.cc.wmich.edu) on: Thu Sep 11 14:45:42 EDT 1997

Rajaram i can recollect only the 'chinna chinna
mookithiyaam'song from paadhai theriyudhu paar.
Were there any other good songs??
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Sep 11 19:45:08 EDT 1997

Rajaraman:

Ammavukku andha padam patri vERu Edhaavadhu
njaabagam irukkaa? Like: what is the storyline?
How is thennankeetru oonjalilE is
picturized ? etc. I heard that the movie was
produced with Russian collaboration. Is it
true? As another item, I would be interested in
knowing about other songs in that movie; in
fact, I would like to know about all movies
and songs for which MBSrinivasan is the composer.
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Sep 11 20:57:38 EDT 1997

Kanchana:

Murasu-Anjal load pannuvadhil problem irukkaa?
Ennavendru sollungaLEn. Let me see if I can help.
So, you haven't seen the lyrics yet? Here it is:

PBS:

thennankeetru oonjalilE, thendralil neendhidum OlaiyilE
chittukkuruvi aaduthu than pettai thUnaiyai thEduthu (SJ: oohum)
chittu ...
SJ:
aa ... (humming)
PBS:
aa ... (humming)

SJ:
neelakkadal, Olamittu, engirundhO koovuthu
adhuvE paadi nadaththudhu
kadal alaiyil kalakka thudikkudhu
PBS:
thennankeetru ... etc.

PBS:
thennankeetru ... etc. (a second time)

SJ:
neela mEgam, Ezhu vaNNa, aadaiyOdulaavudhu
vaanai boomi azhaikkudhu
thoduvaanil iraNdum kalakkudhu
PBS:
thennankeetru ... etc.
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Thu Sep 11 21:54:47 EDT 1997

Ada.. intha slllllllow motion paattukku
ivlo rasigargalaa..!!

Innoru paattu: maasil veenayum. Sakasranaamam, L.V ivargal padathil paaduvaangalaam.

Unfortunately my mother is unable to recollect
any other info now. Gyabagam vanthathum
ezhutharen.

Sathiya keerthi

MB srinivasan patri oru thread start pannungal.
Athil thuli thuli thuli(puthu vellam)
pondra paadalgalai patri discuss pannuvom.
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Fri Sep 12 01:02:56 EDT 1997

I forgot to mention:

azhutha kanner oasi theerumaa is the
song No.4 from P.T.paar.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tk02.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Sep 12 17:24:47 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi:
20+ varusha aasaiyai niraivaetri vaithavarukku eppadi nandri solradhunnu theriyavillai............

A big, inadequate Thank You to you :-))

Now we just need to look for people who remember the picturization.....................
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Sep 12 20:59:42 EDT 1997

Rajaraman:

Indha sllllow motion paattukku ivvalavu rasigargaLaa
endru indha paattai patri romba saadhaaraNamaa
sollitteenga? Netru veettukku pOi iravu vaaNdugaL
thoongiya pin paattai kEttEn. Ahaa enna paattu!
Andha PBS-SJ humming evvaLavu beautiful-aaga irukku!
Paattai kEttaal thennanthOppukkuL nuzhaindhu
andha neendhum Olaiyil aadidum chittukkuruviyai nErE paarththa feeling-E vandhuduchchu.
I am very sure that there are
innumerable fans out there who LOVE this
song.
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Fri Sep 12 23:38:08 EDT 1997

Sathiya keerthi:

I said it only for fun...

Actually I use to like this song. But intha
ceylon radio-la athai thiruppi thiruppi
pottu bore adikka vachuttaanga..

It's a very different song. I'm sure many
will love it.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-td64.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Sep 13 13:34:24 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi:
What a coincidence! We did something similar--we went to the beach in the late evening, our vaandu was playing, and I got a chance to hum & enjoy the song once more, thanks to you! (andha humming, Sjyin "oohum" & neela kadal para ellaam saerndhadhan effect'ai vaarthaigalaal solradhu kashtam--naan innoru thread'ilae solli parthaen, mudiyavillai),You & I seem to have gone thru life appreciating similar songs in TFM -- must be because we belong to the same generation?! The other explanation is that we are twins separated at birth like in those MGR movies --just joking!

