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thiraippAdalgaLil samudhAyak karuththukkaL

Topic started by Kanchana (@ ww-tp05.proxy.aol.com) on Sun Apr 19 11:41:09 EDT 1998.
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TFM boasts of several contemporary poets like Bharadhidhasan, Pattukkottai Kalyanasundaram, Kannadhasan and Vali (Version I) who penned several songs dealing with social issues such as work ethic (uzhaippu), labor rights, women's position in society, religion, caste, patriotism/ nationalism, money/power/greed and the such. In addition, non-film kavidhaigaL from Bharadhi and Bharadhidhasan have been included in TFM to heighten social awareness.
Let's go ahead and discuss some of these songs--old and new--which address some key social issues even as they were entertaining the masses in the context of the movie situation. Please elaborate on the lyrics and your thoughts on the same as your time would allow.

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Responses:

• From: G. Varghese (@ 142.194.172.230) on: Sun Apr 19 14:37:24 EDT 1998
  
  Almost all of Bharathiar's verses adapted for
  movies had great social, cultural,
  nationalistic and moral values in them. "Odi
  Vilaiyaadu Paappaa" contains the most comprehensive set of principles that can
  be taught not only to children, but also to
  grownups. "Pen Viduthalai Vendum" was written
  at a time when women's rights were not an
  issue even in the West.
  
  I look forward to an in-depth discussion about
  Bharathiar's message and vision, especially
  about how far ahead he was of the rest of the
  world.
  
  
• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust200.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Sun Apr 19 14:51:57 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana
  
  Very good topic. Very broad scope. So, there should be a lot of info pouring in.
  
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  Seerthiruththa karuththukkaL parappuvadhil
  isaignyAni iLaiyarAjAvukku inai contemporary tfm isayil yArum illai.
  
  isaignyAni iLaiyarAjA TFM varuvadharkku munnar, avar annan pAvalar varadharAjanudan iNaindhu samudhAya seerthiruththa pAdalgaL iyaRRi pAdi irukkiRAr. seerthiruththa karuththukkaL parappikkondu avargaL sutRAdha idam thamizhagaththil illai yendru
  kooRappadugiradhu.
  
  Raaja indha samudhAyathil irukkum avalangaLaiyum
  kuRaigaLayum than pAdalgaLil vAippu kidaikkumbOdhellAm pAdi irukkiRAr. idho poonjOlai padaththil yEzhaiyin pAdugaLai avarE iyaRRi isai amaiththa (SPB pAdum)pAdal.
  
  (thamizhagaththil innum thalaivanai sinimAvilEyE
  pArththu magizhum makkaLin aRiyAmaiyai viLakkum pAdal)
  
  Chinnathambi chinnathambi
  muzhichchupAththA kalakkamillE Chinnathambi
  unnai dhinam mirattidum kandapadi virattidum
  ellA vEdikkaiyum nallA pAththukkO (Chinnathambi)
  
  kOttaikkuL theettugira thittamellAm
  yEzhai veettukkuL vandhadhilla chinnathambi
  AattiyE vaikkum indha kashtamellAm
  vandhu mAtRida yArum illa chinnathambi
  yEzhaiyin vAzhkai sandhu moolayila
  ingu yEzhaikku yEzhaikooda thunai illE
  vELaikku vELai unna unavillE
  yenga sugamellAm andhakkanavillE
  namakkena oru thalaivanai
  andha sinimAvildhAn dhinam pAkkanum(Chinnathambi)
  
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  kattapanchAyaththu padaththil varum 'thalaivan oruththan' pAttu andru (1996 varai) thamizhagaththil nadaipetra arasiyalai kadumayAga sAdugiradhu. mu mEththAvin kadumaiyAna varigaL. pAdubavar isaignyAni. isai alias isaignyAni. (avaraiththavira yArukkum arasiyalai ippadi kadumayAga vimarisanam panna thembu illai)
  
  nallakAlam poRandhida namba kannu thoRandhida
  kettupOna dhEsam nalla sattappadi uruppada
  thalaivan oruththan varanum - thattikEkka
  thalaivan oruththan varanum (thalaivan)
  ALukkALu adidhadi nadakkudhu adikkadi
  sAdhigaLin kedubadi yEzhaigaLukkenna vazhi
  thalaivan oruththan varanum - thattikEkka
  thalaivan oruththan varanum (nallakAlam)
  
