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Rahman - Vairamuthu Conflict

Topic started by Nandini (@ 203.195.181.126) on Mon Jul 1 12:30:00 EDT 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

everyone said that after that kandokondEn audio release function VM and ARR would not work together, VM not writing for thenali, rahman has opted new lyricists and so....

but they made it a false news by working for Rythm, Kannathil and Baba.

now its a serious one.
rahman has given an interview in kumudham.
a nice one.
so very interesting.
about bombay dreams,
about next projects and all.

he has openly said the problems between him and VM and would not be working with him here on.
just that one was shocking 'cas ARR has never given such a statement before.

can some one fwd any link to that kumudham page ?

the reasons rahman has listed are,

1) he had to send tunes from london thru phone
and VM was not interested and wanted rahman
to be here which is not possible for him.

2) he also said that VM wanted to do all songs
and was not interested in working with other
lyricist in the same movie.

so he said it would not be possible for both to work together. he also has mentioned VM has contributed a lot to the industry.

there was already a news in Hindu that VM alone was not interested in the making of songs for baba, where all others including rajni were impressed with rahman.

who is going to get affected more by this seperation, rahman or vairamuthu ?

its a fact 15 yrs back when vairamuthu came out of IR he was so much pulled down, he almost had no films to work with and was writing dialogues to dubbing movies and survived with chandrabose like MDs until arrival of ARR.

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Responses:

• From: Kumar (@ 209.29.173.113) on: Mon Jul 1 19:49:53 EDT 2002
  
  Hi,
  
  It won't bother to VM. Rightnow ARR is lost.
  VM has Vidyasagar, Manisharma,Bharathwaj & Many more (You never know, YSR could work with him).
  
  1990's raja was king. 2000's there are lots of talented MD.
  For sure VM will be in stable.
  
  
• From: ST (@ 24.42.166.12) on: Mon Jul 1 21:35:02 EDT 2002
  
  I don't understand why ARR wants many lyricst when all his successful movies were done by VM. He has already lost his stand in tamil without VM. People will allways compare ARR's new songs with old ones and he will allways been looking for new lyricst.
  
  
• From: Maamaa (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Mon Jul 1 21:50:28 EDT 2002
  
  If the above is true, then we can all bid farewell to Vairam. Poor guy. He should have used his mouth for better things.
  
  I hope ARR really looks for a completely new lyricist to give TFM a new breath of air. Once ARR does it, all other MDs will follow suit.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Tue Jul 2 02:26:23 EDT 2002
  
  IR was not the loser when IR-VM seperation happened. I guess, same would be the case for ARR-VM seperation (if happens). In the earlier case VM was the loser, lets see what would happen if ARR-VM seperation happens. My guess is definitely ARR will NOT be the loser.
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Tue Jul 2 03:59:13 EDT 2002
  
  VM will also be not the loser. As ARR does only 3 to 4 films an year, this will not have much of an impact to VM. But yes, VM might not be able to dream a run-away hits that happened for him with ARR or the National Award that he ahs got 3 in numbers (out of 4) with ARR as MD.
  
  
• From: sats (@ 139.177.224.101) on: Tue Jul 2 11:17:05 EDT 2002
  
  Live and let live , idhu VM ku theriyaliye if Kannadasam or any other noted lyricist who were there during the time of VM debut he would have never made it to this.Mathavanga chancee thatti parichitu dhan munneranumnu VM nenaikardhu rombo thappu.
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.39) on: Tue Jul 2 11:34:48 EDT 2002
  
  r u sure if all the claims r true??
  
  remember it's a TAMIL MAGAZINE! ;)
  
  
• From: ??? (@ 64.228.117.58) on: Tue Jul 2 12:01:36 EDT 2002
  
  Mmm...interesting situation. I have a feeling that neither really is to blame. People sort of fall apart at times...you can't always find fault. Just happens. So my humble opinion is that we really shouldn't carry on trying to blame one or the other. Maybe, the two don't understand one other. I have a feeling next weeks Kumudam will carry Vairamuthu's version of the story.
  
