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Can hariharan be considered an able successor of SPB ?

Topic started by vijay (@ 129.252.29.219) on Wed Jun 10 19:08:42 EDT 1998.
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With hariharan getting to sing a song in almost every film including films done by IR there is a popular notion that he might be the next SPB.But my doubt is whether he would create the same impact that SPB had in the last twenty years, or would he fade away soon? also is he capable and versatile enough
of holding the top spot in TFM ?awaiting your opinions.

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• From: Srikanth (@ 206.139.13.154) on: Thu Jul 30 15:46:04 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  I agree with Udhaya. SPB has given plenty of variation and defined standards for film music singing.
  The feel and the improvization he gives is amazing. All the Deva songs sungs by SPB sounds good because of SPB only, eg: Kathil lolalu..
  Mood and Feel Spb brings to a song is topcall when compared with many singers. HH has a long way to go.
  50% of raja songs would have not sounded good if spb was not around. He proved to be a great handwriting for rajas score. How ever good is your exam - your hand writing is vital, in a song voice matters much. A bad singer (someone like me) would spoil a great score, but balu has made bad tunes really sound good one.
  
  It is a really pity to see the great musician, singer, actor - all rounder being taken for a ride by tfm-dfers here, please stop comparing with him brand new singers who have not even spent more than 100hrs in the studio.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: dhan (@ dajal.legato.com) on: Thu Jul 30 16:30:06 EDT 1998
  
  
  kabhi naa kabhi, appadinu oru hindi film, namma ARRthaan music. Athula namma SPByum, HHnum Chitravuda koodi oru song. High pitchula HH paavam. SPByo kalakkal. Voice inimailum sari, fluency'layum sari, kambhirathilum sari...SPB alliti poyirukkaar.
  
  
• From: manam_nondhavan (@ gw4.awo.com) on: Thu Jul 30 17:28:45 EDT 1998
  
  eppadi SPB ennum imayathai matru siriya kundragalai pondra pudhiyavargalidam oppiduvadhai ingu silaraal oppukolla mudiyavillaiyo, the same holds good for IR and ARR comparison. So, the reactions of IR fans observed globally in this forum is quite normal and may not be misintrepreted. I see some ARR fans spreading bad remarks about IR fans then and there which I humbly feel is incorrect. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and there is absolute freedom of speech in a common and decent forum like this. Kindly do not spread bad remarks about IR fans anymore.
  
  
• From: Observer (@ spider-wg081.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Jul 30 17:54:22 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya you just made a thoughtless , derogatory statement about TFM. While I can appreciate your obsession to Balu's voice in comparison to HH, I certainly cannot desist from neutralising your abrupt commentary by calling TFM as POP Music. If your statement is true, then we would not be having people like G. Ramanathan, Kannadasan, K.V.Mahadevan,P.B.Srinivas,Sirgazhi Govindarajan contributing to TFM. Nor, we would be running a simposium on comparing Kannadasan and Vairamuthu in this forum which (ironically) is being conducted by you. I can qualify your statement to the extent of the degradation that the industry has suffered by invasion of the so called 'pop culture' in the past two decades. But , IMO TFM is a dignified domain beneath the cloud of these thundershowers. They seem to outpour the lake with thickest of their overcast, but donot stand long. The same westernly wind that brought them there, will drive them away. I apologize if this irks your sentiments but I did not expect this from one of the driving forces in this forum
  
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks15d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Thu Jul 30 18:18:42 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  Udhayavukke indha nilamayna....ennakku kay kaal ellam udharal edukkiradhu !:-))) Udhaya probably meant 'POPular' music - music as ordained by the commoner rather than the expert. In any case, I would assume an ordinance from a multitude would be tougher to fulfill than that of an elite group. In effect, I saw him holding TFM in highest esteem !
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Thu Jul 30 19:18:36 EDT 1998
  
  Paarvayaalarae,
  By pop music I meant light music, (as in less formal than Carnatic music).
  Pop music has a lot more leeway, Carnatic music or other classical traditions do not.
  Pop music can be formal when it follows set keerthanais, raagams but there is no mandate
  on pop music to follow a specific rule book. Seerghaazhi can sing it, Balamuralikrishna can
  sing it and Suresh Peters can sing it--only pop music can have room for all these singers.
  While the grade of pop music differs based on the singer, composition, and music, one should
  realize the governing factors of the art being practised.
  
  A ballet dancer may be the most graceful in dancing, but when she takes to a dance floor
  in a night club, she would be out of place if she pirouettes like a ballerina to the house music beats. My problem with HH is that he unnecessarily slides his voice to show off his brigas. Those who practice professional singing as some of my friends do, really appreciate HH for his amazing brigas, but I argue that his briga exhibition has no place in simple pop songs. If HH wants to do
  his own "Oru Naal Poadhuma" to show off his voice appropriately, I would love it. When Vani
  Jayaram showed off her Ghazal singing in "Megamae Megamae", I applauded it.
  
  I see no irony with my conducting a lyrics symposium and calling TFM music pop music which incidentally is the only appropriate term to include all the various influences present in TFM. Perhaps this is a semantics issue. Your views don't irk me one bit so please feel free to say your piece. I don't know if I'm a driving force in the forum, I don't think any one person is. I just contribute a lot. But by calling me that you have shown that you expect a lot out of me, so thanks for that high regard. I shall try to be clear in what I write. I usually don't make thoughtless derogatory comments, as derogatory comments take a lot of thought and care. Anyhow, I hope you will allow me the room to err since I'm very human and given to outrageous mistakes. I appreciate your passion, now that is the driving
  force in all of us.
  
