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Raja "upsets" Anu Malik and Lata sings her first Hindi song for Raja

Topic started by Fliflo (@ tnt1-161-95.cac.psu.edu) on Fri Jul 13 09:00:47 EDT 2001.
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• From: rf (@ pppa27-resalerockford1-3r7238.dialinx.net) on: Fri Jul 13 10:18:29 EDT 2001
  
  but why did IR go to bombay and Lata could not come to Madras to record?
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Fri Jul 13 10:39:03 EDT 2001
  
  in the "tenali" silver junilee celebrations. Kamal hassan spoke this
  
  " I swell with tears when I find really great people in tamil nadu working on bits and pieces things in hindi movies. such immenly talented tamils have to play second fiddle to mediocre untalented hindi artists. why live such a life! Thats why I asked rajinikanth not to act in hindi movies anymore"
  
  to watch such a senior, talented person like IR work with Anu malik, who is probably the person I hate most, is really a "vayatherichal".
  
  audience'kku enna theriyum they will listen to that lata mangeshkar song and clap hand saying "sabash anu mailik". rasanai ketta jenmanga!
  
  idiot copy adichittu! enna munjiyoda recording studio'kku varaano!
  
  i dont even approve of such bits and pieces issues! kodutha muzhu padathayum kodukka sollanum! appadi nambikkai illaina varave koodathu!
  
  thats where kamal and rajini differ. rajini is too down to earth and will humbly accept a small role to help a friend. In this professional field u should never compromise ur position.
  
  cha! antha news padikka padikka kaduppu eruthu!
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ atlwebproxy1.core.hp.com) on: Fri Jul 13 10:49:33 EDT 2001
  
  bharath...
  
  superb!!! you totally echoed my inner feelings.
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 209.177.206.90) on: Fri Jul 13 10:55:11 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  "Anu Malik clapped after hearing IR's composition"
  
  Idu thevaya? Yaara yaar appreciate pannaradu?
  Ivanukku enna arugathai irukku?
  
  He (AM) even shamelessly took credit for the 'Thevar Magan' songs in Hindi (VirAsat).
  You're right... no HFM audience will know IR, they will continue to praise AM just like they did earlier when Anand Milind copied IR left right and center...
  
  Pathetic!
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.225.17.254) on: Fri Jul 13 10:56:25 EDT 2001
  
  rf,
  IR has very high esteem for Lata, that is why he went to Bombay when LAta had requested.
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 208-142-210-30.jdedwards.com) on: Fri Jul 13 11:26:19 EDT 2001
  
  Peter Pan/Bharath et al
  
  When 'Gentleman' (Hindi) was released with Anu Malik's music, he said "magnanimously" that he attributes half the success of his songs to ARR. Point to be noted is, only 1-2 songs were hit in that movie and all those hit songs were a direct copy of the Tamil version. But Anu gives "half" credit to ARR. periya manasuthaan.
  
  These parasites have been living because of IR first and ARR offlate. They won't hesitate to copy Kartik or Harris. I don't know why IR accepts such offers. I doubt he has a soft corner for a lot of undeserving people.
  
  If I remember right, ARR also composed one song in Pizza, sorry Fiza. Why shoud we accept these offers?
  
  
• From: sats (@ fwc1.hbocvan.com) on: Fri Jul 13 12:58:02 EDT 2001
  
  "Kettalum menmakkal menmakkale"
  " sangu suttalum venmai tharum"
  " yanai padutha kudhirai mattam " idhellam pazhamozhi
  
  raja unakku ennapa aachu .
  
  
  
• From: ALIAHAMED (@ 203.199.237.10) on: Fri Jul 13 13:39:54 EDT 2001
  
  Director Rajkumar Santhoshi was born and brought in coimbatore and he speaks better tamil than hindi...He is a great fan of IR for last 25 years and his Anbuthollai has made IR to accept the Rerecording job...This film LAJJA starring Madhuri,Manisha,Preethizinta is totally emotional and Female oriented film where South Indian MDs are experts in providing apt BGM for Azhugai KAtchigal....
  ARR Composed one Islamic Devotional for Mumbai HAji ali Masque which was used as backround song for film Fiza...Do not link that with this...A.A.
  
  
• From: KS (@ sreekanth.wcom.com) on: Fri Jul 13 13:44:09 EDT 2001
  
  I think that while other's are ignoring IR (which is what he feels...people not understanding/appreciating his music...) and a prominent director from North (a region IR does'nt belong to), Rajkumar Santoshi, comes looking for him to do BGM for a prestigious film (as it is publicised...with many top actors and huge canvas...) there are 2 things that I strongly feel:
  
  1) Rajkumar certainly feels that nobody can give a better BGM than IR, atleast, certainly for this film (which I feel has quiet varied situations to make it difficlt for any ordinary MD).
  (Also, he may not, and probably does'nt, feel the same about IR composing songs for the Hindi audience. Could as well be that he just did'nt want to or could'nt take that risk for various reasons.
  2) IR certainly realises the kind of respect and regard this director has for him. He knows Rajkumar Santoshi treats him to be above all ohter current HFMDs. He knows Santoshi has approcahed him only after understanding his music.
  
  Remember, he liked it when someone in Hungary was impressed with his music and made a remark. Similarly, when Santoshi approached IR, because IR has a (little :-))good heart, he would have felt like obliging his request. Let us accept the fact that when someone understands us, we like and tend to make them feel comfortable as well.
  
