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Copycats?

Topic started by vinner (@ 80.218.94.8) on Wed Jul 9 09:57:06 EDT 2003.
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Why does some songs from Dum (Tamil) sound very similar to songs from Idiot (Telugu)????

Why would an indian music director never admit, that he is covering songs from others?

In Dum the MD is Deva, but in Idiot the songs are written by Chakri!

I can remember, that there was huge uproar when Truth Hurts sampled Lata Mageshkars voice, the Md from the original Bappi Lahiri even went to court!
He said it would have been okay, if they just mentioned, who composed the sample!

But in the indian Film soundtrack scene the Md are using tunes from all over the world! If you listen to the tamil soundtracks from the last year, I'm pretty sure that in every second or third album , you will find a song which music is covered, without even mentioning the original, you could at least write inspired by...
They are sampling the music from arabian hits (chandralekha (Malayalam) by vidyasagar), europop music(dhool), hip hop(5 Stars)

Why is this so????

Are all indian MD not creative enough? Or do you have to be a "thief" to become a succesful MD?

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Responses:

• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Wed Jul 9 19:47:44 EDT 2003
  
  vinner
  
  DUM is the remake of IDOT.So DEVA copied from ideot. Other wise he may have copied the tunes from some recent tamil movies. It is good he copied the tunes from the telugu movie that is new for us.
  
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Wed Jul 9 20:02:28 EDT 2003
  
  To me ARR is the best copy cat. He goes far away from the indian music to get new tunes from michael jackson, Yanni, madonna etc..Some how he could make hit in the past.
  
  People said that is new trend.
  
  Later all the new MD's HJ,VS,YSR followed the same thing.
  
  Then people said they are following ARR's trend and nothing new.
  
  So infact ARR's trend is copying from the western and mixing with indian music.
  
  But finally the trendsetter ARR gave very good flops udaya,parasuram,PP,KV,KM etc.. At the same time the trend follower gave the hits MINNALE, DHEENA, SAMY, BALA,APRIL MADATHIL, KADAL KONDEIN etc..
  
  Again people said the same thing .Nothing new just ARR's trend.
  
  Any way with his own trend ARR sucks and other striks.
  
  What a great trend ARR made.
  
  hahahahhaha.
  
  
• From: VRML (@ 132.206.72.96) on: Wed Jul 9 21:01:58 EDT 2003
  
  He goes far away from the indian music to get new tunes from michael jackson, Yanni, madonna etc..Some how he could make hit in the past.
  ===============================================
  
  How many such tunes has ARR copied?
  Please give us some examples.
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Wed Jul 9 21:15:31 EDT 2003
  
  
  1.Hello Mr. ethirkatchi [Film: Iruvar] inspired from Grusin's Memphis Stomp, from the OST of The Firm, 1993.
  2.Kuluvalile [Film: Muthu] BGM rythm and beats inspired from 'rescue me' by Fontella Bass/Like a virgin (Madonna)
  3.Akkadannu naanga [Film: Indian] BG beats are inspired from Paul Young's 'Love of common people','No Parlez', 1983.
  4.Anbae anbae [Film: Jeans] inspired Peter Gabriel's 'Of these, hope.' album 'Passion, Music from last temptation of Christ'.
  5.Shakalaka Baby [Film: Mudhalvan] 'Flight IC 408' by State of Bengal ans the track 'Aint talkin bout dub' by Apollo 440.
  6.Thillana thillana [Film: Muthu] The opening African female humming is ripped off from Deep Forests 'Night Bird'.
  7.Poopookkum osai [Film: Minsara Kanavu] beats inspired from Lebo M's 'Rhythm of pride lands: Kube'
  9.Thenmerku paruvakkaatru [Film: Karuthamma] beats inspired from Dr Alban, 'Om we rembwe ike'.
  10.Paarkadhey [Film: Gentleman] inspired from the Osibisa number 'Kelele Kelele'
  11.Ekamevadhvitheeyam - Theme music from Baba [Film: Baba] Inspired from BGM of The Untouchables (1987).
  12.Pudhu Vellai Mazhai [Film: Roja (1992)] inspired from Yanni's 'Quiet Man', Album 'Reflections of Passion' (1990)
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000000JS001003/1/104-3857905-5936745
  13.Tu hi tu [Film: Kabhi na kabhi] beginning inspired from 'The Scarborough Fair' by Simon and Garfunkel!
  14.Tara rum pum [Film: Doli sajake rakhna] The Champs number 'too much tequila' is used somewhere deep inside this song
  15.Sevvanam [Film: Pavithra] inspired from WHAM's 'Wake me up'!
  16.Madrasa suthi pakka poren [Film: May Madham] seemingly sounds a bit like WHAM's 'Club Tropicana' (1983)
  17.Love’s Never Easy [Album:Bombay Dreams] or Ishq Bina is uncannily similar to Don McClean’s Starry Starry Night"
  18.Beat Of Passion [Film: Taal] inspired from Devil On Turkish Highway By Al Di Meola and Steve Vai
  19.NAHI SAMUNE [Film: Taal] inspired from TITANIC movie BGM
  20.Pooraley Ponnuthayi [Film: Karuthamma] inspired from a Popular Pakistani Song
  21.Endrendum Punnagai [Film: Alaypayudhey] inspired from Cold Hearted By Paula Abdu
  22.Telephone Mani Poll [Film: Indian] inspired from Indian Lonely Hearts Club Band By Paul Young & All that She Wants
  23.Mellisaye [Film: Mr.Romeo] heavily inspired from theme music 'Ennio Morricone' For a few dollars more
  24.Chikku bukku chikku bukku rayilu (Film: Gentleman) inspired from Popular British Airways Commercial
  25.Mangta hai kya (Film: Rangeela) inspired from Devil inside(INXS)
  26.Ennai kaanavillaye (Film:kaadhal desam) inspired from Enigma (MCMXC AD)
  27.Bombay Theme music [Film: Bombay] inspired from Wyaat Earp
  28.En veettu thottathil [Film: Gentleman] copied from Naadhavindhu (Thirupugazh) by MLV
  29.Sowkyamaa kanne [Film: Sangamam] inspired from Vaanthin meethu by Ramalinga swamigal Arutpa
  30.Enna Villai Azhage [Film: Kadhal Desam] from '...Meley' by MS Vishwanathan, Shivaji Starrer.
  