To all the knowledgeable folks like Sathya, Sathiya Keerthi, Rajaraman, Ramki:
Does Theodore S. Baskaran's "An Eye of the Serpent: A History of Thamizh movies" cover Pathai Theriyudhu Paar? I read in a book review somewhere (where?!) that this book contains synoptic accounts of about 30-40 movies starting from the silent movies of the early years to the recent years. Has anyone of you read this book? Opinions?
(apologize for the digression, but I'm trying to see how to dig up more info on the "Thennankeetru" song.)
From: Ramki (@ b213.bernhard.wmich.edu) on: Sun Sep 14 12:29:54 EDT 1997

Since we are talking abt our fav old songs. I like to list some of my fav old songs here(though it
deviates from the main topic i hope u guys wont object)

polladha ponsirippu podhum podhum un sirippu(penne nee vazhga-like 'paadhai theriyudhu paar'im not aware anything abt this film other than this song)

ponnanne vazhve mannagi ponaal(town bus-when this song was dubbed to malay language it gained a lot of Malay fans)

anbil malarndhanae roja(kanavanae kankanda deivam-what a soothing song)

Nenjukku nimmadhi aanadavan annidhi (???-meaningful song)

Neeyum naanum ondru oru nilaiyil parthal indru(Another mystery song-till today i am not aware of the details of this film)

Annaiyin madiyil thodangiya vazhkkai mannin madiyil mudigindradhu(a great song by TMS but again the details of the film are not known)

If this deviation doesnt bother u ppl then i may continue further
From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Sun Sep 14 14:36:09 EDT 1997

Ramki: Looks like an appropriate posting for the sugamaana sOga paadalgaL thread. :)
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Sun Sep 14 22:15:15 EDT 1997

Rajaraman:
Ceylon-TV naan kEttu romba naaL aayiduchchu! Can
you pick it here at Singai? Enna frequency? Ingu
vandhadhilirundhu FM 100.*-il varum Malaysian
channel-il niraya pazhaya paadalgaL kEtka mudindhadhu;
reNdu vaarama, andha channel-um gone! Enna
aachchu andha station-ukku? Any idea?

NOV:
Andha Malaysian radio patri therinjaa sollunga
please!

(ennai ungal udan prappaaga uyarththiya
thangai) Kanchana:

This malarOdu viLayaadum thendralE vaaraay
(PBS-SJ) from Dheiva Balam has been
haunting me the past week that I have become
curious to know full details about this song
also. My wife, Geetha says there is one more
PBS-SJ duet in that movie, but she doesn't
remember details. Do you have some info on this? I
have this feeling that MBS is the MD for Dheiva
Balam also.

Two more SJ oldies (solos):

1. pidiththa manadhai silai seydhEn
from Muradan Muththu (this movie was
shown on Malaysian TV last week-end)
2. azhagaaga, kaNNukku azhagaaga
from Adhi Parasakthi
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Mon Sep 15 00:48:11 EDT 1997

Ramki

If it's 1/2 songs, we can discuss under this
topic itself. Since you seem to have a more
songs, it's better you start a new thread
like "Wonderful but Mysterious songs" : )
From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Mon Sep 15 09:03:50 EDT 1997

This song is from Sabaash Meena - KaNa inbam kanindhadheno. I had heard about this song from my uncle but got to watch it only about 10 years ago. If I can recall it right, this is how the scene goes..

Sivaji and Ratna(? one movie heroine) would be walking in the rain with one umbrella struggling to keep themselves dry but a gusty wind would rip the umbrella apart and shedding all their inhibitions about the rain they start singing this one. Sivaji at one point of time singing and rolling over the ground with gay abandon. Excellent picturisation (inspite of being B & W) and a beautifully tuned song to go with.

I still remember whenever it rains my uncle used to tease my aunt quoting this song. 'varayaa jolliya "kaaNa inbam" paadittae oru walk poyittu varalam'

Does anyone know what Raagam is this one?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tk22.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Sep 15 15:26:43 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi:
I vaguely remember malaroadu viLayaadum thendralae vaaraay first line, but what is the second line? Is that by Gantasala or am I mixing it up with some other song? Geetha (aNNi?) may be right--I'm checking with my other sources like parents/uncles to see what we can come up with on Dheiva Balam and P.T.Paar.