  Moreover, IR too would have felt good about the film. He probably wants and knows to add value to it with his BGM. And if the indiainfo news is a fact, then he would have felt all the more challenged to compose a song for a difficult situation expressing varied emotions and still sound different,more so, when their reputed MD fails. Look at it as the respect they have for him. For IR, composing this song could as well have been like doing a favour..another rescue act may be. He could have said a no but probably did'nt want to disappoint them. Probably this was another chance for him to prove how simple he seems to make "difficult" things.
  
  Also realise that Lajja is a big film. If IR had accepted a lesser film (with less production values as one may call it) then may be we should have felt bad. But now I see no reason why we should feel bad.
  
  What Rajini did was wrong because he accepted small and cheap roles in (below) average films. Which is what Kamal meant and Rajini saw sense and has stopped accepting such offers.
  
  IR did'nt want to do only BGM for "Hey Ram" as firstly, it was a Tamil film (a region he belongs to), secondly, a big film and thirdly, a Kamal's film with himself making a directorial debut (not necessarily in that order :-)) making it much more a bigger and an important film. Maybe accepting this offer would have been belittling himself. Probably, he would have become small in his own place, for his own people. OR PROBABLY NOT. So, I see reason why he did'nt want to do just the BGM but play a bigger role in "Hey Ram".
  
  Bharath:
  "In this professional field u should never compromise ur position."
  
  IR is not compromising his position. He will probably not do it for anyone. That's why the "Hey Ram" BGM-only offer was rejected. If you realise that Lajja is a big film, BGM score is difficult due to a different storyline for any normal MD, and the director's confidence in IR to the extent of giving him 1 song (which was not the initial agreement)...these things should make you feel better.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Fri Jul 13 14:29:44 EDT 2001
  
  I don't have any doubt that no one is better than IR in BGM and I have stated this several times in this forum. Now, he is doing a hindi film. I am very much happy about it. But, now I see a sort of rush from IR fans who come in for IR's resque, when the question of why he alligned with AM arise. Also, I am pretty sure that no body has yet seen the movie, but many started saying that its is great and only because of that IR has accepted that. They even relate it with hey Ram.
  When I , long ago, said that ARR worked with Shyam Benegal, who is undoubtedly one of the great Dir. of India, for Zubeida and asked opinion about its song, almost nobody listened and more over I remember somebody saying that he saw a bit of its promo in TV and he didn't notice a BGM in that and so he will rate it to a crap.
  
  No, I am not saying any thing here. I just want to know, why the rule suddenly changes when ARR comes into picture.
  
  This rajkumar santhoshi first worked with ARR on Pukar. It was a hit both musically and commercially. I read some where that he approached ARR first for Lajja, and since he didn't have time for that , he approached AM and IR for two different departments of FM.
  What does RS wants to prove here. Does is wants to say that AM is better in Music and IR is only good in BGM. Or since he approached ARR for both before, does he beleive that ARR is a better person in both the departments.
  
  I don't know why am I wasting my time in this posting.
  
  
• From: KS (@ sreekanth.wcom.com) on: Fri Jul 13 14:32:20 EDT 2001
  
  continued...
  
  Rajkumar Santoshi is one of the few thinking HF directors. He has tried different subjects from film to film..tries to be offer something diferent which is commendable being in Hindi film industry.
  
  Best thing is to wait and see...
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Fri Jul 13 14:47:20 EDT 2001
  
  //"Rajkumar certainly feels that nobody can give a better BGM than IR, atleast, certainly for this film (which I feel has quiet varied situations to make it difficlt for any ordinary MD).
  (Also, he may not, and probably does'nt, feel the same about IR composing songs for the Hindi audience. Could as well be that he just did'nt want to or could'nt take that risk for various reasons.
  "//
  
  If I were IR . I wud strongly take offense to this statement! Its like saying, I want IR's help in my bad times but I prefer to let go of him during my good times
  
  a.k.a: let him do all the dirty work behind the scenes whereas I'll let AM take the bow.
  
  a.k.a: If I were IR I wud strongly take offense at the fact that RS even thought that IR might not be a safe bet to do the entire music for commercial or whatever reasons. If u want sucess u play with high stakes and if u cant do that leave IR out of it.
  
  //"IR did'nt want to do only BGM for "Hey Ram" "//
  
  i didnt want to mention this in my initial postins but now that the cat is out of the bag!
  
  Dude! whats this! why did he refuse "hey ram", "kuruthi punal" and I guess even "airport" (although i am not sure abt this). In tfm ppl will notce the credits and discern who has done what! and they will direct appreciation to the correct person.
  
  In hfm credits are the time people seat their "beti" "behan" "bitiya" "bahu rani" " dadaji" etc with their popcorns. Credits is some fuzzy thing that is totally decoupled from the movie! whats th point then!
  
  IR should have said it as all or nothing! thats where negotiation is at its best. kamal hasaan even in hindi will never do a second role. so should IR or ARR.
  
  we r not some shady backstage people to do the hard work behind a puppet! Its like "milli vannili" and I hate that!
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Fri Jul 13 14:48:59 EDT 2001
  
  and add a "i say yeah" to what common friend has written!
  
  

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