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Ever since ARR entered into the cine field; 2 bad things have happenned

Topic started by naga (@ 209.47.143.226) on Mon Mar 18 15:22:53 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Even since ARR entered into the cine field in 1992 (Was Roja released in 1991 or 92?), 2 worse things have happenned:

1.He was the one who introduced the use of drum machine (samplers) just to be different from IR and other MDs at that time. He wanted to be different to stay in the field and so created songs with a heave influence of western instruments. Being a 'sound engineer' he managed to be successful and now everybody is following him and calling it the 'trend'. He replaced the 'beauty of orchestration' with this new tread.. No catchy tunes, not so great melodies but just rythm... that's the secret of success...and he knew that. Our youngsters fell for it bcos it was different for them. All of us know that majority of young boys and girls listen to western music just for the rythm and for the quality of sound. They can't even understand the meaning of song and of course they don't need to... infact most of the engilsh songs have no lyrical value... That's exactly what ARR wanted to do... why listen to english beats when I can reproduce the same in tamil movies ???! Right...and that's what he did.. very clever and for this he didn't need to have carnatic music knowledge.. He started violating all the ragas, mixing and matching.. did everything.. (ennavae adi ennavale - a good example of killing 'kedharam' -- funny thing is that unni krishnan got national award for that song)...

It's 10 years now and ARR is still in the industry..charging crores of rupees for each movie, made 100 times the money that IR, MSV have made in their career with genuine music...

Where are we going with this 'tread'...... all songs sound the same...Any song can fit into any movie and for any situation...

2. And the second worst thing that has happened is 'tamizh kolai'. After ARR, now anybody can sing.. no need to know the language. Just sing and ARR will adjust it while recording.. what a shame to 'tamizh mozhi'. ARR is the one who started it. Can anyone deny that? Before that singers had some respect. Just listen to SPB, N.Vasudevan, TMS for their 'tamizh ucharippu'. No wonder why MSV and IR kept on giving using them..

Well I do appreaciate that ARR introduced a lot of new singers but how many can speak 'tamizh'. Can ARR justify what he has done to TFM ?

MSV, KVM and IR composed music for the song. ARR composes song for the music and that's the difference. And that's why we can't listen to any new songs after few months... one bad song will replace another bad song..

If this trend goes for another few more years... 'tamizh mozhi' will find a place in the history...

These are some of the 'tamil kolai seidha padalgal'...

chikku bukky raile.. (ARR)
andha arabi kadaloram (ARR)
poovukku porandha nalu (praveen mani) -- only God can help
all songs in parthale paravasam (ARR)

and a lot more... I don't remember them all..
Can anyone add such songs here??

please note that I do like ARR for many good reasons but I cannot forgive him for the above two bad things he did, knowingly or unknowingly to the TFM...

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Responses:

• From: AG (@ 198.232.250.51) on: Mon Mar 18 15:44:02 EST 2002
  
  Naga,
  
  What you said is completely TRUE, just for that reason, nobody would agree with you.
  
  
• From: Sandiren Reddi (@ 158.143.141.87) on: Mon Mar 18 16:33:20 EST 2002
  
  True or not true, the point is that times change, methods change, people change, tastes change...anyone who rebukes change basically end up living in denial and becomes frustrated. Also, i'm not sure what you mean by 'violating all the ragas'. Is that prohibited? Or is it that some people do not accept novelty? Anyone who listens to ennavale would agree that it's one of the best songs of the last decade. You also say '...And that's why we can't listen to any new songs after few months...'. One little question, who's 'we'? Cuz I do listen to his songs all the time.
  
  Last thing...one little analogy - according to one theory, dinosaurs disappeared cuz they failed to adapt to the climate change.
  
  Make whatever you want from that... ;-)
  
  Have a nice day!
  
  
• From: vin (@ 192.128.167.68) on: Mon Mar 18 16:56:44 EST 2002
  
  naga,
  Like you have deduced the simple success formula of ARR 10 years after his Debut,
  I predict that 10 years after ARR retires, you will accept the fact that he is a truly great composer of our times. Take it easy.
  
  
• From: vin (@ 192.128.167.68) on: Mon Mar 18 17:01:34 EST 2002
  
  Correction in previous post,
  Read "Like" as "Unlike".
  
  
• From: Music Follower (@ 161.181.53.10) on: Mon Mar 18 17:13:07 EST 2002
  
  Naga,
  
  Have you ever listened to English songs. If you had you will appreciate the lyrics. Just becos you do not understand it does not mean that Englsh songs have no lyrical value.
  
  MusicFollower
  
  
• From: vem (@ 207.18.199.198) on: Mon Mar 18 17:22:07 EST 2002
  
  it seems music follower knows lot of english - in general those songs are crap - and ever since arr started doing music, english words with no meanings have become galore in tamil songs - the reason is that his songs are good only for children rhymes (like chinna chinna aasai is just jack and jill)......
  
  
• From: naga (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Mon Mar 18 17:47:42 EST 2002
  
  MusicFollower:
  
  I have listened to a variety of english songs and I know what I am talking about. (I just don't call myself a music follower). Pl read my thread. I said 'most of the english songs'. There are a few english songs with good lyrics. But majority of songs that attract youngsters dont have any lyrical value (I can name hundreds of songs that have offensive and bad language in them). It's the rythm that I am talking about. That's the attraction and not the words.
  
