Home   Forum   Wiki   Notes   Register   FAQ   Sitemap   About Us   Contact Us  

Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.

Note: You may want to refer to the list of raga based film songs before posting a query.

Visit our Indian Classical Music Forum in the Forumhub for discussions on Indian Classical Music.

---

Responses:

• Old responses
  
• From: sthanu (@ erlang.ecse.rpi.edu) on: Fri Jul 21 13:33:45 EDT 2000
  
  Thanks Venkatramvasi and vidhya. After you have told me the raaga it seems to fit perfectly.
  Another question. Is "paadi parantha kili" from Kizhakku vaasal in keeravani
  
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Fri Jul 21 22:47:45 EDT 2000
  
  'thogai ilamayil' is not a pure Hamsadhwani. Usage of D1 gives sarasangi feeling at some places.
  
  
• From: venkatramvasi (@ 203.199.224.33) on: Sat Jul 22 01:11:36 EDT 2000
  
  Hi sthanu! S! U R right!
  Hi RR ! tnx for the info.
  
  
• From: silkfort (@ 203.199.220.136) on: Sat Jul 22 03:35:25 EDT 2000
  
  i think "sriranga ranganathinin" is not pure hamsadhwani. The saranams are. But the pallavai doesnot quite gel.
  
  Coming back to Hamsanandhi and Vasantha, has anyone heard of a raga called Sunadha vinodhini? Somebody mentioned, "kalaiyum neeyae malayum Neeyae " from thaen nilavu is not hamsanandhi but sunandh vinodhini.
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Sat Jul 22 08:38:51 EDT 2000
  
  'kaalayum neeye' is Basanth.
  
  Sunadha vinodhini is: S G3 M2 D2 N3 (hamsanandhi minus R1)
  
  
• From: venkatramvasi (@ 203.199.224.33) on: Sat Jul 22 12:39:51 EDT 2000
  
  Hi silkfort!(pattukkottai?!)
  tnx for the info about the srirenga song.
  Kulalum yazhum is in Hamsanandhi also Bhavana guru.
  
  
  
  
• From: sivanathan (@ compaqproxy2.brunet.bn) on: Sat Jul 22 13:10:25 EDT 2000
  
  Dear friends, I am just getting to know about carnatic music.I would appreciate much if you all could give me some tamil cinema songs equivalent to 72 melakarthas. Thanks.
  
  
• From: DR.S.KANNAN(SK) (@ 61.1.207.220) on: Sun Jul 23 16:38:29 EDT 2000
  
  Hallo Sivanathan,it is very difficult to mention all 72 melakarthas and songs set in them.but I can
  vouch for IR's usage of melakartha ragas in his
  composing as the maximum.I'll just enumerate a few
  of them.
  1.Kanakangi-'Moham ennum theeyil enmanam-Sindhubairavi.
  2.Ganamurthy(3rd melakartha)- BGM in unnal mudiyum
  thambi
  3.Thodi(8th) - Gangaikkarai mannanadi- varusham 16
  4.Dhenuka(9th)- En soga kadhyai kelu..Thooral ninnu pochu & Maane thenei kattikkadi..-Udaya geetham
  5.Natakapriya(10th)- nenche gurunathanin-Mohamull
  6.Vakulabaranam(14th)-1.Aazhum kadal aazhamillei..
  - Mudal vasantham.,2.Nethu rathiri..yamma..-sakala
  kalavallavan.3.Kinnathil then vadithu ennathil
  neendukiren- from 'Ilamai oonjaladukirathu.& so on
  7.Mayamalava gowlai(15)- 'Sondhamillai. bandhamillai paduthu oru paravai-Annakkili and more.(A separate list will be required to post!
  8.Chakkaravagam(16)- 'Nee padhi nan padhi kanne-
  from Keladi kanmani, 2.Chalakku chalakku selai..
  from Sembaruthi and more.
  9.Nata bairavi(20th)-1.Aakaya vennilave..tharai
  meedu vanthatheno-Arangerum velai;2.Isai medaiyil
  ..from Ilamai kolangal; 3.'Maniye manikkuyile..
  from Nadodi thenral. and more!
  10)Keeravani(21)- 1.'Katril enthan geetham-Johnny
  2.Keeravani- padum paravaikal;3.'paadi parantha kili pada maranthathdi poomaane-Kilakku vasal
  4.Povoma. oorkolam.. -chinnathambi and so on..
  11)Karaharapriya(22)- 1.Mamanukku kadal manasu..-
  netrikkan;2.Unnai vazhtha vanden.'- Unnai vazhthi
  padukiren;3.'Thanaa.vandha santhaname..-Ooru vittu
  ooru vandhu;4.Poomalarnthidum pon magale..-Tic tic
  12)Gowrimanohari(23)-'Muthamizh kaviye Varuga-Dharmathin thalaivan;2.'Solai poovil padum thenral
  -Vellai roja. 3.Konji konji alaikal oda-Veera;
  4.Kannaa..varuvaya..- Manathil uruthy vendum., etc
  I hope I had bored u enough- I will continue later
  Dr.S.KANNAN
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Sun Jul 23 22:48:47 EDT 2000
  