Ravy:
I have never seen Sabash Meena. Is kaNaa inbam by Gantasala & PS? (P.S. Your uncle and aunt sound like a fun-loving couple.)
From: Thenraja Kaliappan (@ 167.193.67.47) on: Mon Sep 15 16:16:55 EDT 1997

Kanchana:
kaNaa inbam is by T.A. Mothi with PS
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Mon Sep 15 20:31:09 EDT 1997

Ravy:

Edhukku indha kaaNaa inbam kanindhadhEnO paattai
patri sonneenga endru theriyavillai, but I am
glad you described this lovely song. This is one
of those songs repeatedly shown on SUN TV, but
I love watching it every time. The long humming
by TA Modhi is wonderful! Although chiththiram
pEsudhadi is the 'more popular' song from
the movie, I think this song is a better one.
Who is the MD? TG Lingappaa?

Kanchana:
The pallavi of malarOdu ...:

malarOdu viLayaadum thendralE vaaraay
than vasam izhandha, uLLam kuLira, inbamE thaaraay
mana-mayakkamE theeraay

It is by PBS-SJ. PBS's voice looks ordinary, but
SJ's voice and attractive singing has raised the
song greatly. If, indeed this was her first released
movie song, then SJ is amazing!
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Tue Sep 16 02:45:17 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi

Yes. sabaash mInaa is by TGLingappa. He was the judge in one of the episodes of Bajaj Sapthaswarangal conducted by AVRamanan on SunTV.

I saw this movie around 12 years back in a dabbaa theatre in Coimbatore. This happens to be one of my father's favourite movies and hence he wanted us (me and my sis) to see this. When this song appeared, many guys walked out of the theatre for 'hitting dham'.
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Tue Sep 16 03:46:39 EDT 1997

I am really sorry that I missed such a wonderful discussion forum! Verrrrry interesting.
Thenankeetru unjaliley is indeed a beautiful song - slow, lazy and caressing. Will I incur everyone's wrath if I were to compare this song with the new "Malarey mounama" another lazy song?
In fact Malaroadu vilayaadum thendraley is another eg. of a slow-paced song. Maybe we should start a list of such songs (!!!)
Satya Keerthi - The Malaysian Radio is okay in KL - I don't know what went wrong with the reception in S'pore. Could it be because of the haze???
From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Tue Sep 16 08:15:23 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi: Oops! I should have posted this under Beautiful picturisation thread. I saw Ramki's posting about 'mysterious songs' and posted about this one. It is not 'mysterious song' anymore. Thanks.

Kanchana: In fact only my uncle is very fun loving and always joking. My aunt is the regular target of his teasings. You might have seen him at IITM. His name Rangarajan (tall, slim 6'+). He retired as Asst. Registrar from the Admin Dept. Or his elder brother Sowrirajan who retired as Technical Officer from Elec. Engg. dept.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ti22.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Sep 16 10:24:40 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi:
Yes, I remember the song well now! PBS's voice sounds different in that song (softer, more nasal?) that I thought it was Gantasala or some one else. I do like PBS's rendition of that song.

Thenraja:
Thank you for the info. Haven't seen you around the forum for a long time....

Ravy:
Yes, I think I've met your uncle who likes to have fun. I haven't met your other uncle since I was in Chem.E.

NOV:
I enjoy singing along with the malarae song because it is one of those rare songs today where you can actually understand the words! However, IMO it doesn't come close to "thennangeetru" in the feelings it can evoke (for me). I might be biased since I grew up with the "thennangeetru" song. (I think the associations from the earlier stages of our lives leave a very strong imprint in our minds, and music is no exception.)

