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Mumbai Moham - What do Tamils put up with the bad and mediocre singing of Mumbai artistes?

Topic started by Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on Sat Dec 1 22:44:28 EST 2001.
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This is my question....Udit Narayan, Hariharan, Sadhana Sargam, Kavitha Krishnamurti,Sonu Nigam - All sing in Tamil. But their Tamil is really very bad. Are Tamils deaf, tolerant, or have no PERUMAI in their own language? Is there really a shortage of good, tamil-speaking singers? Or is this really Tamil Inferiority Complex?

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• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Mon Dec 3 15:33:15 EST 2001
  
  KS,
  
  The wanted which takes preference over the "unwanted" is different between you and me.
  
  "i'm buying Azhagi and Kasi"
  
  I should commend you for that.That's a important first step.My personal complaint is "I'm not getting a chance to deny the unwanted".:)
  If many people follow what you are doing I'll soon have a choice atleast "To buy or not to buy".
  
  Fliflo,
  
  When people see a junk movie it doesn't describe people's "junk" mentality.When you make a good cultural movie and portray it nicely I don't see why it can't run.But when people don't get enough of what they truly deserve they watch a junk movie just for distraction.I don't think anyone remembers a movie like "Ulle Veliye" or "Sembaruthi"(IR fans are always capable of springing a surprise here too:) ) today.
  
  "I don't hesitate to put the blame on cinema, where a punjabi actress can do good tamilian role as her job is just to show her face"
  
  How did I miss this?If u are talking abt Simran I'm all ready for a very serious debate which we can have outside the thread.:)
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Mon Dec 3 16:23:25 EST 2001
  
  "When you make a good cultural movie and portray it nicely I don't see why it can't run"
  
  You have a point there..Yes it definitely reflects a junk mentality of the mass..There is a giver and there is a taker..a taker can be holed up eventually by hitting at their weak point (panagotta thalaiya, thirupugazhai pada pada vaai manakkum..are they laughable jokes?..)..then the giver can give more..taker can take more..taker can give the giver to take home more....when the taste is tested so much it can reach to a level where the takers reach a real bottom..this is the point where hits can be of
  
  i) a movie with substandard jokes
  ii) a movie with substandard music
  iii) a movie with substandard story
  ...................
  etc.etc...
  
  A movie like karuvelam Pookal or Bharathi can hardly make a big hit coz people are in no mood to listen or understand...What I mean good is "acknowledged from various reputed sources"...Don't you think rasanai of people have gone deep...(i don't understand the reason to bring IR here..let them be peaceful in this thread)
  
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.128.250) on: Mon Dec 3 16:38:42 EST 2001
  
  Trend,
  
  U r right...it is such differences which is causing a world of difference to all of us now. While one can argue for arguments sake, all this once again boils down to the point as to how much you really care...do you have a high esteem for your language and culture. And the fact is many don't seem to (again subjective some may say). Atleast, it doesn't show.
  
  And as you already know, many people question and argue and make things worse but don't do the same to help things for better. Again, some may say worse and better may be subjective:). And that is when, knowing the unwanted, i feel it is better to avoid the unwanted.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Mon Dec 3 16:49:05 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  
  That was an oversight.Sorry.
  
  Coming to the "rasanai",a good movie not running doesn't have any relation with a junk movie. A good movie doesn't become a failure just b'cos a junk movie becomes a hit.
  
  If you take "Bharathi" I liked the movie for its realism.I was disappointed that the director didn't go further into how Bharthi forms such beliefs.I was expecting a still deeper portrayal of "Bharathi".That would have made more impact in the later scenes.That's my opinion but I still think it was a very commendable effort.
  I understand it's tough that when you make a good movie you have to really make it very good.That may not seem fair when a junk movie goes for "Silver Jubilee".
  
  According to me,the good movies should be still better.Appreciating a good movie(it is good enough) just b'cos it is better than a junk movie is like insulting a good movie.
  
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Mon Dec 3 16:56:11 EST 2001
  
  KS,
  
  I think we are getting into that "Cultural" thing we had few months back.In essence, each should respect other's subjectivist attitude to look for answers from a objective point of view.
  
  Fliflo,
  
  I'm still waiting for my answer on Simran.:-)
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Mon Dec 3 17:25:42 EST 2001
  
  "A good movie doesn't become a failure just b'cos a junk movie becomes a hit."
  
  Definitely not...I didn't say that either..But what I was trying to convey is that people, driven by their tastes, failed to give due credit to good movies ..tell a good movie ran for 100 days, recently...I happend to hear that in 80s....I have seen people who just spend money for a specific actor or Do I need to tell why people don't care to spend money on big screen actressess...I don't say that is wrong..But the taste level has reached to an extent that these are just basic formula for a hit movie...Bharathi movie would probably would be a super hit if "other factors" were introduced...People can not digest/accept that..Coz..it is out of standard formula..I too had a similar feeling about Bharathi when I watched for the first time (Coz I have to be out of the formula)..But imagining the kind of efforts, and sacrification of the producer knowing that it won't be hit, I ended up in greatly appreciating. Just happend to read this from Karuvelampookal director..
  
  http://www.kumudam.com/lightsmain1.html
  
  Coming to bharathi, thirty-three (or four) years of Bharathi's life was put so realistically in a time box of 2 hrs...I don't think I can be offered more...If people fail to encourage this kinda movies, we ought to loose more.....In this sense, whether you agree or not, malayalam movies give better than ours..Their directors little more concerned than just money..Audience too clap better than ours..Don't bring in IVSasi now...
  