  Hari Govindan has compiled another list of IR's melakarta's:
  
  http://www.raajangahm.com/raagas.html
  
  
• From: meena (@ ppp14795.on.bellglobal.com) on: Mon Jul 24 11:50:34 EDT 2000
  
  hi,
  i want to add this song from the movie "jodi"
  singer:hariharan
  music directer:A.R.Rahman
  
  
• From: meena (@ ppp14795.on.bellglobal.com) on: Mon Jul 24 11:54:01 EDT 2000
  
  song: oru poiyavathu sol kanne (sad)
  singer:hariharan
  music directer: A.R.Rahman
  movie: jodi
  actors: prasanth, simran
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.123) on: Mon Jul 24 14:18:59 EDT 2000
  
  Dr.Kannan,
  Is there a big deifference between chakravaagam and malayamarutham? I thought and heard that 'oomai nenjin sontham' from manithanin marupakkam and 'nee padhi naan padhi' from keladi kanmani were from malayamaarutham.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon Jul 24 18:11:14 EDT 2000
  
  malayamArutham is a janyam of chakravaakam ( 16 th mELakarthaa)
  
  S R1 G3 P D2 N2 S | S N2 D2 P G3 R1 S
  
  chakravAkam
  
  | S R1 G3 M1 P D2 N2 S | S N2 D2 P M1 G3 R1 S
  
  (Taken from list of ragams)
  
  oomai nenjinil sondham is pure malayamaarutham. In nee paathi naan paathi the swarams go:
  
  neepaathi naan paathi
  |M M M GP MG GS RN SR---
  
  The characterisitc M of chakravaakam comes in the very beginning. To my knowledge this song is pure chakravaakam.
  
  Others may need to confirm.
  
  I just got reminded of a song "dheivangaL kaNpaarththathu" sung by mano and composed by IR. I could remember the pallavi only. It seems to be set in "dhEsh". This is the movie in which jeyachitra after becoming "pEriLAmpeN" acted as the heroine ! Can somebody confirm ?
  
  
• From: DR.S.KANNAN (@ 61.1.207.239) on: Mon Jul 24 19:15:55 EDT 2000
  
  Hallo, MS is right.The song 'oomai nenchin sontham
  sung by KJ is definitely MALAYAMARUTHAM'- You can add this song- 'VAADAIKKATRU.. LA.LA.LA.'from KOZHI KOOVUDHU- Mlayamarudha. BUT THE SONG 'Nee padhi- naan padhi' fromKeladikanmani is
  set in Chakravagam- you can compare these songs
  set in chakravagam- (non-IR) 1.Vidu kathaya indha
  varthai.." - muthu-ARR.2.'Ullathil nalla ullam..
  from Karnan- msv-sirkazhi. 3.Panampandhiyile..
  from same title 4.Ammamma keladi thozhi..' from
  Karuppupanam- 5.Manitharellam therindhu kondar..
  vazhum vahaipurinthukondan- Sirkazhi song also
  in Chakravaham-6.Manicka thottil ingirukka..
  mannavar mattum angirukka.'- from PANAM PADAITHAVAN- MD-MSV
  IR's songs in Chakravagam:other than above
  1.chalakku chalakku selai- Semparuthy
  2.Poojaikkaga vazhum poovai..' -Kadhal oviyam
  3.
  