  
• From: viky (@ 65.161.65.104) on: Wed Jul 9 21:51:26 EDT 2003
  
  nalla poddu potteh pa xml, well done!!
  
  
• From: WML (@ 203.123.16.215) on: Wed Jul 9 22:03:31 EDT 2003
  
  "He goes far away from the indian music to get new tunes from michael jackson, Yanni, madonna etc..Some how he could make hit in the past"
  
  means even MJ and Madonna are far away from Indian music?.....that shows how inexposed u r...
  
  
  
• From: ACE (@ 64.231.36.207) on: Wed Jul 9 22:04:19 EDT 2003
  
  u guys need to understand that there are other Musicians who use the same samples used by ARR...
  
  For instance, listen to the Ace of Base, ALL THAT SHE WANTS,,, it contains tunes from Rahman's INDIAN.... does this mean that "Ace of Base" copied ARR.... no..
  
  Its just them using the sample samples used by ARR..
  
  To be honest, this seems to be the reality of music people.... just go with it..
  
  
• From: HTML (@ 203.123.16.215) on: Wed Jul 9 22:05:03 EDT 2003
  
  "inspired "...i guess that's the word being used
  not "copied"...
  
  art requires INSPIRATION....some how some where..
  Bharathi had Kannama as his inspiration
  Bharatithasan had Bharathi's kavithaigal as his inpiration....
  
  
• From: PHP (@ 203.123.16.215) on: Wed Jul 9 22:07:51 EDT 2003
  
  anyway..a single loops...mostly last only 3 - 4 seconds...
  usually created by beats...so..when u adjust the timing between each beats..u get a different loop..
  
  to make it different...some musicians use different intrsument instead of drum beats..
  just imagine....3 - 4 seconds...co incidence...is boudn to happen to matter what..dah mangga
  
  Even GOD produces 2 - 3 (or up to 7) human beings with the same look.....oh my gosh....GOD is the biggest copy cat...he started copying since Adam & Eve
  
  
• From: DHTML (@ 132.216.68.119) on: Wed Jul 9 23:17:18 EDT 2003
  
  xml:
  
  NONE of those songs listed above qualify as lifts - they are inspirations. "Nahin Saamne" in Taal cannot be called a copy of the Titanic theme song. There may be similarities in small phrases at a place or two. That DOES NOT undermine ARRs contribution or creativity or his skill in composing that beautiful tune.
  
  In the 50s and 60s, the MDs from all over India have been lifting tunes lock, stock and barrel, without qualms. THOSE are true copies. The songs listed by you certainly don't fall in that category.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.74) on: Wed Jul 9 23:59:21 EDT 2003
  
  ACE,
  
  tat's a good one!
  