  
  About simran, is she the only one from punjab?? I had somebody else in mind....:-)))
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.128.250) on: Mon Dec 3 17:46:14 EST 2001
  
  Trend,
  
  That respect and openness is all there. Had that openness not been there we wouldn't have landed in this situation of ours today. But then everybody cannot have their own different opinion and still expect a solution for the problem on hand. They have to arrive at an agreement...atleast to start with.
  
  It is just that when people argue in the name of openness, for the sake of creativity...and stuff like that to the extent of causing irrepairable damage that one has to put their foot down firmly and take a stance for the better. Many a plays can be done keeping this "subjective" and "objective" things but then those are not going to help.
  
  All said and done, all this once again boils down to the point as to how much one really cares...and the fact is many don't seem to (again subjective maybe). Atleast, it doesn't show.
  
  And that is when, knowing the unwanted, it is better to avoid the unwanted than try to cope up with it...all this only if you want to solve the problem on hand.
  
  
  
• From: Pal (@ 24.18.103.38) on: Mon Dec 3 18:28:34 EST 2001
  
  People come to movies manily for entertainement. They want to forget their hard feelings at least for 3 hrs. In those 3 hrs, they do not want to go and watch 'karu velam pookaL' or 'kutty'. There is a small crowd which enjoys that kind of film for the sake of saying that they are in an elite group of appreciating art films.
  
  please don't assume about people's mentality if a film liked by you did run well
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Mon Dec 3 18:56:26 EST 2001
  
  People go to movies to enjoy..that is the universal trend..i don't disagree..but that is a concept we slowly adopted/pushed in to...i am sure you remember that for some MGR, Ganesan movies, people bothered to give importance to every kind of sentiment....all i say is that we don't have patience to watch them now..how many of such movies come now-a-days..1 or 2 or 3 per year ..if we do not care to give attention yes we ought to loose them too..all i say is basically our taste has changed/compelled to change in a chainy system..our mind is so much brain-washed that we are no position to accept and appreciate these kinda movies...Pal, your simple statement confirms that...in that case, no need to pay a little analysis (worry) about our culture at all..
  
  
• From: Counter (@ 208.134.115.240) on: Mon Dec 3 19:16:22 EST 2001
  
  "basically our taste has changed"
  
  Fliflo, Speak for yourself.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.165.13) on: Mon Dec 3 19:52:20 EST 2001
  
  Thanks..if your taste hasn't changed then you're in my side...got a vote
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Dec 3 20:11:48 EST 2001
  
  I find it amusing that the concept of "Culture" can be refracted through the prism of self-indulgence. When one talks about about culture somehow it is always assumed to be "elitist" or "highbrow". But to assume it to be such, is to preclude that the argument for "culture", is necessarily an argument for censorship or purity or some kind of "ethnic" essence.
  
  I am really surprised that a call for legitimate and necessary "dissent" has sprouted so many excuses of "Only enjoyment" "Only Profit" "Only commercial" "Only subjective". While these are all appropriate and perhaps pertinent aspects of the problem - the issue is How Does One Formalise a Vocal Dissent. Say, something like a Class Action Suit to Reinstate Certain Cultural Standards and Fundamentals back into Wholesome, Mass Produced Commercial Art (we do have to acknowledge it to be such - we are not talking Silapathigaram or Manimekalai here).
  
  To simply say: "Basically our taste has changed," to me sounds like a lame bail-out. It is the investigation of how, why and what can we do to prevent further erosion that I am really interested in.
  
  Indhu
  
  
• From: Rehmat (@ 64.105.136.98) on: Mon Dec 3 20:25:00 EST 2001
  
  The general public puts up with all that because to the person next door who is not a discerning listener, it is the 'sound' that matters. It is not difficult to observe that average listeners would be able to hum the tune but would not remember the lyrics. The 'sound' seems to have a great reach and percolates through faster. Coming to TFM, ARR is an intelligent salesman who dislikes being typecast as a 'SPB-SJ' man or whatever, as IR used to be, in the past. He can get away with anything as long as he is saleable and the leading lyricist Vairamuththu cannot muster up enough guts. VM actually did attempt this once, only to later sucker up to ARR with an air of remorse.
  
  
• From: RG (@ 203.199.232.201) on: Mon Dec 3 21:58:36 EST 2001
  
  KR of IR family attributes his usage of hindi voices to the Recording companies, who quote hindi names to sing. As if they are too obedient to the Recording companies and have no sense or brains of their own!
  
  The fact lies that 'next door' people from Kerala and Andra have been promoted for nearly 3 decades and the people have been sensitized to non-native tamil diction in the name of stylish singing.
  
  Now, it has gone to the 'next street' of Mumbai in the same fashion. People are being fooled. This can never happen with the language spirited Malayalees, Andhrites and Maharashtrians (be it singing/acting or anything).
  
  

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