Coming back to the thread's original topic, did SJ sing with PS in the female version of androru naaL idhae nilavil avar irundhaar en arugae or is it LRE?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tp02.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Sep 16 15:07:06 EDT 1997

Did we include oru marathil kudiyirukkum paravai irandu with TMS? Movie unknown.
From: Ramki (@ cs513.cs.wmich.edu) on: Tue Sep 16 15:44:08 EDT 1997

Pls pls can anyone solve some of thos 'mysterious'
songs i listed?
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Sep 16 20:11:01 EDT 1997

oru maraththil kudiyirukkum is from
Enga Paappaa (naan pOttaal theriyum
pOdu (TMS) and pudhu veedu vandha nEram
ponnaana nEram (TMS-PS) are the other good
songs in that movie starring R'chandran-Bharathi).
The song you've mentioned has two versions: by
MSR first, and then again, by TMS&Anjali. I don't
think it is SJ.
From: Thenraja Kaliappan (@ 167.193.67.47) on: Wed Sep 17 09:47:58 EDT 1997

Kanchana:
Thanks. Lack of time at home(16 month old taking all) and recently introduced restrictions at Work place on the use of Internet would give me only a limited time to access this forum. But I will be around here whwnever possible.
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Thu Sep 18 04:38:40 EDT 1997

Ramki-ku uthavikaram neeta yaarum illeiyaa?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ti42.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Sep 18 08:55:40 EDT 1997

One more SJ song:
maeLathai mella thattu mama un thaaLam enna saridhaanaa from Idhayakamalam.

(A heretical thought crossed my mind yesterday when I was listening to Meenda Swargam songs: I wonder how kalaiyae en vaazhkayin dhisai maatrinaai would have been if it was SJ instead of PS with AMR?)
From: Ramki (@ ucc240.lab.cc.wmich.edu) on: Thu Sep 18 14:31:18 EDT 1997

Kanchana there is one PLeela song in 'meenda sorgam'(a bharatanatyam song i suppose).If
u have the cassette can u pls write the first line.

Btw who was the MD for Meenda sorgam??Was it
Sudarsanam??I love the other songs from this film
like 'mana naatiya medaiyil' and 'thuyiladha penn ondru kandaen'(Rajas voice was really delicious)
From: Kanchana (@ ww-to01.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Sep 18 14:53:50 EDT 1997

Ramki:
M.D. for Meenda Swargam is T.Chalapathi Rao. This movie is a great favorite with my parents who are Sridhar fans, so I know something about it. The Naatyam song you are thinking about is aadum aruL jyothi by Seerkazhi and M.L.Vasanthakumari. That's a beautiful song, my favorite part of that song is the stanza which starts with Seerkazhi's word by word rendition of raagam--baavam--thaaLam with nattuvaangam in between, and MLV's repetition of those lines in tune as raagam baavam thaaLam saerndha baradha kalai. Along with thuyilaadha Raja's voice is great in kalayae en vaazhkayin dhisai maatrinaai (If you like these, how about Raja in kaalayum neeyae maalayum neeyae in Thaen Nilavu? Or, Kantasala in thaesulaavuthae from ManaaLanae Mangayin Bhagiyam?)
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ liberty.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Sep 18 20:34:20 EDT 1997

Kanchana & Ramki:

Sridhar seems to have switched around to many MDs
in his early carreer: AM Raja, Chalapathi Rao,
MSV/TKR. En ippadi? (Ramki: AMR/MSV ladaai
patri munnar neenga sonneenga; ippO details
kodukka mudiyumaa? If you think it's a digression,
send me an e-mail.)
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Thu Sep 18 21:37:15 EDT 1997

Ramki
I'm sure you know the film for "Nenjukku nimmadhi
aandavan sannidhi"
From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Fri Sep 19 08:10:33 EDT 1997

Kanchana:

If you are familiar with 'maNalanae mangaiyin baagiyam' how about this one 'AzhaikkadhE, ninaikkadhE' by PS?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-to01.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Sep 19 09:32:41 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi & Ramki:
If you both don't mind sharing thar interesting Sridhar story here, could you do that here please? Or, can you copy me on the e-mail (Ramki has my address)? enakum kadhai kaetka aasaiyaga irukkiradhu.

Sathiya Keerthi:
Sridhar appadi MD maatriyadhai patri ungaL theory enna? ungaLukkum Sridhar romba pidicha director poal therigiradhae?

