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Anuradha Sriram's MS Thesis was ‘Illayaraja As A Phenomenon In Tamil Music Culture’

Topic started by Fliflo (@ 130.203.165.124) on Sun Jan 21 13:50:07 EST 2001.
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Friends:

I was browsing the web. Got some interesting info.
Giving some excerpts from Anuradha Sriram's Interview:

You are basically a classical singer. Was it by coincidence that you became a playback singer?

Yes. I had not planned to become a playback singer. I was doing a Masters course in Ethnomusicology in the US, where I had to write a thesis. I chose ‘South Indian film music’ as my study material. There was not much documented data on South Indian film music, except for some published articles. This in spite the fact that film music is so popular. I was in awe of Illayaraja, who ruled the South film music for two decades and I took him up as my case study. For a music director to become the most important man in the production process of a movie is something great. So I took up Tamil music culture for my thesis, and named it ‘Illayaraja As A Phenomenon In Tamil Music Culture’. In the process, I also studied the various activities involved in the making of a movie. Also, I trained in opera and jazz, and did a course in voice culture under the guidance of Sherly Mayor. Then I decided to give film music a try, and approached AR Rahman. After a month, he offered me the song Malorodu, in the Tamil film Bombay.

http://www.expressindia.com/screen/apr17/music3.htm

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Responses:

• From: Chandrakanth (@ 203.197.137.172) on: Wed Jan 24 11:39:16 EST 2001
  
  Her research on Ilayarajas work in the films(?) could have been bait to fish chances. But it needs humanism to give an opputunity to expose ones talents and give a break, which she rightly got from ARR in Indra (Vidiyath Iravendru) and Deva in Kadal kottai (Manam ariya aaval).
  
  By the way, has she completed the thesis in US or is it in the same level as Ilayarajas Symphony in UK?
  
  The result could be only one thing as far as tamil film music is concerned. "MSV-TKR are the father of this type of music having done all the styles in their songs" with a less than half the number of movies that Ilyaraja worked for, amidst tough competitive work with contemporary music directors like KVM, SMS, SVV, CRS, GR, TRP etc..
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Jan 24 12:13:20 EST 2001
  
  But it needs humanism to give an opputunity to expose ones talents and give a break
  
  Show some humanism in writing. FYI, Anuradha has sung in IR films. Many great singers were introduced by IR. If you need, I can give a big list. See the list of odd singers (crosses hundred)in other post given chances in IR movies. Knowing that IR is an inhuman (from past experiences or stories or whatever) she did her thesis on that topic. She looked for IR's music and not his personality.
  
  It is not gentle to comment on sombody's personality. People may have different opinions about anybody.
  
  Just being a computer science graduate does not mean you must offered a job in Motorola. You may get a job in Infosys. Life goes that way, right?
  
  
• From: dignity (@ 203.199.236.37) on: Fri Jan 26 00:36:32 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo:
  
  FYI it is a fact that IR was dogmatic in using the same voices and failed to discover new native tamil voices as others do now! All his best hits are with the same voices.
  
  He might have made new singers sing for unnoticed ?uppuma company films. But now, new MDs introduce new talents in big banners too.
  
  Calling a person good doesnt mean that the other person is bad - as per donkeys logic.
  
  Gentleman, dont get boiled up and pull in controversies for IR in all the forums. Be kind enough to give a list with the new singers introduced with the popular song of IR. IR is good. There are other 'very good' too. The world doesnt close down with one person.
  
  Iam sure Anurathas thesis would have definitely adviced IR to stop singing in his own music, thereby creating an oppurtunity for those who are trained for it.(Just as Harmonium thottavanellam MD illai, Vaayai thoranthavanellaam paadagan illai). In your comparison, this is like SSLC failed person getting a CEO job in Motorola or Infosys.
  
  By the way, apart from the publicity about the thesis, Is it published out already or "out" like sympony of kollywood Bach!
  
  
• From: pg (@ 12.20.190.1) on: Fri Jan 26 09:59:58 EST 2001
  
  "new native tamil voices as others do now"
  
  ROTFL !!
  
  udit narayan
  sadhana sargam
  sukhwinder singh
  asha bhosle
  
  
  Make a laundry list of voices used by raja and others and raja's list will exceed any MD's list by a few yards.
  
  
• From: pg (@ 12.20.190.1) on: Fri Jan 26 10:08:55 EST 2001
  
  All os MSV's best hits were with TMS / PS. What does that say about him ?
  
