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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 2: Kaadhal Paadalgal

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Thu Jul 9 16:00:26 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just Kaadhal Paadalgal for this thread. Let's roll.

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Responses:

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• From: Radha Sanjay (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Mon Jul 13 23:22:58 EDT 1998
  
  From the movie "Vazhkkai" the following song
  seems to be very romantic
  
  Male:kalam maralam nam kaadhal marumo, thadaigal thondrum pothum thalaivi parvai pothum
  inivarum
  Female :kalam maralam nam kaadhal marumo, thadaigal thondrum pothum thalaivan patham pothum
  inivarum kalam maralam nam kathal marumo
  
  Male: Kalam ennum theratchi nam irandu oodangal.
  Female:vazhnthu kattum nam vazhkai vaiyagathin padangal
  Male : enthan kaigalal unnai mooduven
  unnai kakkave mannil vazhuven.
  vazhum kalam yavum maidiyil saynthal pothum
  tholgalil thoongum parijatha
  inivarum.......
  
  
• From: Prakash Balarkrishnan (@ gate3.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Tue Jul 14 10:32:29 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Udhaya,
  
  IMHO The song from Thural Ninnu pochchu is by KaNNadhasan. Please clarify that.
  
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ dante.cs.wmich.edu) on: Tue Jul 14 11:29:37 EDT 1998
  
  Prakash it is by VM
  
  Udhaya 'mazhaiyum neeye'is not by VM but , yes u guessed it rite,Pulamaipithan.(VMuthu didnt write any song in this film)
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate6.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Tue Jul 14 11:49:58 EDT 1998
  
  Udhya & others FYI,
  
  The story behind "ILLamaik KaLangaL" .
  Initially R.Soundarajan started the work and later His buddy K.Rangaraj was the director. Nothing worked out and the producer Kovai Thambi asked ManivaNNan to direct that film. ManivaNNan wrote the story and setup the scenes based on the songs written for that movie. Later he added 2 "dappankuththu" which were written fresh.
  
  Same kind of thing happend for another film
  "ingEyum oru gangai" again by ManivaNNan.
  
  Ramki,
  Are you sure that VM didn't write songs for Azhagan??
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate4.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Tue Jul 14 11:55:16 EDT 1998
  
  Udaya,
  
  I think
  N-ila Kaikiradhu, N-Eram thEigkiradhu...
  
  from the film Indira is not a love song.If I am correct, the song was sung by the child Indira when her father was wild and Arvind Swamy again sung the same song to condole Indira when she become wild about the "jaathi saaNdai".
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ dante.cs.wmich.edu) on: Tue Jul 14 13:04:05 EDT 1998
  
  Prakash yes iam
  
  
  I like this song of VMuthu on kaadhal tholvi.
  
  Vellai pura ondru ponadhu kaiyil varamaalae
  mudhal ezhuthu thai mozhiyil
  thalai ezhuthu yaar mozhiyil
  en vazhkkai vaanveliyil
  
  
  paadha suvadu thedi thedi kaalgal oyndhu ponadhae
  naalum azhudhu theerthadhalae kangal yezhaiyanadhae(very nice line)
  thalai vidhi enum varthai indru
  kavalaikku marundhaanadhae(how true)
  bedhangalae vazhumvarai
  sogangalae kaadhal kadhai
  kargaala malargalum ennodu thallaadum
  
  neeyum naanum serndha podhu kodai kooda margazhi
  pirindha pinbu poovum ennai suduvadhenne kaadhali
  thuduppizhindha kaadhal odam
  dhisai marandhadhu paingili
  pogum vazhi nooranandhae
  kannerinaal seraanadhae
  illadha uravukku naan seiyyum abhishegam
  
  I rate this song as one of his bests..
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ isdbsd1-inet.ci.mil.wi.us) on: Tue Jul 14 14:40:20 EDT 1998
  
  More VM:
  
  Rustic ("vedichu nikkara paruthi") and rather raunchy, this depiction of lovers, from Kizhakku Cheemayile, again stands out for vivid imagery like "paruvam somandu varum paavaadaith thaamaraiyae".
  