  
• From: Nandini (@ 203.195.193.170) on: Tue Jul 2 12:53:05 EDT 2002
  
  i dont think VM would leave a statement on this.
  except for kaadhal dhEsam rahman has not given big hits without VM. but its for sure that VM would lose ARR who has beautified his lyrics better than any one in the past 2 decades. i personally feel, VM is right to one extent. his feeling was that only one lyric writer must pen to a movie, he never said it must be him. this was in an interview in the same kumudham 3 years back. will ARR accept to a movie in which deva, barathwaj, SA Rajkumar, sirpy and barany each compose one song and the sixth song would be done by ARR. obviously no. if one can say you wont need one lyric writer for the whole movie, you wont need one MD for one movie the same way. deva will do the gaana song BW will do the melody, ARR wud do the western number and so...
  
  
• From: x (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Tue Jul 2 14:16:09 EDT 2002
  
  Here is what we don't see.
  
  It's not the MDs who prefer VM. It's the directors! See, mani rathnam, bharathi raja cannot work without VM and that's one of the reasons why they left IR, bcos IR did not want to work with VM. Now since ARR is not with VM, both MR and BR going to have problems. Will they give up ARR for VM or VM for ARR?
  
  
• From: p (@ 207.188.29.248) on: Tue Jul 2 14:30:46 EDT 2002
  
  http://www.kumudam.com/kumudam/kweekly/pg4.html
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.44.153) on: Tue Jul 2 17:31:11 EDT 2002
  
  I must say ARR won't be affected one bit. Now i have a feeling split between IR-VM was due to VM not IR. VR is having superiority complex. He tries to be another KKD.
  
  
• From: ravi (@ 24.100.203.19) on: Tue Jul 2 17:41:34 EDT 2002
  
  It is too early to say, I never trusted Kumudam. They create their own story.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.66.199.250) on: Tue Jul 2 19:23:23 EDT 2002
  
  The only thing that has held back ARR from supremacy is his choice of singers and the single lyricist limitation. That VM was the reason for his success is absurd. Just listen to Kaadhal Desam, Kaadhalar Dhinam and Thenali.
  
  I hope ARR brings as many lyricists to the industry as he does new singers, and I hope they can all write good Thamizh. Now, free from VM's monopoly maybe underutilized talents like Kuruvikkarambai Shanmugam, Mu.Mehtha, Muthulingam, Arivumathi, and Thamarai can shine and so can Thamizh in TFM free of ridiculous English phrases.
  
  I've been hoping for divine intervention to render me free of words like "echi" and "vaervai". And overused cliches like "un swasathai swaasikkiraen" and "thuppattaavil thookku" and metaphoric violence: posukkaathae, nasukkaathae, kollaathe, aruvaamaniyil arukkaathae, please. Enough is enough. Time for someone new.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ 64.228.117.163) on: Tue Jul 2 22:39:32 EDT 2002
  
  Udhaya,
  I agree with everything you said except for the examples you gave:-) Kaadhalar Dinam, Kaathal Desam and [Thenali!!!]. Neither the lyrics nor the music were anywhere near ARR's calibre. Never mind that "Mustafa Mustafa" was popular all over but popularity and quality don't always come together. I mean, "pOda pOda punnaaku"(Please excuse me for this example) was extremely popular when it came out. Those 3 films you mentioned had music that became popular, first 2 especially, but they were mediocre in terms of lyrics (and music). Can they come near a Roja or Uyire or even Thiruda Thiruda. ARR himself admitted that VM inspires him through his lyrics. I agree that new talent should be promoted, but it is rather a lose for music lovers that VM and ARR are going to go in separate paths.
  
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Wed Jul 3 00:51:02 EDT 2002
  
  I disagree With Aruvi
  
  ARR Started to work with Vaali in Uzhavan Which had the Excellent song Pennalla Penalla
  & Followd by Kaadal Desam Which Had excellent Song
  Particulary Yennai Kaanavilaye Netrodu, Thendrale thendrale,Oh Vennila Iru Vaanil
  
  & Reg Mustafa It had Better lyrics Compared to Oorvasi Stuff..
  