  And
  
  Mr.(Un)Dignity says 'like sympony of kollywood Bach!'
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Jan 26 11:09:35 EST 2001
  
  dignity:
  
  He might have made new singers sing for unnoticed ?uppuma company films. But now, new MDs introduce new talents in big banners too.
  
  What happened to "Minmini" "Rafee" "Suresh Peters" "Prakash" "SAwetha" "Esther" "Sandhya" "Sonu Nigam", "Timmy" Febi,.......still more
  
  Padathukku oruthannu. What happened to all these new talents. Irukkira idam theriyale. what is the point?
  
  If these new voices are not introduced new MD's can't survive. Reason for their intro is for self-survival and not a care for these people.
  
  Be kind enough to give a list with the new singers introduced with the popular song of IR.
  
  Otha Ruba Tharen-
  Isaiyil Thodanguthamma-
  Senbagame..Senbagame-
  En Kanmani un Kathali-
  Vaadi En kappa Kilange-
  Deepangal Pesum-
  Aananda Raagam Ketkum Thalam-
  Nadhiyil Aadum Poovanam-
  Poonkathave Thaal Thiravaai-
  Sevanti Pookalil Seitha-
  Ninaichapadi Ennazhum-
  Manjal Poosum-
  Arumbu Thalire-
  Rasthi Rasathi-
  Nitpathuve, Nadapathuve-
  Engum ulla allah-
  Ninaithathu Yaaro Neethaane-
  Vanna Vanna Solleduthu-
  ....
  ...
  ...
  ....
  
  I am tired..Will type more later. Remember, there is no need for IR to survive with new singers.
  "Vallvanukku Pullum Aayutham"
  
  
  "The world doesnt close down with one person"
  
  Nobody said that the world will close down.
  
  "Gentleman, dont get boiled up and pull in controversies for IR in all the forums."
  
  Go through the forum again. Only anti-IR people show vaitherichal statements. If you want I can name a few excluding you.
  
  "Just as Harmonium thottavanellam MD illai, Vaayai thoranthavanellaam paadagan illai"
  
  Neenga muntheeteenga. Athethaan naanum solren. Kathravenellam Padan ille. Keyboardle kaivechavanellam MD kidayathu.
  
  In your comparison, this is like SSLC failed person getting a CEO job in Motorola or Infosys.
  
  Appadiya sonnen. Konjam mela padichu parunga.
  
  the way, apart from the publicity about the thesis, Is it published out already or "out" like sympony of kollywood Bach!
  
  it is great that you guys accept him as kollywood bach. Athuve perumai thaan.
  
  Nimmathiya theengunga. Piragu Paarpom! Dignity pera kaapathunga!
  
  
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.30) on: Fri Jan 26 12:29:17 EST 2001
  
  pg
  
  I don't think you should include Asha in the list of Udit, Sukwinder and Sadhana. Asha's first song in tamil was at least 15 years ago.
  
  Flifo
  
  Minmini is a very good singer. She could have become another Janaki with some luck. And her first song was with IR in 'araNmanaik kiLi' (adi poongkuyilE poongkuyilE kELu). She did sing some very good songs in 'I Love India' also.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Jan 26 13:34:21 EST 2001
  
  continues..
  
  Venkaya Sambarum Vegatha Sorum....
  Otti vandha - Kollangudi Karuppayi's
  Sevvaname Pon Megame
  Pottri Paadadi Penne-
  Devathi Poloru Penningu-
  Maarugo Maarugo- (kovai sarala's)
  Etho MOgam Etho Thaagam--
  Poo vaadai Kattru Vandhu Aadai-
  Thendral Ennai Mutham-
  Muthirai Ippothu- (Uzhappali)
  Kaana Karunguile kattcheri-
  Aararo Aararo - Lata's
  Engirundho Azhaikkum-Lata's
  Valaiosai kala kala-Lata's
  Nettru Indha Neram -
  Kootil chinna Kokilam-
  Raman Aandaalum-
  Yedhilum Indu iruppan-
  Chempoove Poove-
  Sollayo vai Thiranthu -
  Suttum chudal vizhi Parvaiyile -
  Meetatha Oru veenai-
  Unnaithaane nejam ennum-
  Yamunai Aatrile-
  All the time-
  Ninaichapadi Ennalum-
  
  will continue later
  
  
  
• From: FliflokkuKelvi (@ 128.113.50.34) on: Fri Jan 26 16:47:06 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  
  Okay. IR introduced many new singers and gave good hits. You had asked
  
  >> What happened to "Minmini" "Rafee" "Suresh
  >> Peters" "Prakash" "SAwetha" "Esther" "Sandhya" >> "Sonu Nigam", "Timmy" Febi,.......still more
  
  Can I also ask
  
  What happened to the "Yamunai Atrile" singer, Devi (who sang otha Ruba Tharen), Preethi and others you have mentioned. These people also sang a couple of songs and ippa irukkara idame theriyala.
  