  aththaikkup pirandhavalae aalaagi ninravalae
  paruvam somandu varum paavaadaith thaamaraiyae
  pattaamboochchi pidiththaval dhaavanikku vandhadheppoa
  moonraambiraiyae nee muzhu nelavaanadheppoa
  mounaththil neeyirundhaa yaaraiththaan kaetpadheppoa
  
  aaththangara maramae arasamara ilaiyae aalamarak kilaiyae adhilurangum kiliyae
  oadakkara ozhavukaattula oruththi yaaru iva vedichchi nikkura paruththi
  thaavivandhu sandaiyidum andha mugamaa dhaavanikku vandha oru nandhavanamaa
  ulla sondham enna vittup poagaadhu ada oadaththanni upputh thanni aagaadhu
  
  maamanae onnath thaangaama ottiyil soarum pongaama
  paavi naan paruththi naaraap poanaenae
  kaagamdhaan kaththip poanaalum kadhavudhaan saththampoattaalum
  oammugam paakka oadi vandhaenae
  oththaiyil oadakkaraiyoaram kaththiyae ompaer sonnaenae
  oththaiyil oadum rayiloaram kaththiyae ompaer sonnaenae
  andha rayil dhooram poanadhum naeram aanadhum kanneer vittaenae
  muththu maamaa enna vittup poagaadhae - en
  oththa usiru poanaa meendum vaaraadhae
  
  dhaavanip ponnae sogandhaanaa thangamae thazhumbum sogandhaanaa
  paaraiyil chinnap paadham sogandhaanaa
  thottapoo ellaam sogandhaanaa thodaadha poovum sogandhaanaa
  thoappula joadi marangal sogandhaanaa
  aiththayum maamanum sogandhaanaa aaththula meenum sogandhaanaa
  annamae unnaiyum ennaiyum thookki valarththa thinnaiyum sogandhaanaa
  maamambonnae machcham paarththu naalaachchu - om
  machchaanukku mayilap pasuvu thoadhaachchu
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ isdbsd1-inet.ci.mil.wi.us) on: Tue Jul 14 14:41:57 EDT 1998
  
  More VM:
  
  Rustic ("vedichu nikkara paruthi") and rather raunchy, this depiction of lovers, from Kizhakku Cheemayile, again stands out for vivid imagery like "paruvam somandu varum paavaadaith thaamaraiyae".
  
  aththaikkup pirandhavalae aalaagi ninravalae
  paruvam somandu varum paavaadaith thaamaraiyae
  pattaamboochchi pidiththaval dhaavanikku vandhadheppoa
  moonraambiraiyae nee muzhu nelavaanadheppoa
  mounaththil neeyirundhaa yaaraiththaan kaetpadheppoa
  
  aaththangara maramae arasamara ilaiyae aalamarak kilaiyae adhilurangum kiliyae
  oadakkara ozhavukaattula oruththi yaaru iva vedichchi nikkura paruththi
  thaavivandhu sandaiyidum andha mugamaa dhaavanikku vandha oru nandhavanamaa
  ulla sondham enna vittup poagaadhu ada oadaththanni upputh thanni aagaadhu
  
  maamanae onnath thaangaama ottiyil soarum pongaama
  paavi naan paruththi naaraap poanaenae
  kaagamdhaan kaththip poanaalum kadhavudhaan saththampoattaalum
  oammugam paakka oadi vandhaenae
  oththaiyil oadakkaraiyoaram kaththiyae ompaer sonnaenae
  oththaiyil oadum rayiloaram kaththiyae ompaer sonnaenae
  andha rayil dhooram poanadhum naeram aanadhum kanneer vittaenae
  muththu maamaa enna vittup poagaadhae - en
  oththa usiru poanaa meendum vaaraadhae
  
  dhaavanip ponnae sogandhaanaa thangamae thazhumbum sogandhaanaa
  paaraiyil chinnap paadham sogandhaanaa
  thottapoo ellaam sogandhaanaa thodaadha poovum sogandhaanaa
  thoappula joadi marangal sogandhaanaa
  aiththayum maamanum sogandhaanaa aaththula meenum sogandhaanaa
  annamae unnaiyum ennaiyum thookki valarththa thinnaiyum sogandhaanaa
  maamambonnae machcham paarththu naalaachchu - om
  machchaanukku mayilap pasuvu thoadhaachchu
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-3.cisco.com) on: Tue Jul 14 14:49:07 EDT 1998
  
  Prakash Balakrishnan
  thOORal ninnupp pOchchu song (thangach changili) is by VM.
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate2.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Tue Jul 14 15:43:49 EDT 1998
  
  Ramki, Pagalavan
  Thanks for your info.
  