  
• From: KITKAT (@ pm-82-122.tm.net.my) on: Mon Jul 24 21:50:56 EDT 2000
  
  Dr. S. K
  
  If you are referring to Poo vaadai Kaatru, vandhu aadai theendumae, it is not from Kozhi Koovudhu. I think it is the banupriya intro movie or manjal nila.
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Mon Jul 24 22:37:01 EDT 2000
  
  Poovaadi kaatru is from Gopurangal saaivathillai.
  
  
• From: silkfort (@ 202.9.162.133) on: Tue Jul 25 03:37:24 EDT 2000
  
  KitKat,
  Poovadai katru is from Kopurangal saivathillai and Bhanupriya's first movie is "mella paesungal"- remember "sevvanthi pookalil seidha veedu?"
  
  BTW, people did you listen to songs of "paarthaen Rasithen". I think Bharadwaj is a decent talent. Listen to the title song. SOunds like Hindolam.
  
  
  
• From: G.Jeyaram (@ 203.197.128.62) on: Wed Jul 26 13:45:23 EDT 2000
  
  Hi Venkat,
  
  I doubt whether Iravum Nilavum is Hamsanadham. It has shades of Saranga also.(look at 'Inimai Ninaivugal Thotaratume ....' - 2nd line of Pallavi and so on)
  
  Hi Neel,
  
  Probably , one important song left out in Dharmavathi is 'Ammani Azagu migum Kanmanai' from
  'Avan Our Sarithiram'.(TMS - Vani Duet)
  
  Same way, one beautiful number in Madhuvanthi is 'Kadhal Kadhal Enru Solla Kannan Vandhano...'
  from 'Uthiravinri Ulle Va' (Suseela number).
  
  Infact, I think that the above are the first songs
  in these ragas in Tamil Film Music , probably.
  
  General :
  
  'Thogailamayil' has goods shades of Lathangi ??
  
  
  
  
• From: G.Jeyaram (@ 203.197.128.62) on: Wed Jul 26 13:53:18 EDT 2000
  
  Hello Dr SK,
  
  This refers to your Chakravagam list.
  I Think 'Ammamma Keladi Thozi' from Karuppu
  Panam is based on Charukesi with some Anya
  Swaras in Charanam. (V-R)
  
  One direct number in Chakravagam is 'Deivathin
  ... Deviai Thedu... ' (by TMS) from 'Pattum Bharathamum' (MSV)
  
  
• From: CRV (@ ww2.ssbcd.co.om) on: Thu Jul 27 00:54:10 EDT 2000
  
  Help me with ragas for:
  
  1) Neelakuyile - Magudi
  2) All songs in 'Kovil Pura'
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Thu Jul 27 01:39:36 EDT 2000
  
  NeelakkuiyilE unnODu naan paN paaduvEn - malayamaarutham.
  
  Kovil puraa:
  
  Vedham nee = maayaamaaLAva gowLa ? What are the other songs in that movie ?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Thu Jul 27 01:42:22 EDT 2000
  
  Noather song in malayamaarutham is "thendral ennai muththamittathu" ?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Thu Jul 27 01:42:47 EDT 2000
  
  noather = another
  
  
• From: CRV (@ ww2.ssbcd.co.om) on: Thu Jul 27 02:23:59 EDT 2000
  
  MS
  
  Thanks. Other songs are:
  
  Sangeethame - Natakapriya?
  Amuthe Thamizhe - ???
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Thu Jul 27 03:04:15 EDT 2000
  
  Neelakuyile & amuthe thamizhe are in Rasikaranjani (Malayamarutham minus N2)
  
  Sangeethame - Rasikapriya
  vedham nee - gowla
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.65.166) on: Thu Jul 27 08:58:12 EDT 2000
  
  I think both 'Amudhe Tamizhe' from Kovil Pura and 'Neela Kuyile' from Magudi are set to the raga, 'Rasika Ranjani'.
  
  
• From: kannan (@ 209.185.189.247) on: Thu Jul 27 10:24:32 EDT 2000
  
  can someone tell me the raga for "malarkalae.. nadaswangal" sung by M.Vasudevan in a old IR movie. it sounds like saaranga. pls clarify
  
  
• From: kannan (@ 209.185.189.247) on: Thu Jul 27 10:25:26 EDT 2000
  
  it should be "nadaswarangal"
  
  

---

List all pages of this thread

Post comments