Ravy:
I've never seen MMB -- namma pirakaradhukku munnaalae vandha movie enru ninaikiraen. thaesulaavudhae and neenga sonna PS paattu mattumthaan theriyum. I like thaesulaavudhae a lot for Kantasala's voice and the "gamagam" throughout the entire rendition and the humming.

(Sathiya Keerthi, unga thread'lae romba digress pannugiroamaa? pazhaiya paattai patri paesa thodanginal nirutharadhu romba kashtama irukkae!)
From: Ramki (@ ucc246.lab.cc.wmich.edu) on: Fri Sep 19 14:13:52 EDT 1997

Since majority of us(!!)are interested in AMR-MSV ladai let me repeat it again.

Warning*.This is a lengthy article and if u r not interested pls skip it:)

(Idhai sonnavar ennoda maama who was working with
KBalachander in AGS and has acted in many of his
dramas like irukodugal(My uncle did Geminis role with Sowkar and Chandrakantha) ,edhirneechal etc)

Coming to the story:

When MSV entered the field AMR was already popular
among TFM rasigargal. AMR nalla isai jnanam ullavar. So V-R combinationil avar paadum pozhudhu
niraiya suggestions koduppar. Konjam head weight konda MSVkku idhu pidikkamal irundhadhu.
Director Sridhar 'kalyaana parisu'thodanguvadharkku mun niraiya padangalukku(edhirpaaradhadhu,deiva piravi etc)vasanakartha and udhavi directoraaga irundhar. Ivar song recording pona podhu AMRoda
music knowledge parthu bhramithu poi 'kalyana parisu'thodangum podhu avaraiye MD aaga pottuvittar. KP paadalgal super hit. Idhanaal AMRaavukku niraiya chance vara aarambithadhu. MSV didnt expect a competion from him but seeing
the varaverpu for AMR he got scared. Appodhu
film industriyil powerfulaaga irundha MGR and Sivajiyin udhaviyai vaithu kondu AMRkku varavendiya chance ellam ivar thatti chella AMR paavam paaduvadharkku kooda chance illamal thindaadinaar. Muktha Srinivasan(He is my dhoorathu periappa)'aadiperukku'edutha podhu
AMRai book panninar. But indha padathukkappuram
MSV ivarodu work panna mattenedru marukka MUktha
romba thindadivittar.'aadiperukku'aduthu ivar
edutha padam 'vazhkkai vazhvadherkke'idharkkaga
MSVai book panninar.MSV accept pannivittu but
music panne delay seiyya the film was delayed for
almost 6 months.

So MSV was the man behind AMRs downfall.
From: Ramki (@ ucc246.lab.cc.wmich.edu) on: Fri Sep 19 14:22:59 EDT 1997

Rajaram nenjukku nimmadhi song is from a Bharathi,Ravichandran movie..aana enne padam theriyadhu

Kanchana-'kaalaiyum neeye 'is a real masterpiece.
what abt 'varuven naan unadhu maaligaiyin vaasalukke'(malliga), 'unnai kandu naan vaada'(KP) ??Another digression(sathya mannipparaga)-Basically i didnt like Meenda sorgam.The film was too artficial especially towards the end. It could have been interesting had sridhar given more importance to
'bharatanatyam'aspect of the film rather than
padminis oru thalai kaadhal .Anyway Sridhar had
a good music taste and almost all his films had
good songs.

Sathya ,somewhere in early 80s Sridhar made a film with Sivaji ,Anuradha, Jayabharathi etc etc.(if im not wrong the film is 'mohana punnagai').Do u know
who was the MD for this??The film had a good solo
by TMS'kalyanamam kacheriyaam poonoonjalam poomalaiyam jo jo jongiri cho'
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Sep 19 22:00:38 EDT 1997

To Everyone:

I certainly don't mind the digression(s). See, these
are things for which separate threads cannot be
started. (Appappa yaaraachchum SJanaki patriya
pazhaya thagavalkaLaiyum ezhuthungO!)

Ramki:

Thanks for the info. From what you say, MSV seems
to have made some agressive moves in those days. But
I thought Muktha Srinivasan and MSV had an excellent
relationship throughout their careers. (Muktha
was the one faithfully giving chances to MSV
even in the 80's when MSV was fading away!)