  More KaNNadhasan..
  peNNukku erpadum kadhalAl erpadum uNarchigaL
  Film:- Mattukara vElan.
  Singer:- TMS.
  Situation:- Hope You all know about the story.. One MGR (Velan not our NOV) discribes to another MGR (Lawyer) that how Jaya revealed her feelings..
  Song:- oru pakkam parkirAL,
  
  oru pakkam parkura,
  oru kaNNa saikira
  ...
  udhatai kadichukkittu meduvaga sirikkira, Sirikira...
  
  ....
  kalalE N-ilathilE kolam pottu kattura
  kambi potta jannalilE kannathai thEikira
  unna pol ennai eNNi N-irkkira, N-imirura,
  N-enjaithan thalattura..
  
  evvaLavu simple-a thOOL kiLapura pattai ezhuthi irukkirar KaNNadhasan.
  
  More Later..
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ wlib077.wmlib.wmich.edu) on: Tue Jul 14 15:59:23 EDT 1998
  
  prakash 'oru pakkam parkkiraal'is by Vaali.As far as i know MGR and kannadasan didnt work together after late 60s.
  
  
• From: Test (@ spider-ti014.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jul 14 21:37:31 EDT 1998
  
  Test
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Jul 14 23:01:54 EDT 1998
  
  Ramki:
  
  oru pakkam paakkuRaa from Maattukkaara
  Velan is by Kannadhasan. Even after breaking away
  from MGR, K did write a few songs for MGR movies.
  This is one of them.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ spider-tc064.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jul 14 23:23:17 EDT 1998
  
  Friends,
  
  Posting on behalf of Kanchana.
  
  So Thanks to Bhaskar for his timely Help!! :-))))
  
  I presented a brief overview of kaNNadhAsanin kAdhal kavidhaigaL in the last page. Checking out VM here using the same classification as before....
  
  vairamuththuvin kAdhal pAdalgaL: An Overview
  Part I: thalaivi siRappu uraiththal/ varNanai
  
  Here are some unique metaphors and similis from uzhaithu vAzha vENdum, which are quite original:
  pAvai suttu viral thottu vidath thottu vida
  mEjai mottu vidalAm
  pAdham patta maNNaip pottalaththil katti vaiththu
  Elam ittu vidalAm
  
  From thAikku oru thAlAttu, he sees her in nature:
  neerOdaiyin Osaiyil undhan pEraik kEtkiREn
  poonjOlaiyin pookkaLil unnai nAnum pArkiREn
  
  From dhEvarAgam, a classical varNanai in Jayachandran's mellifluous voice:
  karuniRa vaNdugaL un kuzhalgaL
  undhan netRi mugaththin aNigalangaL
  mARanin ambugaL iru puruvam
  neelORpanangaL un vizhigaL
  
  ...
  ...
  mandhiram solli vaNangach cheyyum
  shri mahAlakshmi nee dEvasundari
  
  From kizhakkuch cheemaiyilE, he compares her to a piece of a rainbow:
  vAnavillin thuNdondRu
  maNNil vandhu
  yArukkum sollAmal peNNAnadhE
  
  From duet, one of my favorite varNanais from VM:
  anjali pEraich chonnEn avizhndhadhu mullaiyE
  kArththigai mAdham pOnAl kadumazhai illaiyE
  kaNmaNi nee illaiyEl kavidhaigaL illaiyE **
  nee enna nilavOdu piRandhavaLA
  poovukkuL karuvAgi malarndhavaLA
  anjali anjali ennuyirk kAdhali
  
  In this song from May mAdham, even as they are wondering about the miracle of love, they describe each other tenderly:
  en mEl vizhundha mazhaith thuLiyE
  iththanai nALAi engirundhAi?
  indRu ezhudhiya en kaviyE
  iththanai nALAi engirundhAi?
  ennai mayakkiya mellisaiyE
  iththanai nALAi engirundhAi?
  ennai ezhuppia poongAtRE
  iththanai nALAi engirundhAi?
  
  In Jeans, a well-executed "uyarvu naviRchi aNi":
  koduththu vaiththa poovE poovE
  avaL koondhal maNam solvAyO
  [the other lines in this verse are simplistic.]
  
