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Shankar-Ehsan-Loy !

Topic started by cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on Sun Jun 24 00:21:11 EDT 2001.
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Shankar-Ehsan-Loy...maybe the only other MD with Bollywood roots also composing for TF....I was listening to their "Dil Chahta Hai"..except for the title track, all the other songs seem to meander around...but they are the only ones around in Bollywood who give a original techno touch to their music apart from ARR.

"Aalavandhaan" is their next big TF release...would like to hear your opinions on this trio.

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• From: Normal Man (@ 210.84.144.107) on: Fri Sep 7 21:09:37 EDT 2001
  
  polappu --> I think the WCM in Hey Ram was more of a Wagner style (in which there would be a unity of music, drama, text, design, and movement). I feel it would be handled in a different way here.
  
  People also one more thing, I've told this quite a few times in other topics, a few comatose indviduals don't deserve a respose to their bovine posts. JUST INGORE THEM :-)
  
  Let the healthy discussion continue......
  
  
• From: S T S (@ 63.93.100.12) on: Fri Sep 7 22:54:40 EDT 2001
  
  "situational", "fresh" ...
  Because Eeshan/Nandini visits newtfmpage.com? Every song in a film should be situational. Don't you think?
  
  Only saving grace of this album is 'Un Azhakukku'... VM's lyric's is really pathetic. I like the way flute/bass guitar/chorus/piano? throughout the song. 'Kadavul paathi' song reminds me of the 'Nari' song from 'Moondraam Pirai'. Only uniqueness in this album is the laugh which is looped in the background of 'siri siri' song. I am not sure whether it was done before.
  
  Eeshan,
  How many Tamil film offers you have right now? You can measure the success of Aalavandhaan songs this way too..
  
  Did Kamal mention to you why he/director chose you for this album?
  
  Finally Good Luck!
  
  
• From: Ehsaan (@ 203.197.75.87) on: Sat Sep 8 01:39:09 EDT 2001
  
  Ho Polappu the songs fit in very will with the kind of visuals Kamal had in mind. He chose us for the film as he really wanted to try something different and besides there is the problem of ARR's dates.
  We havent had any new offers as yet from the TFI for that reason we havent had any new ones from the HFI either ...... hahaha
  Anyway currently Loy and I are completing Dance Masti 3 and were inundated with advertising work so the fires keep burning and its all music work so one enjoys going to work irrespective of the kind of work it is.
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.3) on: Sat Sep 8 02:00:31 EDT 2001
  
  Dear Ehsaan, even though I have not listened to Abhay/Alavandhaan yet, I do believe that you threesome have brought some fresh breath into Hindi Film Music - as a sincere music fan, can I take the liberty to request you three for something ?
  HFM has completely gone away from SHASTRIYA sangeet - RD Burman was the last one to have used classical elements in HFM - of course, there is an ARR - but compared to how the HFM was in the past, it is terrible now - mediocrity is the order of the day
  It is heartening to see youngsters like you three trying different things without compromising quality - my hope and wish is that HFM starts getting the kind of melody driven albums as it was during the days of SDB, RDB, Salil Choudhury
  Please do not neglect Shastriya sangeet - that is the soul of our lives
  Heartiest wishes for all your endeavors
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sat Sep 8 04:28:48 EDT 2001
  
  But Ehsaan..after Dil Chahtha Hai..there definitely should have been many more offers...but this shows only one thing...lack of forward thinking directors like Vinod or Farhan..
  
  
• From: Ganesh (@ 138.88.95.195) on: Sat Sep 8 07:29:32 EDT 2001
  
  
  Nandhini
  Do you look forward to be a full time composer or
  a full time singer? And how did you get into guitars(acoustic/electric) ?
  Loy and Ehsaan
  As a composer how do you approach towards song composing like you come up with the chords progression or first the basic melody and then chords and rthym.
  
  
  thanks in advance for ur replies
  Ganesh
  
  
• From: Kamal Hassan (@ 151.197.218.207) on: Sat Sep 8 09:19:37 EDT 2001
  
  Eshaan,
  Is ARR dates the only reason for Kamal coming to you guys for Abhay?
  I do'nt think so
  
  
• From: Ehsaan (@ 203.197.75.108) on: Sat Sep 8 09:59:56 EDT 2001
  
  Well he wanted a different kind of sound for the music of the film i guess thats why we were chosen
  
  
• From: Ehsaan (@ 203.197.75.108) on: Sat Sep 8 10:02:31 EDT 2001
  
  hi ganesh
  shankar and i essentially work on the melody first and then loy comes in . but theres really no set pattern sometimes loy may come up with a groove or a progression which we bounce off or i will play a guitar riff. theres really no set pattern but yes most times it is melody first
  
  
• From: nandini (@ 210.214.64.236) on: Sat Sep 8 10:26:07 EDT 2001
  
  hi Y?,
  i used to live in hyderabad..near mehdipatnam..now i live in pune
  
  
• From: nandini (@ 210.214.64.236) on: Sat Sep 8 10:30:30 EDT 2001
  
  hi ganesh,
  i would like to be both a singer and a composer..as for playing guitar..well i started playing guitar when i was 12..but i was already playing the veena and sitar by then..so i was just extending myself to one more instrument..though i still play the guitar, i've lost touch with playing the veena and the sitar.
  
  
• From: Ganesh (@ 138.88.93.181) on: Sat Sep 8 10:49:11 EDT 2001
  
  Hi Nandini and Ehsaan
  Thanks for you reply
  please do visit our amatuer composer page
  and we would like to get your valuable inputs
  so amatuer composer like us can get benefited.
  