It appears that AMR was a very tough customer to
work with. So the irritation he gave to MSV while
singing under him is understandable. We will be
posting an article (don't worry, it is in English)
by N.Krishnaswamy, in PPP, when we update it
next week. This article is titled: AMR: The
melody maker who would not compromise.

In the interview of Kalki (see the separate thread)
IR has said that a musician may fail to succeed
even if he is extremely talented; perhaps he
had AMR in his mind when he said this!
Whatever may be the reason, it was A BIG LOSS for
TFM that AMR did not get to score music for many
more movies. K.Parisu, Thenilavu and Adipeukku
had wonderful music. Did AMR score music for
any other movies?

It is also sad that AMR died tragically after an
accidental fall from a moving train several years ago!
From: Sathya (@ ppp-11.ts-1.hp.idt.net) on: Fri Sep 19 23:19:38 EDT 1997

Ramki
nenjukku nimmathi aaNdavan sannithi-Naanku killadikaL;Modern theatres movie.Jaysankar,Barathi.
There is another popular song in this film
sevvaanaththil oru natchaththiram
athu siriththathu enaip paarththu

Kanchana:
the movie you mentioned is Mohanap punnakai.
MD:MSV
another song in that film
thalaivi thalaivi enai nIraattum aanantha aruvi

Janakiyin pazaiya paadalkaL patri pinnar solkiRen
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tj61.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Sep 20 11:09:25 EDT 1997

Ramki:

Thx for sharing the story--losing AMR to industry politics was our loss as the audience for melodious music. kalayae en vaazhkayin, kaalayum neeyae, nilavum malarum paadudhu etc. are just a few examples.

I don't like Meenda Swargam movie either, I think it's too slow and too contrived. I saw the movie in the U.S. because I absolutely love the songs. (But my parents like the movie a lot--must be a generation gap here.) One correction: I don't think it is oru thalai kaadhal from Padmini's character; both are in love, but Gemini's character marries someone else since he wants her to be devoted to her baradha kalai (noble sentiments, I guess), but in the end his wife dies and he gets together with the heroine anyway. Hope I'm recalling this right.

Wasn't AMR the MD for a 70's movie, with the AMR-Jikki duet muthaaramae un oodal ennavoa?

Sathya:
I like that chevvaanathil oru nakshathiram song very much, but have not seen the movie. Paattin picturization enna?

naan kalai kovil padamum paarthadhillai. adhil varum thanga radham vandhadhu paattum enakku pidikkum. ungaLukku picturization theriyumaa?
From: Ramki (@ pm134-21.dialip.mich.net) on: Sat Sep 20 12:35:38 EDT 1997

Im not sure abt 'meenda sorgam'either. I saw this film abt 15 yrs back so my memory may not be that good. Like your parents even mine love this pic (Padmini was(is)my moms favorite)

I think Shankar Ganesh is the MD for 'mutharamae
un oodal ennavo'song.

When i was in Madras last month i happened to see
'chevvanathil oru natchathiram'song in one of those satellite tvs. The picturisation was terrible(but we cant expect anything more those days)

Does anyone know abt the picturisation of 'varuven naan unadhu maaligaiyin vaasalukke,aeno avarasamae ennai azhaikkum vaanulagae'from Malliga?(My mom says the song is for a college drama but she wasnt sure)
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tj65.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Sep 22 16:25:23 EDT 1997

Ramki mentioned this SJ song in another thread: en annai seidha paavam from Sumaithangi.
From: Sathya (@ ppp-8.ts-1.hp.idt.net) on: Wed Sep 24 10:32:26 EDT 1997

Kanchana:

Kalaikoyil padam patri kEttinga.Sridharin innoru sOkak kaaviyam.IyakkunargaLil munnOdiyaaka Sridharai kuRippida vENdum.thiraikkathai amaippilum,kaatchiyamaippukaLilum puthumaiyaip pukuththiyavar.puthumukangkaLai athikam aRimukam seythavar.Sridharin team iLamaiyin thuLLal,uRchakaththudan irukkum.V.aadaiyil nadiththa Jayalalithavukku,A.oruvan,(MGR productions)Thaaykkuth thalaimakan -Devarin padam(simultaneous aaka nadiththathu)iraNdilum nadippathu siramamaakavE irunthathu.antha alavu thirai ulaka banthaakkaL.(ithu oru kiLaik kathai).
Sridharin padangkaL patri niraiya sollalaam.Sridharukku sOka kathaikaL,kaatchikalin mEl alaathip piriyam uNdu.K.Parisu,Sumai thaangi,Kalaikoyil....