  P.S Lata was horrible with her pronounciation in the Engirindho Azhaikkum song. What a great song spoiled just like so many songs spoiled by Sadhana Naragam :)
  
  
• From: Shibu (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Fri Jan 26 17:04:19 EST 2001
  
  Singers who sang for Ilaiyaraaja - http://www.raaja.com/ric/song/SingerList.html .
  Hope this helps
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Fri Jan 26 18:36:03 EST 2001
  
  Shibu
  Natthi adi vachinga. Raja Raja thaan! Isaiyn ella dhisaiylum IR thaan Raja.
  
  Venki
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Jan 26 18:57:56 EST 2001
  
  
  'What happened to the "Yamunai Atrile" singer, Devi (who sang otha Ruba Tharen), Preethi and others you have mentioned. These people also sang a couple of songs and ippa irukkara idame theriyala.'
  
  I agree. There is no choice. Everybody can not be SPB or SJanaki or KJYesudas. Before hariharan SPB was so popular and MD's needed to use him so often. I remember, in movie Idayathai Thirudathe, telegu version (Geetanjali) was sung by SPB and Tamil version by Mano. People started making noises asking why didn't Ilayaraja use SPB in tamil. When Mano could not be accepted in place of SPB how about others? That's one reason why he has sung more than 30,000 songs. Now people are bored with SPB songs and the same group of people are asking for new voices. Now songs are composed with new sounds and new voices. To quote some
  
  1. rukumani..rukumani
  2. kuluvalile..(yarukku valille)
  3. thillana thillana
  4. chikku bukku chikku bukku
  5. kuchi kuchi... (thadiya?)
  6. alla kulla..alla kulla (yaaru kulla?)
  7. goomsala goomsala guppuchu... (yennaiah?)
  8. Hamma Hamma...(yammov..Pathu)
  9. Yahoo..Yahoo.. (In front of Jumbalakka)
  10. Jill lal lillappa.. (Nanillappa)
  11. Fauhan neyee... (Akkadanu Naanga munnadi)
  12. yeee....lara..oo (acham acham)
  13. gamapaiapanipa..thakkidthakidu (kannodu kaanbathellam)
  14. Jeeva..Jeeva...(Jodi)
  15. boom thak..boom thak.. (hello doctor)
  16. Errani Kurrathani..(Enna language pa?)
  17. Mukkala..Mukkabula (Mukkathe...Romba)
  18. ...connecting..to India..malaria..innum ennam
  19. jiheh..jiheh...(pachai kili paadum..)
  20. chikundun..dunchikundun... (ethukku pondatti)
  21. athaninokki illinoinokku...(come on.come on song)
  22. vai..racha vai..vai racha vai (ennannu puriyale, Mangatha song)
  23. OOh lala..ooh lala..ola
  24. Ooha Oo..Ohha ..oyyara..mhea (kodumaida..!)
  25. vanne vanne ..vannevanne (nalla sonne!)
  26. katu..kattu..thattu..thattu ...
  27. sambo..sambo..vambo..vambo.. (varthai kolai..)
  28. aayoo.aayyyayyao... (ayyayyao!)
  29. Injirungo..injirungo .. (Manga..Puliyanga)
  30. to..tooda..too.to..to..tooda..too..to
  31 thaya..thaya..thaya..thaya.... (thajavooru bommai)
  32. dumda makkra..dumdamakkar..dumm
  ;;
  ;;;
  
  This is just from 1 MD from less than 30 films.
  I am leaving out other 10 films.Other MD's kekkave venaam. Ithu illama ippo irukkara MD nala survive panna mudiyathu. Ketta puthu soundunnu solluvaanga.. Rajavukku ithu thevai ille. He is not that sort of MD..
  
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Jan 26 19:07:12 EST 2001
  
  Is this the way to give chances to new people. For each kind of voice use one kind of sound and person. This is basic survival for present day MDs. If not, he will be out of market..
  
  
  
  
  

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