  One more common question when you are working on an non filmi ablum how do you go about with ideas or theme of the album like how do you decide this instrument is going to play the lead or bgm or harmonies ?
  And on a personal side what are your hobbies other than music(Nandini,Eshaan)
  
  thanks
  Ganesh
  http://www.mp3.com/premadona
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ 192.19.194.27) on: Sat Sep 8 11:16:26 EDT 2001
  
  Eshaan,
  Just of of curiosity, do you write scores or is it mere melody making using synth.
  Is there a scientific thought process set in play while you compose?
  I know composing is instinctive like any creative deluge but music has a certain scientific/structural component to it.
  
  
  
• From: Ehsaan (@ 203.197.75.108) on: Sat Sep 8 11:31:23 EDT 2001
  
  Well there is no set way of composing as i mentioned earlier . We do not write scores i just use my guitar and i make sure i have my digital dictaphone handy. there is no scientific thought process its all from the heart.the chordal structure and the harmonic structures can be a little scientific but even there its all based on the feeling that the moment emotes. with indian ragas you have to be very careful with the chords used behind a melody as the harmonic element can really alter a melody.
  
  
• From: Ehsaan (@ 203.197.75.108) on: Sat Sep 8 11:39:45 EDT 2001
  
  Hi Ganesh
  Well when composing for a non film or a film album the creative process is invariably one long jam. we just sit and jam and really thats where the ideas come from. some times we'll run a drum loop ill play guitar or mess around with a synthesizer while shankar sings. Dil Chahta Hai was the result of jamming . For e.g the title song I came up with the bass line then shankar sang something and suddenly the whole song happened.
  To answer your other question about my hobbies I read and research World War 2 and the Holocaust. I like reading Fantasy and science fiction ( ARthur C. Clarke is my favorite )I love watching movies and collecting movies , I love travelling and of course I like acquiring new synthesizers and guitars !!!!
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ 192.19.194.27) on: Sat Sep 8 11:48:47 EDT 2001
  
  eshaan,
  Thanks for your quick reply.
  "with indian ragas you have to be very careful with the chords used behind a melody as the harmonic element can really alter a melody."
  Can you elaborate on this?
  Since you do'nt write scroes, how do synchopate your harmony and melody.
  Apologies for bugging you on this.
  I am utterly bowled over in your ability to create scores without writing them down. Looks like a tradition/virtue amongst all Indian composers execpt one.
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 24.4.252.5) on: Sat Sep 8 12:47:24 EDT 2001
  
  Basically I wanted to post this for anand, I think he is trying to start his old bike :)
  
  You do'nt write scroes, how do synchopate your harmony and melody.
  Lol, -- who in the world told you writing scores makes these things perfect. Is so every score notater (yes there are people who an write notes as you compose) will be a big time a composer.
  
  Looks like a tradition/virtue amongst all Indian composers execpt one...i think you dont about this, most composers are capable of writing but simply they dont.
  why ?
  
  Writing music is form for sharing your music with other artist. Music Composers of 90's who often use electronics have something called as sequencer.
  
  Sequencers stores music as events....
  Using a notation software which have the capacity to translate these events, (like cakewalk)..we can print this and give to other artists.
  
  Infact many composer right from msv days had assts to write score, as they compose. composers themselves dont take a pen and a paper, and strat writing what they have composed.
  It is something like a companies MD who dictates to his/her asst.
  
  This is then conducted by a good conducter,
  
  eshaan has already mentioned Mr.Srinvasa murthy does this for them.
  
  Human thought process is very complicated.
  an Artists should not restricted by the paper notation!...
  
  I requesth Eshaan can comment more in this.
  
  good day...
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ 192.19.194.27) on: Sat Sep 8 13:13:48 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks srikanth for enlightnening me. Well, now I understand why the quality of musical energy has increased in the 90's.
  Sure using notation software(cakewalk) can increase the ablitly to communicate with fellow musicians(are there fellow muscians these days in a recording studio/Garage). I never said that you should use pen and paper to write music down. My curiosity was wether any form of documentation (manual or software driven) takes place in SEL's world. I am not trying to belittle their talent. According to Mr.Eshaan, Srinivas Murthy helps them out in the string section. Not in writing down scores.
  
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 24.4.253.20) on: Sat Sep 8 13:23:26 EDT 2001
  
  Srinivasa murthy is a conductor for Arr, i think he was seen the US tour also. Eshaan mentioned that he was approaced to conduct a string section in chennai. So to conduct a string section a score sheet is required. Often Western condutors are powered to correct the harmony etc in scores, the composer might have scored it incorrectly. they just do on the spot correct after reading and conduting the score.
  
  also anand , after posting that reply I was bit worried both of us might switch back to our old gears....thanks...for staying Up!....:)
  
  I understand why the quality of musical energy has increased in the 90's. ,
  yes a paperless office increased produtivity.:):)
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Sat Sep 8 17:46:53 EDT 2001
  
  On writing notes -
  IMO it is easier to analyze harmony / form or just music itself if you write things down. I too agree that what you write is basically what you feel. Sometimes what we feel at one instant may vary with the next - depending on your mood. So if you write it down, and analyze the whole piece at a later time, you will make parts fit in with the whole with more sense. Sequencers / or even a simple tape to record as you compose melodies is the modern day solution to this. In earlier times, it was more easier to write / erase / rewrite etc...
  BTW, if you train your ears to the point of hearing each note as you write, you don't need the sequencer. Just a pen and paper would do.
  
  
  

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