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Has ARR ever been inspired by IR?

Topic started by Responsible_Critic (@ 160.231.1.20) on Wed Feb 21 17:14:21 EST 2001.
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Hi Guys:

Listen to this Telugu Song composed by IR ( I am not sure if this was dubbed in Tamil ) - it's from Surya IPS. This came in 1990

http://64.81.35.203/songs/SuryaIPS_Hattiri.ram

Listen to the Kadhalan Song by ARR ( I am giving the link to telugu version of it - check the tamil one if you want )

http://64.81.35.203/songs/Premikudu_Andamaina.ram

Let the song start, wait and relax to enjoy the similarities.

If there are any such inspirations - let's discuss.

BTW, this thread is not intended to prove that everybody copies from IR. But just curious...

Responsible Critic

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Responses:

• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Feb 21 17:16:47 EST 2001
  
  Responsible critic!
  
  I have showed an example (Bombay theme music)already. Ithu konjam "bejaaraana" topic. But iththaan unmai!
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Wed Feb 21 17:21:25 EST 2001
  
  Most of the songs ARR composed till date have not only been inspired but blatantly copied from IR.
  ARR is just a sound engineer for IR's tunes.
  That too, he takes a hell a lot of time for composing each song.
  He is not fit enough to be a MD let alone the fact he is being compared with IR.
  
  All the above my opinion and not anybody else's
  
  
• From: Responsible_Critic (@ 160.231.1.20) on: Wed Feb 21 17:24:08 EST 2001
  
  Hey Guys:
  
  I want all of you to listen these two songs and comment. Then the discussion becomes more interesting.
  
  Responsible_Critic
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Wed Feb 21 17:27:11 EST 2001
  
  Responsible_critic,
  
  I congratulate you for strating such a thread.Your curious nature is very encouraging.
  
  Einstein considers his curiosity to be one of the main reasons why he became great!!!
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Feb 21 17:32:18 EST 2001
  
  RC;
  
  Actually, the topic heading says has ARR ""ever"" been inspired? I think answers of mine and Trend fit nicely for that.
  
  Trend; First Over First Balle Sixera?? Kalakunga
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Wed Feb 21 17:42:13 EST 2001
  
  Digression:
  Fliflo,
  
  I always enjoy your postings.Your posting have mostly been a revelation to me.
  
  "Trend; First Over First Balle Sixera?? Kalakunga"
  
  I don't like it when praises me for something.But if it was said in a sarcastic way,I will take that as a compliment.Thanks.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Feb 21 17:59:37 EST 2001
  
  Well; ARR is not only inspired by IR, but by MSV too;
  
  Example:
  
  Kattre en vasal vandhay tune of "Rythm" is an inspiration of Aagaya Pandhalile Ponnunjal Aaduthamma from Ponnunjal.
  
  I give the sites just check from there
  
  http://songs.swaramalika.com/cgi-bin/media/search.cgi?lang=tamil&film=Ponunjal&exact=1
  
  http://songs.swaramalika.com/cgi-bin/media/search.cgi?lang=tamil&film=Rhythm&exact=1
  
  More to follow
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: RC (@ 160.231.1.20) on: Wed Feb 21 18:00:57 EST 2001
  
  Hey Guys:
  
  Please comment about the similarities.
  
  RC
  
  
• From: RC (@ 160.231.1.20) on: Wed Feb 21 18:01:12 EST 2001
  
  Hey Guys:
  
  Please comment about the similarities in the mentioned songs.
  
  RC
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Feb 21 18:16:24 EST 2001
  
  Kathelennum + Roja ..Roja. tunes of "Kadhalar dinam" is a direct lift from an interlude vocal piece of Chippiirukkuthu Muthumirikkuthu Thirandhu Parka Neramilladi Rajatthi...of "varumayin Noram Sivappu"
  
  Kodutha Sandhangalil..En-manathai..Nee-Ariya Naanuraippen ..Kamal sings the line
  
  
• From: SL (@ 207.82.165.242) on: Wed Feb 21 19:19:40 EST 2001
  
  kAtrE en vAsal vanthAi is a typical IR santham, you could feel it the very first time you heard the song. There is actually a Telugu number sung by Chitra & SPB (composed by IR) in the very same metre.
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Thu Feb 22 09:28:35 EST 2001
  
  guys,
  the latest anil kapoor starrer 1,2 ka 4 is by ARR. there's a song that reminds me greatly of "kelakku sevakkayile" from Seevalaperi Pandi.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Thu Feb 22 10:06:10 EST 2001
  
  Guys, have you ever wrote a thesis/project/paper all with all 100% of you ideas?. Is it ever possible? We are influenced knowingly and unknowingly by works done before. We add our contribution to it. Every one cant sit back keep inventing the wheel.
  
  one to one copy is bad its like copying word by word. Please, but dont complain strains and traces.
  
  
• From: RC (@ 160.231.1.20) on: Thu Feb 22 10:10:32 EST 2001
  
  KK:
  
  How about the mentioned two songs? Do u see any similarities? I started this thread to discuss about the inspiritations but looks like it's going in derogatory sense.
  
  RC
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Feb 22 10:18:59 EST 2001
  
  kk;
  
  examle konjam copy adichchalum copy....copy thaan.
  Paalile oru thuli visham kalandhaalum athu vishamthaan..Paalille.....This is just a discussion and nothing serious anyway.
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Feb 22 10:22:52 EST 2001
  
  RC;
  
  I felt, as Trend pointed out, the starting beats were looking almost the same except that ARR's is technically more engineered. May fall in inspiration category but not heavily, I suspect.
  