Kalaikoyil mellisai mannarin thayaarippu entru ninaivu.padu thOlviyadaintha padam.muzukka isaik kalaignan patriya kathai.S.V.Subbiah aRputha vENai vidvan.Muthuraman oru anaathai.nalla isai gnanam .avanai Subbiah oru isai mEthaiyaaka,thanakku vaarisaaka uruvaakki ,than makaLaiyum(Chandrakantha-ninaivirukkirathaa)thirumanam seythu vaikkiRaar.padaththil iraNdu paadalkaL C.kanthavudan

naan unnai chErntha selvam
thanga ratham vanthathu vIthiyilE-Balamurali Krishnavin muthal thiraippaadal ithu.

paadalkaL,padam muzukka olikkum vENai Chittibabu.

dEviyar iruvar murukanukku(padam paarkkaathavargaL entha situationai kaRpanai seythiruppaargal?)inthap paadal naattiyakkaari Saroja(Rajshri)paaduvathu.padaththil inthap paattaip paarththu sOkamaaki vittathu.Rajshrikka inthap paadal enRu?

innoru paadal

vara vENdum oru pozuthu-nI
varaamal irunthaal sukam theriyaathu.
yaaru! namma L.R.Esvari paattuthaan!
oru hotelil paadum paadal.

inthap padaththil athikam oliparappaakaatha paadal

muLLil roja kaLLurum roja
kai padaatha roja
kaNmaNi saroja
Rajshri vIttil paadum paadal.PBS,LRE.PBS humming is great!enakku mikavum pidiththa paadalkaLil onRu.

Muthuraman veenaiyai maRanthu,SarojavE kathiyaakak kidanthu....Subbiah iRakka...... pinnaNiyil Chittibabu veeNaiyil pizinthu urukki viduvaar.
anthak kaalaththil sOkap padankaL veRRiyadainthana.ithu En thOlvi enRu theriyavillai.May be Sridhar failed in his selection of the artistes,especially Chandrakantha and Rajshri.
From: Thenraja Kaliappan (@ ttwe70.doas.state.ga.us) on: Wed Sep 24 11:50:37 EDT 1997

Sathya:
Though I have not seen 'kalaikovil', I heard the story partially. 'muLLil roja kaLLurum roja' is a favourite of mune too. I have read long back that this movie was produced by MSV and Art director Ganga.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tb65.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Sep 24 12:01:56 EDT 1997

Sathya:
neengaL munnar solli irundheengalae--sila paattukaLukku picturization theriyaamal irukkiradhae mael enru--adhu evvalavu unmai! deviyar iruvar muruganukku situation sounds terrible.
Chandrakanthavai "Pandha Pasam" padathil Sivaji manaiviyaaga paartha gnabagam.
From: Ramki (@ csi13.cs.wmich.edu) on: Wed Sep 24 13:22:30 EDT 1997

I think Chandrakantha was a talented artiste.
But she lacked the beauty and grace of other heroines. She gave a good performance in idhu sathyam
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Sep 24 21:27:04 EDT 1997

One related tit-bit: Sridhar was making
KalaiKoyil and Kadhalikka Neramillai
around the same time. Since MSV had been requesting
Sridhar to take him as the producer for one of his
ventures, Sridhar gave the choice to MSV to decide
which one he wants to be the producer. MSV chose
KalaiKoyil. But Sridhar told MSV that he
expected Kadhalikka Neramillai to be a
better hit (he didn't say he expected the other
to be a flop) and that MSV would be better off
producing K.N. But, for some reason, MSV
chose K.K and ended up losing a lot from it.
Perhaps he was attracted to K.K because it
was a story concerning music artistes! In general,
MSV has always faced terrible luck as a producer.
(Recently, his son produced Senthamizh Paattu
(great music jointly with IR), which was produced
by director Vasu (hot at that time), and it flopped!)
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Wed Sep 24 21:45:02 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi

Saw 'senthamizh paattu' recently on SunTV. Had to see that movie just to stay awake and watch the Highlights of the Pakistani Massacare at Toronto.

