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Folk Music Forms

Topic started by pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on Mon Feb 23 15:23:20 EST 1998.
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• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Mon Feb 23 15:33:15 EST 1998
  
  There has been much discussion about folk music etc but let's discuss about the exact folk music forms used in TFM. Folk music is very vague - it is often confused with tappAnguthu. But in reality, TFM (Tamil Folk Music :-) ) has very clear forms like
  
  themmAngu
  kAvadi chindhu
  noNdi chindhu
  
  I don't know much about any of these; that's why I have started this thread.
  
  I can recognize themmAngu but I can't say why this is themmAngu or this is not themmAngu. Is there a specific grammar for themmAngu songs ? I discovered the world of themmAngu by accident and then there was no going back.
  
  kAvadi chindhu is mostly absent from TFM (Film). There is one kAvadi chindhu in veera pAndiya katta bomman that I know. KC is basically the same tune there seems to be no difference. I heard an album of kAvadi chindhus by carnatic singer Sowmya and all the songs were in the same tune (aNNAmalai reddiyAr songs). Is kAvadi chindhu a tune or is it a chandham ?
  
  bhArathi marks a few of his songs as noNdi chindhu varNa mettu - any details of this ? Is this used in TFM ?
  
  Any details on T Folk M welcome.
  
  
• From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com) on: Mon Feb 23 19:52:13 EST 1998
  
  Gummi is another popular folk form. The most famous example is of course
  
  Gummiadi Thamizh Naadu Muzhuvadhum Kulungida Kai Katti Gummiadi
  
  I hv no idea whether this song is part of TFM or not.
  
  
• From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com) on: Mon Feb 23 19:55:57 EST 1998
  
  Sindhu:
  
  I am not sure whether songs like "Naanoru Sindhu" correspond to the Sindhu format. I personally think that they dont.
  
  I always thought songs like
  "Andhi Saayura Neram
  Mandharach Chedi Oram
  Oru Ammavai Paatthu Ayya Adicchaaraam Kannu
  Ava Siricchaalaam Ponnu"
  
  as a Sindhu. Strictly speaking, this doesnt correspond to Annamalai Reddiars songs. Same problem as you. I dont exactly know what a Sindhu is.
  
  Nenjil Uramumindri is supposed to a be a Nondich Chindhu, I think.
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-te04.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Feb 24 10:47:35 EST 1998
  
  How about kuRavanji style? Is that strictly thamizh folk? Do we have any in TFM?
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Tue Feb 24 14:50:59 EST 1998
  
  Is kummi not a dance form rather than a music form ?
  
  kuRavanchi is folk I think. I am not sure whether anybody has used it in TFM. It has been used in bharathanatyam.
  
  
• From: mannAru (@ ns.arraycomm.com) on: Tue Feb 24 23:39:25 EST 1998
  
  enakku therindha sila folk-tune pirivugalum
  udhAranangalum.
  
  melody/tune:
  
  1) thAlAttu - < I don't remember any song >
  2) kuRavanchi or kurunji - nAnga pudhusA - MSV
  3) sindhu - cholam vidhaikayile - IR
  mArgazhi thAn - IR
  pachai malai sAmy - bhAgyarAj?
  rAsaVe unnai nambi - IR
  pAdi parandha kiLi - IR
  4) kummi - Senthamizh nAdenum - bhArathiyAr??
  5) villu pAttu or hari kadhA - rAmam kadhai - IR
  6) oppAri - ucchi vahideduthu - IR
  yEn pirandhAi - MSV
  7) nadOdi - Ayiram thAmarai mottu - IR
  vArAndA vArAndA - IR
  
  
  tappAnguthu can also be called as another
  but it can be overlapping tune style with
  others.
  
  rhythm/thAlam:
  1) naiyAndi - machi mannARU - IR
  2) urumi - annanukku jE - IR
  ayyA voodu - IR
  3) karagam - mAngulyile - IR
  
  Sorry! i know only IR songs.
  
  mannAru
  
  
• From: mannAru (@ 199.74.167.5) on: Wed Feb 25 22:54:44 EST 1998
  
  Oops! I have missed themmAngu in the tunes list.
  
  mannAru
  
  
• From: p.saravanan (@ ) on: Mon May 28 04:55:55 EDT 2001
  
  dear gramathu makkale,
  
  The reality of mens life lies here only in village which one shpuld understand how the folk songs are in a first position than all songs.
  Gramiya padalkal, Nattupura isai, Nattuppura padalkal and etc... variety of names.
  
  The real songs live here.This gramiya padal gives the realman life experience in a simple and amazing manner. tamil folk means it is uncomparable. for example Mrs.Vijayalakshmi Navaneetha krishnan, pushpavanam kuppusamy, paravai muniyamma etc... how nicely they sung the song. one should realise that we tamil people got such a very good singers in tamilnadu which we wont find anywhere in india. One can give assurance that the reality of music which reach inside your heart lies here only in tamilnadu folks family.
  
  simple folk music may be one of the below which one will really loves and listen
  
  1. Thaalattu
  2. Kummy
  3. Nadavu
  4. Themmangu
  
  
• From: radha (@ ) on: Tue Nov 23 19:34:43 EST 2004
  
  Is Kurinji same as Talattu[there are lot os thalattu songs I know in Kurinji
  Nadavanathiloraandi Is this Nondichindu?
  there is song that has haunting melody 'inge iruppada/ ange varuvada? mangaLa nayakiye..chollamma 'what is this called/ [if anyone knows this song]
  
  
• From: radha (@ 199.181.178.37) on: Tue Nov 23 19:36:47 EST 2004
  
  Is Kurinji same as Talattu[there are lot os thalattu songs I know in Kurinji
  Nadavanathiloraandi Is this Nondichindu?
  there is song that has haunting melody 'inge iruppada/ ange varuvada? mangaLa nayakiye..chollamma 'what is this called/ [if anyone knows this song]
  Is the PaAlai system classical tamil music?howold is it anyone knows/
  
  

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