  vEliyaththAndi mEyappOna AadugaLa
  pattiyila adappAnga - grAmaththila
  pattiyila adappAnga
  veLanja nelaththil vAyavekkum mAdugaLa
  thozhuvaththil adappAnga - pootti
  thozhuvaththil adappAnga
  
  aththumeeRi nAtta mEyum eththanayO mAdirukku
  thinnu thinnu kozhuththa mAttai kandukAma nAdirukku
  Aatta mAtta adakkivaikka grAmaththila AaLirukkAn
  nAtta mEyum mAtta adakka nAttukkuLLa yArirukkAn?
  thalaivan oruththan varanum - thattikEkka
  thalaivan oruththan varanum
  
  yeththanaiyO katchi ingirukku ingirukku
  yengaLukku nambikkaiyEilla - konjamkooda
  yengaLukku nambikkaiyEilla
  moththamA oozhalil pangirukku pangirukku
  suththaminnu yArumEilla - suththampanna
  uththamanum yArumEilla
  
  nALum oru prachchanaiyil namma nAdu thaththaLikkudhE
  yEdhum solla vakkillAma yEzha manam kondhaLikkudhE
  palluppOna Gandhi thAththA pOla ingu yArirukkAn
  sollappOna poona kazhuththil manikatta AarirukkAn
  thalaivan oruththan varanum - thattikEkka
  thalaivan oruththan varanum (nallakAlam)
  
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• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust230.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Sun Apr 19 16:12:49 EDT 1998
  
  gynyAbagam vandhadhum........
  
  'mankudisai vAsalendrAl
  thendral vara veRuththidumA
  mAlai nilA yEzhai yendrAl
  veLichcham thara maRuththidumA
  palar vAzha vAzha
  silar vAda vAda
  orupOdhum dheivam koduththadhillai'
  
  'illaiyenbOr irukkaiyilE
  iruppavargaL illaiyenbAr
  madi niRaiya poruL irukkum
  manam niRaiya iruL irukkum
  yedhu vandhapOdhum
  podhuvendru vaiththu
  vAzhgindrapErai vAzhthiduvOm'
  
  
  yeppadippatta varigaL. vAli in padagOtti has given the best in terms of 'samaththuvam'. indha varigaL yendrum ennai sindhikkavaikkum varigaL.
  
  
  Hmmm....BharadhidhAsan's 'jAdhi malli poochcharamE' from azhagan (Ramki says its not BharadhidhAsan.....if someone can name the lyricist of this song, i shall be thankful...)
  
  'yenadhu veedu yenadhu vAsal
  yendru vAzhvadhu vAzhkaiyA?
  irukkum nAlu suvarukkuLLE
  vAzha nee oru kaidhiyA?
  dhEsam vERalla thAiyum vERalla ondrudhAn
  thAyaikkAppadhum nAttaikkAppadhum ondrudhAn
  kadugupOl unmanam sirukkakkoodAdhu
  kadalaippOl virindhadhAi irukkattum
  kEttukkO rAsAththi thamizh nAdAchchu
  indha nAttukku nAmAchchu
  sAdhimallippoochcharamE......
  
  My! Great words. idhukku mElE thAinAttai
  pEnikAkka vArththaigaL undA??
  
  Hmmmmm.......
  kan sivandhAl man sivakkum....
  --manidhA manidhA ini un vizhigaL
  sivandhAl ulagam vidiyum
  vizhiyil vadiyum udhiram muzhudhum
  ini un saridham yezhudhum
  asaiyum kodigaL uyarum uyarum
  nilavin mudhugai urasum (manidhA.....)
  
  pala AarugaL OdudhadA
  varalArugaL mARudhadA
  pasiyAl pala yEzhaigaL
  sAvadhu yenbadhu
  dhEsiyamAnadhadA
  ini pAl varum yenbadhum
  thEn varum yenbadhum
  jOsiyam Aanadhada
  ini sAttaigaLE
  ????????yEnbadhu (???-> forgot)
  soosagamAnadhadA (manidhA)
  
  oLiveesuga sooriyanE
  yugamARudhu vAlibanE
  oru kELviyilA pudhu vELviyilA
  ini ulagam mARividum
  pala Aayiram Aayiram
  sooriya dhEbangaL boomiyil thOndrivudum
  ???????
  ??????? (manidhA)
  
  
  ippadippatta oru yezhuchchimigu pAdalai kAnbadhu aridhu.
  