  
• From: VIJAY2002 (@ 203.195.195.242) on: Thu Jul 10 00:38:04 EDT 2003
  
  WHATEVER MAYBE I ENJOY ARR SONGS I DONT CARE WHETHER THE STUFFS ARE COPIED OR INSPIRED OR ORIGINAL JUST ENJOY IS MUSIC HE IS THE NO 1 MD IN INDIA!!!!!
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.74) on: Thu Jul 10 00:55:32 EDT 2003
  
  "WHATEVER MAYBE I ENJOY ARR SONGS I DONT CARE WHETHER THE STUFFS ARE COPIED OR INSPIRED OR ORIGINAL JUST ENJOY IS MUSIC"
  
  for this we can respect ur 'IMHO' or IMO'
  
  but for this
  
  "HE IS THE NO 1 MD IN INDIA!!!!!"...tat's where ppl will take back the above and will think u're space cadet.
  
  
  
• From: vijay2002 (@ 203.195.195.242) on: Thu Jul 10 01:18:13 EDT 2003
  
  XML can u provide links for these original songs??
  
  
• From: N Teja (@ 140.159.4.3) on: Thu Jul 10 01:37:41 EDT 2003
  
  xml,
  
  why arent you responding to PHP and DHTML. the reason is you havent heard most of these songs yourself. if you had you wouldnt be putting them here. you just took it of a web site that listed them. but you cleverly one thing mensioned in that website abt each song that is listed "THAT THE TUNE IS ORIGINAL". most of the things mensioned there are abt commertially available loops. if you bothered to search for them you will find them too.
  
  N Teja
  
  
• From: N Teja (@ 140.159.4.3) on: Thu Jul 10 01:49:17 EDT 2003
  
  xml,
  
  i have prepared a similar list abt IR, wanna see
  
  here go...
  
  01
  Kanavu kaanum [Film: Neengal Kettavai]
  Ditto replica of the song 'kasme vaade' from the movie Upkaar. Music by Kalyanji Anandji!
  
  02
  Theme from Mouna Raagam [Film: Mouna Raagam]
  Inspired from the theme of the film Flash Dance by Giorgio Moroder. Inspired! No direct lift but a very beautiful adaptation of the Flash Dance theme.
  
  03
  Chittu kuruvi [Film: Chinna Veedu]
  Inspired from Antonin Dvorak's Symphony 9 - New World. The actual track is Sym No. 9 in e, Op. 95: Scherzo: Molto Vivace.
  Listen to Chittu kuruvi | Antonin Dvorak's Symphony 9 (The beginning of the Tamil song can be distinctly heard in this clip. Make sure you have your speaker volumes in max, it starts with a very low volume)
  
  04
  Kan malargalin [Film: Thaippongal]
  Inspired from ABBA's Money money money
  
  05
  Darling darling darling [Film: Priya]
  Inspired from Boney M's number, Sunny
  
  06
  Entha poovilum vaasam [Film: Murattukkaalai]
  Inspired from Antonio Ruiz-Pipo's 'Cancione et Danza: 2. Danza'.
  
  07
  Ada veetukku veetukku [Film: Kizhakku Vaasal]
  Inspired from Mozart's 25th symphony, 1st movement.
  
  08
  Poottukkal pottaalum [Film: Chatriyan]
  Inspired from the song 'My favorite things' from the all time classic Sound of Music!
  
  09
  Theeyani [Film: Nireekshana]
  Inspired by The Sound of Music number 'My favorite things'!
  
  10
  Chittukku chella chittukku [Film: Nallavanukku Nallavan]
  inspired by Rimsky-Korsakov's 'The Tale Of The Kalendar Prince', from his 1888 work by name 'Scheherazade'.
  
  11
  Kaadhal Vandhiruchu [Film: Kalyanaraman (1979)]
  A prominent portion partly inspired by the song 'Lady in Black' by the rock band Uriah Heep!
  
  i can provide links to some of these songs if any one wants.
  
  N Teja
  
  
• From: vinner (@ 80.218.94.8) on: Thu Jul 10 07:03:56 EDT 2003
  
  i don't condem MD's for using lifted tunes, it's a common thing all over the world.
  But if they use some samples which were already part of a hit of someone else, i guess they should be so decent to mention that!
  
  I mean if you can't hear evidently that it's a lift, then it's more or less okay, if you don't admit it, but otherwise...
  
  Film Directors in India are in the same dilemma, they copy hollywood-movies as if they had they rights to do a remake.
  I think, that this is a great moral problem about it in our country!
  
  and @ace there is no point in your statement, that ace of base copied rahman! All that she wants was released in 1993, but Rahmans Indian came out in 1996. And I don't think that Rahman was working more than 3 years on that song :-)
  
  

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