  
  In Jeans, a poetic description reminiscent of thirukkuRaL:
  otRaik kAlilE pookkaL niRpadhum
  un koodhalil nindRadaththAn
  poomAlaiyE pooch choodavA
  
  Part II: kAdhal siRappu uraiththal
  In natpu, a mere paper is transformed into a flower since it contains love:
  adhikAlai subhavELai un Olai vandhadhu
  kAdhal sonna kAgidham poovAip pOnadhu
  vAnil pOna dhEvadhai vAzhththu sonnadhu
  oru thaththai kadidhaththai than nenjukkuL vasikka
  
  In paruvarAgam, some yong students sing their love anthem:
  kAdhal illai endRu sonnAl
  bhoomiyum ingillai
  kAdhal indRi yArum ingillai
  
  vAliba uLLangaL--ada
  kAdhalai vellungaL
  vAnavillil oonjal kattungaL
  
  In isai pAdum thendRal, he is caught in the embroidery of the handkerchief given by her, much the same way as he is imprisoned by her love:
  Heroine:
  chinna chinna noolgaLil pookkaL varaindhEn
  ennai vaiththu nAn adhil pinniyirundhEn
  kAdhal idhayam thandhu mudichchEn
  kaNNin imaiyAl thandhi adichchEn
  
  
  Hero:
  pinni mudiththa noolgaLukkuL nAn
  sikkith thaviththEn sikkith thaviththEn
  sikkal eduththEn
  
  In vEdham pudhidhu, she talks about the permanence of her love:
  ennenna thadai vandha pOdhum
  kAdhal iRappadhillai
  mEgangaL pozhigindRa veLLam
  vAnaththai nanaippadhillai
  ...
  dhEvanE kAththiruppEn
  theeyilE pooththiruppEn
  jenmangaL thodarndhiruppEn
  
  In kizhakku cheemaiyilE, they are wondering at the magical concept of love:
  nee endRum nAn endRum iru vArththai ondRAgi
  nAmendRa Or vArththai uNdAnadhE
  ..
  kAdhal endRa mandhiraththin mAyam enna
  kallukkuLLum ippOdhu poovAnadhE
  
  in duet, one of my favorite verses emoted very well by SPB (and cited by Bharat before):
  kAdhal vandhu theeNdum varai iruvarum thaniththani
  kAdhalin pon sangili iNaiththadhu paingiLi
  kadalilE mazhai veezhndhapin endha tthuLi mazhaiththuLi
  kAdhalil adhupOla nAn kalandhittEn kAdhali
  
  In duet again, he explains how his love is not based on superficialities and is eternal:
  niRam kaNdu mugam kaNdA
  nEsam koNdEn?
  avaL nizhal kaNdu nizhal kaNdE
  nAn pAsam koNdEn!
  ..
  aNdamellAm viNdu pOgum
  koNda kAdhal koLgai mARAdhu!
  
  In bombay, she expresses her wonderment at the feeling their togetherness brings:
  nAn karumpARai pala thANdi kAtRAga vandhEn
  kaNNA un mugam pArkkavE
  adadA adadA indRu kaNNeerum thiththikkindRadhE
  
  In this song, he explains how uNmaikkAdhal includes kAmam but goes beyond:
  Heroine:
  kANAdha anbai nAn indRu kaNdEn
  kAyangaL ellAm poovAga
  
  Hero:
  kAmangaL mattum en kAdhal alla
  kaNdEnE unaith thAyAga
  
  In Jeans, they wonder about the overall miracle of love with a child-like innocence:
  kal thOndRi maN thOndRi
  kadal thOndRum munnAlE
  uNdAna kAdhal adhisayam
  ...
  udalukkuL uyirum enguLLadhenbadhum
  uyirukkuL kAdhal nguLLadhenbadhum
  ninaiththAl ninaiththAl adhisayamE
  
  In Jeans, the birds and the breeze face a failure in love, as she falls in love with him (innocent again):
  cherry pookkaLaith thirudum kAtRu
  kAdhil sonnadhu "I love you"
  cypress marangaLil thAvum paRavai
  kAdhil sonnadhu "I love you"
  un kAdhalai nee sonnadhum
  thendRalum paRavaiyum
  kAdhal thOlviyil kalangiyadhE!
  
  nEtRu illAdha mAtRam has already been mentioned--one of VM's better kAdhal pAdalgaL.
  