  
• From: Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Mon Mar 18 17:48:23 EST 2002
  
  naga and vem:
  Your arguements have no backing!Nobody cares if its a scool rhyme or whatever.If you listen to some music does it bring joy or harmony or whatever you cal it.?!?.If yes then "YES", if no then "NO".
  If you think his music is so easy then why don't any of you guys or whoever who claims this reproduce or follow some thing like that format and make it a HIT!!!
  CAn you do it???
  Thats the million dollar question?
  Besides that, he has given a lot of melodies, and if you have a good ear towards unbiased music then you will probably realise that.(Ex:Uyirum neeye udalum neeye...from pavithra).
  Your claims are besides being childish looks pretty biased too...
  AIMO.
  NOM.
  
  
• From: naga (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Mon Mar 18 17:55:18 EST 2002
  
  Does uyirum neeye have any music? An easy tune well written by vairamathu. First of all, did I say ARR is a bad MD? I said that he made two bad mistakes and everybody is following it.
  
  
• From: Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Mon Mar 18 18:14:34 EST 2002
  
  VEM:
  I would appreciate if you could explain me what this means..
  "He replaced the 'beauty of orchestration' with this new tread.. No catchy tunes, not so great melodies but just rythm... that's the secret of success...and he knew that"
  Your previous answer to my posting is no way near to my questions...
  Am I right?
  
  
• From: Pradeep (@ 170.140.252.152) on: Mon Mar 18 18:43:32 EST 2002
  
  Though Uyirum NeeYe has some decent lyrics, there are abathams like:
  'Kadalum Muzhugum thaayE'..
  Adhenna AyyA? Kadal MuzhugumAmE?
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Mon Mar 18 18:59:14 EST 2002
  
  The only constant is change.
  naga, whatever changes may have taken place after ARR's advent need to be placed next to whatever changes have been taking place in both Tamil Cinema as a whole as well as in society.
  I'd say tat I can see more Tamil kollai in tamil cinema as a whole these days as well as in the Tamil society (eg. Mummy--something i've mentioned before). And talking about changes in the way ARR made "use of drum machine (samplers)" you may want to compare tat wit the other changes directors, and his entire crew have made in terms of the equipment they use. And not to mention, the changes we as the ordinary folks have made in our own lives in the past 10 years.
  Pls dont start talking about labour of love vs jus doing a job, etc etc (statements I've heard often before). Change needs to be expected.
  Obviously some of the songs dont sound the same anymore, but who's to judge which is superior?
  Music Follower, I agree wit u regarding lyric content of english songs. There are beautiful and meaningful songs around, and the songs i'm refering to are not any obscure numbers either, but mainstream hits.
  
  
• From: naga (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Mon Mar 18 19:10:41 EST 2002
  
  Isai priyan:
  
  Orchestration - you need instruments and people. Don't you? If you do a song with majority of music from your keyboard, where is the question of Orchestration? I saw ARR's live show and half of the instrumentalists were faking. Hariharan was lip-syncing. There was orchestra but instrumentalists had nothing to do.
  ARR basically adds music layer by layer. That's why it's hard to reproduce on the stage. He never works with an orchestra as such and in fact he admitted that in an old interview. For the 'beauty of orchetration', listen to 'Aanandha raagam' from panneer pushpangal. Violin will flow like a river and listen to 'engae nimmadi'.. I can tell for sure that 80% of ARR songs are composed with just the key board and the drum bad. A few songs are exceptions, of course.
  
  How many ARR songs have catcy tunes? very few. Most of his songs are rythm oriented. To me, tunes should flow from pallavi, anu pallavi to charanam without changing the tempo. Listen to 'idhazhil kadhai ezhudum' for example. In 'parthale paravasam', can you identify the pallavi and charanam?. You have to listen to it 10 times to understand the lyrics.
  
  Then I didn't know you had a question.
  
  Can I do it?
  No. Why would I do it when I say ARR shouldn't have done it. If I see ARR, I will tell him that his quality of recording is great and I would ask him to use more of indian instruments and less of western instruments. But I know he won't do it because then he will sound like IR -- that's exactly what I meant as secret of success. Being different is always a key for success. But originality ?! No matter what he does, as long as he uses western music in his songs, he can never be original (listen to the 'rap' piece in alaipayuthey intro song). Why did he have to do that?
  
  
  Then I didn't say ARR songs sound like rhymes.
  
  
  ps:I didn't start this thread to bash ARR. I wanted to point out where his (and all other ARR-like MDs) music taking our youngsters to...
  
  
  naga.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.169) on: Mon Mar 18 20:28:48 EST 2002
  
  Let's look at it this way..
  ever since ARR entered:
  
  
  
  1. There r a few ppl who've sat up and thought "Hey, this music is good! maybe we shud listen to Tamil songs more often" (Mua included!)
     
  2. Tamil films have REALLY gone global.
     
  3. Hindi directors have tried Tamil MDs
     
  4. Soooooo many deadly singers have been launched.(Think about it!)
     
  5. Patrotism re-instilled. ;)
     
  6. Mani Ratnam broke his vow :) { this is the 12985648th time i'm saying this :) }
     
  7. We ppl at newtfmpage fot something to fight about :))
     
  
  
  There's more..
  If i write all that My "poi padi da" squad will become over-active! :)
  
  

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