It deserved a flop. padamaa athu? The movie was as cheap and third-rated as chinna thambi. PVasu has real perverted cheap ideas. inthak kEvalamaana padaththukku ippadi oru paattu thEvaiyaa?
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Sep 25 02:11:51 EDT 1997

I fully agree with Aravind about Senthamizh Paattu.
For those who haven't seen the movie and want
to see it because it has good songs:
FORGET IT.
But, somehow Chinna Thambi became a big hit.
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Thu Sep 25 02:19:52 EDT 1997

Ammadiyo!
Annaachikku aavesam vanthiruchingadaa!!
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Sep 26 03:05:50 EDT 1997

Here is the article on AMRaja that I mentioned:

http://www.iti.gov.sg/staff/kanagasa/tfm/ppp/amraja.html

It's in English.
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Sun Sep 28 23:45:39 EDT 1997

Yesterday I bought a pre-recorded cassette of songs
by an old-time male singer. (We have not mentioned
this singer till now in this thread.) I found 4 of his
duets with SJanaki: (These are nice tunes, but,
for some reason, have not become popular)

1. iLaya kanniyin azhagiya vadhanam malarndhadhu evvidhamO
from Abalai Anjugam (1959)

2. padikkap padikka nenjil inikkum paruvam endra kaaviyam
from Rathnapuri ILavarasi (1960)

3. kaatchiyum needhaan kaRpanaiyum needhaan
kaNNilE pugundhu karuththinilE viLaiyaadum
from Ennai Paar (1961)

4. ethirkoNdu vaRavERkkuthE iyaRkkai nam kaadhalai
from Ennai Paar (1961)

Quiz: Guess who that male singer is!
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Mon Sep 29 01:13:22 EDT 1997

T.R. Mahalingam
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Mon Sep 29 02:41:52 EDT 1997

Rajaraman:

On the dot! eppadi kaNdu pidichcheenga? Indha 4
paadalil ondru munnamE theriyumaa?
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Mon Sep 29 03:48:02 EDT 1997

I have seen one of Ennai Paar songs
on DD sometime ago. Also knew Abalai anjugam
had TR.Mahals in it.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tk42.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Sep 30 12:41:33 EDT 1997

One TMS/SJ song I heard yesterday. Don't know if it is pre-Ilayaraja:
vaaraen...vazhi paarthiruppaen
vandhaal.....unai paarthiruppaen
andhi mayangura naerathilae
aathangarai oarathilae
athai magal ????? kaathiruppaen
The movie is Uzhaikkum KarangaL starring MGR & Latha.
From: Thenraja Kaliappan (@ ttwe70.doas.state.ga.us) on: Tue Sep 30 14:39:04 EDT 1997

Kanchana:
'vaaraen...vazhi paarthiruppaen' is sung by T.K.Kala not SJ
From: Ramki (@ csi17.cs.wmich.edu) on: Tue Sep 30 15:22:31 EDT 1997

The song is from `uzhaikkum karangal`
From: Mrs. Edwin (@ 202.184.239.44) on: Thu Oct 16 23:40:34 EDT 1997

Hi Sir,
I would like to have the lyrics of MS. Janaki, Susela, TMN, & any other old songs. I like to print all the song that you listed above, I tell you "I LOVE IT" not only me my family too. so could you pls help.

T'Q
bye see you again with my request.OOKK
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Oct 17 00:19:43 EDT 1997

Mrs Edwin:

You can get the lyrics of many old TFM songs from
PPP (Pazhaya PadapPaadalgaL Pakkam). If you
are using windows, you can even get the lyrics
printed in Tamil. The url for PPP:
http://www-anw.cs.umass.edu/~ravi/ppp/
From: saradamanoj (@ ) on: Sun May 6 05:27:43 EDT 2001

where can i contact mr.a.v.ramanan and mrs.uma ramanan

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