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the psychology behind "raja & rehman comparison" threads

Topic started by velramanan (@ 202.88.154.169) on Mon Oct 22 06:25:41 EDT 2001.
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I am sick of finding seemingly endless comparisons between raja & rehman. For once, let us stop talking about comparing raja & rehman. Instead i would like to discuss the real psychology behind "what prompts people to resort to such comparisons. What sort of personalities relish such fights. What might be the internal motives of such comparisons? Are there any sincere people involved in such threads or is it mere cheap ego trips?". This has always been an intriguing riddle to me. Help please....(for heaven's sake please do not start another sickening fight here too.) :-)

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• From: Wizard (@ 203.106.139.94) on: Thu Oct 25 12:20:24 EDT 2001
  
  fliflo - if you think this thread is useless, I request you to keep out of it. Please do not come now and then and make irritating remarks. You sound like a spoilt boy who didn't get invited to the party.
  
  
• From: Wizard (@ 203.106.139.94) on: Thu Oct 25 12:20:46 EDT 2001
  
  fliflo - if you think this thread is useless, I request you to keep out of it. Please do not come now and then and make irritating remarks. You sound like a spoilt boy who didn't get invited to the party.
  
  
• From: velramanan (@ 202.56.193.246) on: Thu Oct 25 13:05:56 EDT 2001
  
  Raycas, thanks. But i would have been so happy had you contributed too. It would be really great if we can gather as much insights as we can.
  
  Dear Wizard...., this is what i said about "avoiding traps"...[i repeat, avoid traps that distracters might try to set up now & then. The going in this topic has been great, thanks to you guys :-)]
  
  Raycas & Wizard, expecting your contribution too...
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Oct 25 13:20:35 EDT 2001
  
  "fliflo - if you think this thread is useless, I request you to keep out of it"
  
  Thanks for your "kind" suggestion. If you are that sensitive..you can as well ignore my comments..the same right that allows you to say me not to come to this thread gives me the right to make me to say this.
  
  "Please do not come now and then and make irritating remarks.."
  
  I can't come here all the time as I have other worthy job to do in-between..
  
  "You sound like a spoilt boy who didn't get invited to the party"
  
  Is this an invited party or what? I thought this is a "thirandha veedu"..for that matter entire newtfmpage forum..By the by who invited you here...I sound like a spoilt party..how many times I hear this...
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Oct 25 13:37:32 EDT 2001
  
  "i repeat, avoid traps that distracters might try to set up now & then"
  
  Captain unveils the path....
  
  
• From: velramanan (@ 202.56.194.154) on: Fri Oct 26 11:35:20 EDT 2001
  
  Whynot, Mani, Guru and Bharat..more inputs please.. Let me briefly put together what we have arrived at so far.
  
  Karthik S – Doest not see any rocket science here. He says,“these “raja-rehman comparison craps” see participation mainly from people who think IR is great but ARR is useless or viceversa.”
  
  Whynot – He says,“ these “raja-rehman comparison craps” finally comes down to the individual personality wherein rational ones will still watch what they say and maintain calm, and respect for others, while the emotional ones and the Type A personalities will resort to personal attacks, vulgarities and digressions from the main point.” (Good points Whynot)
  
  Bharat – He says,“ the first gut reaction when someone disagrees with you is the offense taken at the insult to your judgement by someone disagreeing with it. Since you believe his decision making parameters and background is similar to yours..you automatically think he/she has missed some fundametal points in coming to the judgement.” (Again, brilliant point!!!)
  
  Mani – Stunningly brings in the brand loyalty angle to the discussion. He says,“ since people grow up with a certain set of brand names (like IR), they unconsciously develop a strong identity with the brand (say IR for music). And when someone questions that, they feel their very identity is being criticized.”
  
  Guru – Says,“ one would wait for quite sometime to compare both. If ARR had emerged after IR had retired, then we might not have seen such sycophancies or bashings. (Nice thought…)
  
  [And as I said, carefully avoid traps that distracters might try to set up now & then. The going in this topic has been great, thanks to you guys :-)]
  
  
• From: velramanan (@ 202.56.194.154) on: Fri Oct 26 11:37:07 EDT 2001
  
  Whynot, Mani, Guru and Bharat..more inputs please.. Let me briefly put together what we have arrived at so far.
  
  Karthik S – Doest not see any rocket science here. He says,“these “raja-rehman comparison craps” see participation mainly from people who think IR is great but ARR is useless or viceversa.”
  
  Whynot – He says,“ these “raja-rehman comparison craps” finally comes down to the individual personality wherein rational ones will still watch what they say and maintain calm, and respect for others, while the emotional ones and the Type A personalities will resort to personal attacks, vulgarities and digressions from the main point.” (Good points Whynot)
  
  Bharat – He says,“ the first gut reaction when someone disagrees with you is the offense taken at the insult to your judgement by someone disagreeing with it. Since you believe his decision making parameters and background is similar to yours..you automatically think he/she has missed some fundametal points in coming to the judgement.” (Again, brilliant point!!!)
  