  Can someone write the entire song? Long live Vairamuthu. I'll be back.
  
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-tp01.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Apr 19 18:03:10 EDT 1998
  
  gOpAl:
  Glad to see your enthusiasm. Unfortunately, I don't know the lyricist for jAdhi malli song.
  
  G.Varghese:
  Let me add a bit to your observations about Bharadhi, and hope other Bharadhi fans will build further. I'm just highlighting key verses instead of giving whole poems here for ease of presentation of Bharadhi's sophisticated vision in a nutshell here from his songs used in TFM.
  
  Political Vision: Liberty and Equality for All
  From "vidudhalai" sung by TRM in Naam Iruvar:
  Ezhai yendRum adimai yendRum evanum illai jAdhiyil
  izhivu koNda manidhar enbadhu indhiAvil illayE!
  vAzhi kalvi selvam eidhi manam maginzhdhu koodiyE
  manidhar yArum oru nigar samAnamAga vAzhvamE.
  
  From "AduvOmE paLLup pAduvOmE" sung by DKP in Naam Iruvar:
  ellOrum ondRennum kAlam vandhadhE--poyyum
  EmAtRum tholaigindRa kAlam vandhadhE--ini
  nallOr periyOrennum kAlam vandhadhE--ketta
  nayavanjak kArarukku nAsam vandhadhE.
  
  Economic Vision: Exploiting Mutual Interdependence of Regions and Resource Allocation to Benefit All
  From "sindhu nadhiyin misai nilavinilE" sung by TMS/ALR/LRE in Kai Koduththa Dheivam:
  gangai nadhippuRaththu gOdhumai paNdam
  kAviri vetRilaikku mARu koLvOm
  singa marAttiyartham kavidhai koNdu
  sEraththu thandhangaL paris(u) aLippOm
  ........
  vangaththil Odi varum neerin migaiyAl
  maiyaththu nAdugaLil payir seiguvOm.
  
  From "Bharadha SamudhAyam" sung by DKP in Vaazhkkai:
  manidhar uNavai manidhar paRikkum vazhakkam ini uNdO?
  manidhar nOga manidhar pArkkum vAzhkkai ini uNdO?
  .....
  iniyoru vidhi seivOm--adhai
  endha nALum kAppOm
  thani oruvannukku uNavillai enil
  jagaththinai azhiththiduvOm.
  
  Social Vision: No discrimination based on caste, gender etc.
  From "vidudhalai" verse sung by T.A.Modhi in peN:
  mAdharthammai izhivu seyyum madamaiyaik koLuththuvOm;
  vaiyya vAzhvu thannilendha vagaiyinum namakkuLLE
  thAdharendRa nilaimai mARi ANgaLOdu peNgaLum
  sarinigar samAnamAga vAzhvam indha nAttilE
  
  From "Odi viLayAdu pAppA" sung by SeergAzhi:
  sAdhigaL illaiyadi pAppA-kulath
  thAzhchchi uyarchchi sollal pAvam;
  needhi uyarndha madhi, kalvi--anbu
  niRaya udaiyavargaL mElOr
  
  "Moral" Vision: Strong Work Ethic, Strength of Character, Love for Fellow Humans
  From "AduvOmE paLLup pAduvOmE" by DKP in Naam Iruvar:
  uzhavukkum thozhilukkum vandhanai seivOm--veeNil
  uNdu kaLiththiruppOrai nindhanai seivOm
  vizhalukku neer pAichchi mAyamAttOm--veRum
  veeNarukku uzhaiththu udalum OyamAttOm
  
  From "manadhil uRudhi vENdum" by KJJ in Sindhu Bhairavi:
  Since everyone is familiar with this 1980s song, I'm not writing out the verses.
  
  From "Odi viLayAdu pAppA" again:
  uyirgaL idaththil anbu vENum;-dheivam
  uNmaiyendRu thAnaRidhal vENum;
  vaiyiramudaiya nenju vENum;-idhu
  vAzhum muRaimaiyadi pAppA.
  
  Of course, to what degree Bharadhi's vision has come true today is a large question which each of us needs to ask ourselves and goes beyond the scope of this Discussion Forum. More later....
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: pal (@ c45208.ece.umn.edu) on: Sun Apr 19 19:39:10 EDT 1998
  
  It is a great topic!!! Thanks-k-kA(nchanA)!
  GOpAl kalakkareenga! naan OramA ukkAnthu kEttukitRukkean!
  
  

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