  And it's Not always VM..
  It is both the Arr's composition & the lyrics combinedly was hit..
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Wed Jul 3 00:54:12 EDT 2002
  
  And Regarding Kaadalar Dinam
  how can Aruvi say "Yenna Vilai Azhage", "roja roja" & "kaadalenum Thervezhudhi" as mediocre Lyrics I wonder..
  
  If it is Simple & Understandable do u say it as mediocre lyrics
  
  & u appreciate Only if it is Narumugaye,or more Of Heavy kavithai's Which many cant Understand As the Great Lyric..
  
  Then U'll Say Kannadasan to be a mediocre Lyric Writer..
  
  ??
  
  
• From: ST (@ 24.42.166.12) on: Wed Jul 3 02:05:00 EDT 2002
  
  What about ARR & Valis recent movie Paarthale Paravasam? none of the songs are upto valis standard. One song gose like this " kaalayum neea, maalayum neea, kanavilum neea" and gues what next.
  Even ARR himself can write songs like this. People allways expect better songs from ARR and music alone will not bring quality songs other wise you will be better off listening to Bombay Dreams.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Wed Jul 3 02:07:44 EDT 2002
  
  Nee than yen Desiya geetham Was a Nice Song
  By Balram&chitra..
  
  i dont find Anything wrong in that Song
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74) on: Wed Jul 3 02:59:45 EDT 2002
  
  raj,
  
  >>>> If it is Simple & Understandable do u say it as mediocre lyrics
  
  I totally agree with your question !
  
  Many people have this opinion and say VM is great and vaalee is avg. poet (what this avg poet is supposed to mean ????)
  
  TFM Lyrics has come a long way from sanskrit tamil to today's Thanglish and vaalee is such a talented poet that he is able to make his stamp in every one of these so called 'trends' !
  
  He writes simple - whats wrong in that ? It is something you, me and even a kuppan and subban can understand - do you think TFM Lyricst should be pulavarkaL than kavinjarkaL ? Do you know what majority of your viewers understand and what they don't understand ? Vairamuthu is a 'meththa padiththa medhavi' who writes as if all his characters are great poets - Vaalee never makes that mistake, he is sticking to the character, he can write a 'Gumthalakkadi Gumthalakkadi paattu' and 'Ammaa endRazaikkaatha uyirillaiyee' in the same movie - to the same character, he sticks to the situation and never allows his 'Gnanam' take over that of the character / movie,
  
  If somebody are using a simple language - its not a crime, Using that, what message he is conveying - thats what is more important than anything else, if he is able to use this 'eLiya thamizh' and pack the emotions of the movie character to which he is writing - that itself is more than enough !
  
  Last week I was listning to 'unnai ninaichchaen paattu padichchaen' from Aboorva sakotharrkaL - There is one line in this song which says 'Antha vaanam azuthaaththaan, intha boomiyee sirikkum, antha vaanam pol sila paer sontha vaazhkkaiyum irukkum' - Simple, Isn't it ? But just think how much it suits the situation, that what is the duty of a lyricst and I feel vaalee is doing it properly !
  
  True he is writing Thanglish poems - But tell me who is NOT doing it in today's TFM ...
  
  Vaalee is not a 'ARivujeevi' to write 'meRkee uthiththa sooriyanee' etc., to a kuppaththu hero - he knows what a Illiterate will sing in that situation and he is sticking to what is expected from him and his kavithai / paattu hero ...
  
  OTOH, if you take poetry collections of vaalee and Vairamuthu (non-TFM), I agree that Vairamuthu has achieved much more than Vaalee in a short duration (compartiviely), But when it comes to TFM, I strongly believe they have done equally good work, and calling vaalee's work as 'anybody can write' is just unfair !
  
  All IMHO !
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Nane than (@ 203.197.138.199) on: Wed Jul 3 05:39:46 EDT 2002
  
  
  NagaS , Adutha IR Padathula VM is going to work..Now tell me about him..;))
  
  

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