  Mani – Stunningly brings in the brand loyalty angle to the discussion. He says,“ since people grow up with a certain set of brand names (like IR), they unconsciously develop a strong identity with the brand (say IR for music). And when someone questions that, they feel their very identity is being criticized.”
  
  Guru – Says,“ one would wait for quite sometime to compare both. If ARR had emerged after IR had retired, then we might not have seen such sycophancies or bashings. (Nice thought…)
  
  [And as I said, carefully avoid traps that distracters might try to set up now & then. The going in this topic has been great, thanks to you guys :-)]
  
  
• From: velramanan (@ 202.56.194.154) on: Fri Oct 26 11:38:10 EDT 2001
  
  sorry for that double post...didn't mean to.
  
  
• From: Wizard (@ 203.106.139.227) on: Fri Oct 26 13:03:06 EDT 2001
  
  velraman - I've been there, discussed everything that has to be discussed and have nothing new to add. sorry about that.
  I appreciate your attempt however.
  
  Nalla maattukku oru adi, nalla manushanukku oru sollu, sila jenmangala thiruththa mudiyalaye.....
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Oct 26 13:26:31 EDT 2001
  
  Wizard...Poda/Podi Punnakku payale...Nallathu solra aala paaru...
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.160) on: Fri Oct 26 15:36:53 EDT 2001
  
  Fliflo:
  
  yEdho discuss paNraanga..avangaLai discuss paNNa vidungaLEn. u have been in the forum for quite some time. Is it not decorous on any decent DFer's part not to hamper a moving topic if he/she does not have anything to contribute ? Atleast I am staying away from the thread because I seem to lack substance to talk in this thread. adhai vittu vittu oruththarai oruththar thittikkaradhula enna mariyaadhai irukkiradhu ?
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Oct 26 16:04:00 EDT 2001
  
  MS:
  
  I agree with you...I will stay out..Thanks!
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Oct 26 17:40:15 EDT 2001
  
  I wud summarize it this way
  
  one is not able to reconcile with the differences in another persons opinion. and so is compelled to critisize the other persons opinion based on the differences in their opinion.
  
  it is a simple matter of seeking their truth. that is why we contest so hardly. we want to know if we are actually correct (thats the suconcious intent). The belief that we cannot go wrong keeps a wrong-opinion person from giving up the fight!
  
  In fact opinion as a subjective thing is quite complex... if we delve into that it may be larger than the scope of this thread!
  
  
• From: velramanan (@ 202.56.194.139) on: Sat Oct 27 00:57:18 EDT 2001
  
  Dear Bharat....
  ..//"we want to know if we are actually correct thats the subconcious intent"//..i was waiting for someone to pitch in with the "sub-conscious" issue of the "raja-rehman comparison threads"...i know it might be larger than the scope of this thread, but going by the current level of activity (negative instances apart ;-)) in this thread, there is no harm in trying :-)
  
  thank you MS for clearing some clouds here :-)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.160) on: Sat Oct 27 03:31:36 EDT 2001
  
  Fliflo:
  
  sorry. I mean no offense though.
  
  
• From: pardhu (@ 202.54.26.125) on: Sat Oct 27 03:32:28 EDT 2001
  
  There's no point in comparing the MDs. Each has his
  own distinct style and the kind of music they give, the number of
  hits and accolades they get depend on various factors.
  Raja is a pioneer and will remain as the greatest
  Indian experimenter on WCM while ARR is till today, is the MD who
  gave us the best fusion of the 21st century's Western
  Music and Indian music. The scenario where IR was
  at his best is different from today's scenario where ARR
  is at his best. If IR is not giving today's kind-a music. it doesn't
  necessarily mean, he cannot. May be he is not simply
  interested. Why do you blame him for not doing something which he
  is not interested in ? The spirit of enjoying music is lost
  if you start comparing people.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 172.190.227.196) on: Sat Oct 27 03:51:37 EDT 2001
  
  i have my reasons why i have been a steadfast raja fan despite onslaught by ARR:
  orchestration-i miss his style of grand orchestrations-esp for bgm's
  I grew up with his magic-and I was very much there when the IR phenemenon was happening-I still remember,whenever I was passing a cassette recording shop a new IR record cover will be on display and a new song will be blaring-when I remember his unprecedented output,all the hype on ARR when he has done ?70 movies is laughable.
  I still remember when I heard many of his classics for the first time-like rathiriyil poothirukkum-i heard this in oppanakkara street in coimbatore(Alas, those shops are now history)
  kinnathil then vadithu in a teashop in rangeygowder street and so on.it is difficult to part with someone who has gone up in your eyes and the eyes of the world-esp when he is good.I am sure many of the ARR fans must see IR as he is now and wondering why on earth are we vociferously defending a 'has been'.beleive me-he may have had a fall in his commercial viability-his creativity remains viable
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.161.1) on: Sat Oct 27 05:58:10 EDT 2001
  
  MS:Hey Man!..I have taken in the right sense..Thanks!
  
  

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