  
  
• From: Observer (@ spider-tr063.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Jul 30 20:40:18 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya
  I have too little knowledge on the books of rules which can give room for Balamuralikrishna and Seerghaazhi to sing pop music (hope they abide by if they try this herculian task) . I only showed my discern on an unwarranted remark which can from you as you happen to pass by a thread which is full of end-less fist-i-cuffs. In any case,
  I appreciate you positive take on this,
  
  "Aanaikkum adi sarukkum"
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 208.des-moines-02.ia.dial-access.att.net) on: Thu Jul 30 23:13:14 EDT 1998
  
  Hi
  Observer : Pop-Music=Popular music, I am sure tamil film music can be called as popular music among the public, nothing wrong.
  
  Dont imagine - a gang of long hair grown guys gang playing lead guitars and one person banging the drums.
  Even people like quency jones have scored world fame in pop-music, beatles is also a pop-music group.
  Do not imagine anything by just watching MTV etc.
  
  (Most of the carnatic oldies call film music as pop-music.)
  
  Like Pop-Music TF Music has a very wide scope - permits Spb, UnniKrishnan, Balamurali and also singer like Kolankudi Karupayeee, you, me and everyone or anyone, What they sing is for the individual to decide and thier success is in the hand of the public.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Jul 31 17:24:56 EDT 1998
  
  peyaraip paarvaikku
  vaikkaatha paarvayaalarae
  
  naan aanai endra ennamillai
  en adi sarukkiyathaai ingu
  niroobanam illai
  indhap paguthiyil en pathippaip
  padiththup paarththaal
  en manadhil endha paathippumillai
  endru puriyum
  
  pattendru pesuvathu en pazhakkam illai
  manadhirkkup pattathaip pesuvathil izhukkum illai
  
  manidhan endraal thavarugal irukkum
  endru podhuvaagak koorinaen
  mannikkumbadi kooriyadhaaga
  ninaikkavaendaam
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ isdbsd1-inet.ci.mil.wi.us) on: Fri Jul 31 17:59:43 EDT 1998
  
  Srinath:
  Just an FYI. Kanchana had mentioned in some other thread that she was not the all-seeing-eye-in-the-sky, aka Observer :-)
  
  
• From: SRinath (@ socks10d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Fri Jul 31 19:48:26 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  Sorry 'bout that! :-)
  
  Bharat:
  Thanks for the correction ! Pity, I see very little of you these days ? :-)
  
  Udhaya:
  I didn't see your intro in the intro thread, how come ?
  
  
• From: Veera Akkoor (@ 1cust66.tnt2.det1.da.uu.net) on: Fri Jul 31 23:38:50 EDT 1998
  
  Folks,
  
  There is no comparison for SPB with that small time singer HH. Listen to the so called classical singer (HH) in Poothotham. That song Meetadha veenai is pathetic with him singing in high pitch. Another song vennilave is a flop song. Ironically though it is a success among common folks in Tamilnadu.I do not understand why IR gave him a chance instead of SPB. May be the song from "Kaathaluku mariyathai" gave him the chance. HH cannot sing a high pitched song. His voice falters. Or have I heard it wrong? HH cannot be a singer to be rated.
  
  If you say Krishna nee begane as a standard to compare SPB I would call it silly. SPB is a boon to TFM. See SPB allrounder thread.
  
  Unni is a very good Carnatic singer. But film music is not his ground. Songs from "Aasai" Unni has sung yeah it is good but the song that remains in memory is "Thillothama". That is SPB. My god his variations is amazing and out of the world.
  
  Thanks
  
  Veera Akkoor.
  
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ banjo.cs.iitm.ernet.in) on: Sat Aug 1 03:49:27 EDT 1998
  
  I think HH's voice is getting more and more monotonous as he is singing more songs, unlike SPB's whose voice is as fresh as ever. So I do not think HH will last as long as SPB.
  
  
• From: Observer (@ spider-wg013.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Aug 1 22:16:20 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya
  I am surprised what makes you to think that you apologized. I never said that. What made me to say "Anaikkum adi ..." is your reply to me like this
  
  "Anyhow, I hope you will allow me the room to err since I'm very human and given to outrageous mistakes Anyhow, I hope you will allow me the room to err since I'm very human and given to outrageous mistakes".
  
  So if you donot THINK(!) you are committing anything in these lines , then I request you to consider my comment "Aanaikum..." as null and void. Calling TFM as POP(ular!) Music is your RIGHT in this forum and I stand no way between you and that. Enjoy the rest of HH bashing!
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ host16.globalcenter.net) on: Sun Aug 2 03:13:36 EDT 1998
  
  The lines of mine you quoted are for the disappointment you felt about my comments, since you implied you expect better from me. For that sentiment I wrote the quoted lines to say that we are all humans and prone to mistakes and I don't deserve the extra regard and expectation to never falter. However, when you mentioned the proverb I thought maybe you construed my note as an apology. Anyway, this thread put forth a comparison which has been taken to extremes by some, and I felt I will chip in my contribution. I don't enjoy bashing. I like to balance the scales and prevent one-sided bashings. If mud is flung, then it will be flung from both sides if I can help it. But thanks for your candor, Observer. I appreciate your messages.
  
  

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