  
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ spider-tc064.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jul 14 23:27:07 EDT 1998
  
  
  
  Posting on behalf of Kanchana
  
  Part III: pirivu Ekkam
  
  In OdangaL, they are expressing the effects of separation:
  Hero:
  indhak kAdhal Oviyaththaik kANAmal
  endhan kaNgaL thurup pidikkak kaNdEnE [?!!]
  
  Heroine:
  undhan geedha vArththaigaLaik kEtkAmal
  sila kAlam sevi izhandhu pOnEnE
  
  In kizhakkuch cheemaiyilE, she explains how she is pining away for him:
  mAmanE unnaik kANAmal
  vattilil sORum uNgAmal [nalla nAttuppuRa vArththaigaL]
  pAvi nAn paruththi nArA(i)p pOnEnE
  
  In kAdhalan, she bids the breeze to carry her locks to remind him of their togetherness the previous day (neo-classical style?):
  kAtRuk kudhiraiyilE en kArkuzhal thoodhu vittEn
  adhu nEtRu nadandhadhanai un nenjil ezhudhattumE!
  
  
  In bombay, she is wishing to get at least a word with him so the pain in heart would go way:
  vAi pEsavE vAippillaiyE
  vali theera vazhi ennavO?
  
  In minsArak kanavu he is pining away for her at heart metaphorically:
  paRakkum vaNdugaL poovil koodum kArkAlam
  kanaikkum thavaLai thuNaiyaich chErkkum kArkAlam
  pirindha kuyilum pEdai thEdum kArkAlam
  pirindhirukkum uyirai ellAm piNaiththu vaikkum kArkAlam!
  
  Part IV: pirivuth thuyar
  In sindhu bhairavi, the hero is shedding tears for the love lost...
  poo mAlai vAngi vandhAn pookkaL illaiyE
  sevi illai ingoru isai edhaRku
  vizhiyillai ingoru viLakkedhaRku
  nALum avaL ninaivil ivan azhudhu
  
  In idhayakkOyil, the hero is asking "nAn pAdum mounarAgam ktkavillaiyA":
  kaNgaL ennum sOlaiyil kAdhal vAngi vandhEn
  vAngi vandha pinbuthAn sAbam endRu kaNdEn
  en sAbam theeravE neeyum illaiyE
  en sOgam pAdavE rAgam illaiyE
  
  In rOjA, the entire Nature reminds him of her:
  thendRal vandhu theNdinAl sElai theeNdum gnAbagam
  chinnap pookkaL pArkkaiyil dhEgam pArththa gnAbagam
  veLLiyOdai pEsinAl pEsum vArththai gnAbagam
  reNdu mEgam sErgayil mOgam koNda gnAbagam
  
  
  In thirudA thirudA, he is watching her walk away from him in this nAttuppuRap pAdal [one of my VM/ARR favorites]:
  nAn thandha malligaiyai nattAththil pOttu vittu
  araLip pooch choodi azhudhapadi pORavaLE [good metaphor]
  ...
  andhak kazhuththOrath thEmalaiyum kAdhOra machchathaiyum
  pA(r)ppadheppO.......powrNamiyum vAradheppO
  andhak kolusu maNich chirippum komari iLam sirippum
  kEppadheppO.....keeraththaNdu poopadheppO
  
  karuvElankAttukkuLLE karichchAn kuruvi oNNu
  sudhi mARIk kaththudhammA thUnaiyaththAn kANOmunnu
  
  In duet, he is intensely waiting for her:
  pAl mazhaikkuk kAththirukkum bhoomi illaiyA
  vArththai varak kAththirukkum kavignan illaiyA
  kaNNeeril thee vaLarththuk kAththirukkiREn
  un kAladith thadaththil nAn pooththirukkiREn
  
  In indhirA, he expresses the emotional void that opens in front of him without her:
  adhO pOgiRadhu kAnal mEgam
  mazhaiyum sEravillaiyE
  idhO kEtkiRadhu kuyilin sOgam
  isaiyum kEtkavillaiE
  indha bhoomiyE seedhanam
  adhil jeevanE pOvadhEn?
  
  In dhevarAgam, she is yearning for the old times:
  kadandha kAlangaL
  padam pOdum gnAbagangaL
  idhaya vAsalil azhyAdha kOlangaL
  adhai eNNiththAn adhai eNNiththAn azhudhEnE!
  
  
  

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