  
• From: sats (@ 139.177.224.100) on: Thu Feb 22 10:33:49 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo
  
  indha madhiri oru thread kedacha ungalku alva sapadra madhirinu nenakaren
  
  pugundhu veladureenga
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Feb 22 10:42:08 EST 2001
  
  sats;
  
  vera onnumille! Madras pitch "India"vukku favorite Pitch maathiri....Intha topic namma favorite topic...Appidiye vutta oru Double Century Adikkalaam...
  
  
• From: SK (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Thu Feb 22 11:50:40 EST 2001
  
  Flifo,
  You have mentined that "konjam copy adichchalum copy....copy thaan.
  Paalile oru thuli visham kalandhaalum athu vishamthaan..Paalille..."
  
  I have been taking to you in ARR vs IR and I find you here too. "Yengum Nirainthavan(val)".
  
  Okay, if what you said is true then the same applies to IR too. See my example is in that conversation http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/24640.09.06.29.html
  
  Regarding Roja...Roja song. Let me tell you what ever my little brain has thought.
  The Song of MSV "Sippy irukkudhu muththum irukkudhu" starts in a completely different note and ends in a totally different note from the starting note. Right. ARR's song (Roja ..Roja) starts with the note with which the previous song ended and this song blossoms like anything and it is actually a very good song. For this song again, the start is some thing and the middle portions is very different from the start as the MSV's song which I have mentioned. The similarity is that the end of MSV's song is the start of ARR's song. Both have a completely different body all together.
  
  When I listened to ARR song, I felt astonished to see how he has taken the end portion of a great song and made it a start portion of a new very good song, which I think was a hit all thru the year. I felt happy to see the small thread of link between these two songs. This is what I call it a s improvisation. You take a exsisting piece put your 80% into it and make it new. Every creator creates in this way (including IR -- hope I am not offending)
  
  How about "YErumayil YEriviLaiyadum Mugam Ondru" and "ManKuile Poonkuile sedhi onnu kelu". You might call this a copy, I will say that it is an improvisation (I am a IR fan too).
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Feb 22 12:14:14 EST 2001
  
  Well; Many times a MD has lots of struggle in bringing out a totally different tune from their great brains and just pluck a bit from somewhere.
  As I argued earlier, different people call that in different ways. But if the song resembles the already exisiting song, it loses its originality (whether it is IR or anybody else). FYI, top MD's don't copy altogether as then they would go down to Deva.
  
  
• From: comment (@ 63.225.173.254) on: Thu Feb 22 12:35:36 EST 2001
  
  fliflo...who is a top MD ?...how do you gauge this ?
  
  
• From: Sridhar (@ 209.64.21.132) on: Thu Feb 22 12:39:25 EST 2001
  
  SK
  Roja Roja song is a copy of 'Poove Poove Soalai poove' in Varumaiyin Niram Sivappu'. This is a Hindi Song Sridevi Sings in a stage, originally it starts with hindi at the end she will finish with Tamil words.
  
  
• From: RC (@ 160.231.1.20) on: Thu Feb 22 13:07:13 EST 2001
  
  Sridhar:
  
  That's right. Keep it going.
  
  RC
  
  
  
• From: pg (@ 12.20.190.1) on: Thu Feb 22 13:10:39 EST 2001
  
  The rOjA rOjA rOja is a direct lift of
  
  ennai vittAl yArumillai kaNmaNiyE un kai aNaikka from nALai namadhE.
  
  This is the same tune as 'poovE poovE sOlai poovE' from v.n.s (both by MSV).
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Feb 22 13:38:58 EST 2001
  
  who's the top MD? How do you gauge....
  
  good question! you can change the word " top MDs" as "the so called top MDs". Hope this clarifies my stand!!
  
  konjam kuzhappamthaaan
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Feb 22 13:43:30 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  
  Do you mean to say the so called top MD's are not the real top MD's?Why is that?
  Who are in the two categories?
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Feb 22 13:45:55 EST 2001
  
  pg:
  
  that was a good piece of info.
  
  kuttaya kilara kilara.........minjudhu.
  
  
• From: RC (@ 160.231.1.20) on: Thu Feb 22 13:49:30 EST 2001
  
  There's a thin line between inspiration and copying. It's not coincidence. I have some good examples of how MDs takes an existing song and just play/ochestrate it in different raaga to churn out a new tune but the notes were same.
  Go and listen to a PurandaraDas keerthana composed in behag raag "dhooruma"...you will understand from where the Kannamoochi charanam and Kandukonde pallavi comes...I will give you the links...in my next posting till then you need not agree on this point - OK:-))
  
  No offense, even IR gets inspired. Listen to the following song in Hindi:
  Singer : Rafi
  Movie : ChitraLekha
  Song : Man Re Tu Kahe Na
  YOu can find this song at
  http://www.hindigeet.com/rafi.htm
  
  Listen to Bharathi Song
  Nitpadhuve - Harish Raghavendar
  
  The flute and violin runs have good similarities.
  It's not the inspiration as to what other MDs gets. But IR imported the mood. But the tempo and notes are different. But still you can find the similarities. Listen to the orchestration of the hindi song specially the interludes of both.
  
  What do you Say? What's the authenticity? I say your ears and how clearly you catch the mood.
  
  Again I am just curious.
  
  Anyway who cares so long the music is melodious and good - isn't it?
  
  RC
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Feb 22 14:51:52 EST 2001
  
  RC,
  
  We have deviated a lot.Let's stick to this thread's topic which reads "Has ARR been inspired by IR?".
  If you want to talk about IR getting inspired by anybody else I think it should be discussed in a separate thread.If I were u,I wouldn't start a new thread!!!
  
  

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