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Topic started by Ramki (@ c07.lab.cae.wmich.edu) on Sun Sep 28 14:00:38 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.

Responses:

From: Ramki (@ c07.lab.cae.wmich.edu) on: Sun Sep 28 14:02:37 EDT 1997

Kannadhasan paadalgalin irandu amsathai vivadhitha naam ippodhu ellorkkum pidithamaana kuzhandhaigal patri kavignar enne solgiraar endru oru kannottam ida pogirom. Pillai paadalgalgalil thalattu vagai thavira vera endha endha konathil kavignar ezhudhiyirkkirar endru parppadhae namadhu nokkam.Kaadhal paadalgalil kavignarin vidhyasamaana kaadhalan /kaadhali varnanayai kanda naam siru pillaigalin varnanayailum kavignar
eppidi thanithu nindraar endru parkkalam. Adhu mattumallamal kuzhandhaigalin moolam ondru serum kanavan manaivi,mana sogathai kuzhandhaigal moolam vezhipaduthum kadhapathirangal endru pala
vagaiyaaga pirikkalam.

Kuzhandhaigalin varnanaiyil kavignarukku eedu yaarumalla.

Nenjil or aalayam padathai yaarum marandhirkka iyaladhu adhuvum Kutti Padminiyin kadhapathiram nenjai neengadhondru. Padminiyin azhagum nadippum palarai kavarndhadhu arindha vishayamae.
Andha padathil varum 'muthaana muthallavo 'paadalil kavignar ezhudhugiraar

'Semmandhuzhai pilandhu sirithu varum sirippalavo'
'*maavudu kannalavo mainavin mozhiallavo*'

Kangalai varnikkum podhu maan vizhi, meen vizhi endru varnippuku dhan naam pazhagiyirkkirom.Adhu enne Maavudu kangal??Kutti padminiyin gundu gundaana kangalai parthaal andha artham puriyum. Adhe madhiri dhan 'mainavin mozhi'..kizhi mozhi,kuyil kural endru dhan kelvipattirkirom aanal mainavin mozhi??

Sila samayam enakku thondrum:Sridhar kavignaridam 'kutti padminiyai 'kanpithu pattu ezhudha sonnara
alladhu pattukkku thagundharpol kuzhandhaiyai therndethura endru.

Idhe vagaiyil aacharya paduthiya innoru paadal 'chinna chinna kannanukku'(vazhkkai padagu)-Andha padathil naditha kuzhandhaiyum marakka iyalaadhu. Andha kuzandhaiyai patri kavignar ezhudhum podhu

'kannirendum thaamaraiyo kannam minnum endhan kanna'.Azhagaana varnanai andha kuzhandhaiyin azhagukku etrarpol.

Idhe paadalil kavignar naam ellorum rasitha nam kuzhandhai paruvathai varnikkirar.

'annalai ninaikkaiyile ullame thaavudhada
pillaiyai irundhuvittal illai oru thollaiyada.

evvalavu nijamaana karuthukkal .

Innum pala paadalgal idhe vagaiyil undu. Avai varisaipaduthuvadhai piragu vaithukollalaam allava?

Ippodhu Kadhapathirangal thangal karuthai kuzhandhaigalin moolam eppidi velipaduthinar endru parppom.

Annai padathil oru sequence. Sowkar Janakiyin maganai(magan kadhapathirathin peiyar Selvam)Banumathi
thathu eduthu kolgiraar .pala varudangal kazhithu Janaki than maganai thiruppi ketkum podhu,kavignar solgiraar

'Enakku thandha 'Selvathai'ye thiruppi ketka vandhaal
indha 'Selvam'thiruppi thara 'Selvam'illai kannae.'

(paadal 'poovagi kaiyagi kanindha maram ondru')

Pala karuthkkalai irande varigalil adukkiya kavignaraiye paratte iyaladhu. Iyakkunargal kadhaiyai unartha 3 mani neram eduthu kondal adharkku irande varigal podhum pongada ponga endru kannadasan pala samaiyangalil niruppithullar

Matroruvarin kuzhandhaiyai piriya manamilladha Banumathiyai partha naam oru thandhai thaan petra maganidam yevarume ketka koodadha kezhviyai ketpadhaiyum kavignar moolamaaga ketkirom
(Visu jnabagathukku vandhaal naan porupallaeJ)

'Baagapirivinai'padathil vandha paadal

'Aen pirandhai maganae aen pirandhaiyo
illai oru pillaiendru aenguvor pala irukka
ingu vandhu aen pirandhai selva maganae'

'naan pirandha kaaranathai naane ariyum munne
neeyum vandhu aen pirandhai thanga maganae'

andha kadhapathirathin mana virakthiyai vezhipaduthum paadal. Andh pathirathin thuyarathai idhai vida
sirappaga vezhiyida ilayalaadhu.

'thatha adichaaro thaazhamboo chendaale,maama adicharo malligai poo thandaale'endru illadhe maamavaiyum thathavaiyum izhukkum pillai paadalgalil vidhyasapattu andha paadalgalai
kadhapathirathin enna kuviyalukku vadikaalgalaga ubyogikka kavignar kavidhai ezhudhi thandhar

Innum niraiye sollalam. Ellavatraiyum naane ezhudhivittal nanraaga irukkadhu enavae nanbargalae ini ungal karuthukkal
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ta03.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Sep 28 15:45:43 EDT 1997

thangaL kuzhandhaigaLaith thoonga vaikkath tham uNarchigalaip paadalaakkip pirikkappatta aNNan-thangai paadum paadal idhu.

chiragil enai moodi arumai magaL poala vaLartha kadhai sollavaa
kanavil ninayaadha kaalam idai vandhu piritha kadhai sollavaa enath thangai than magaLidam uruga,
kaNNin maNi poala maNiyin nizhal poalak kalandhu pirandhoamadaa
indha maNNum kadal vaanum maRaindhu mudindhaalum maRakka mudiyaadhadaa
uRavaip pirikka mudiyaadhadaa ena aNNan than maganidam urudhi koorugiraan.

kavignarin uvamaigaL paattin arthathil paadhiyai avar varigaLilirundhum meedhiyai nam manadhilirundhum varavazhaikkinrana.
chiragil enai moodi endra moonru vaarthaigaLinaal oru thaaip paravai than kunjugaLaik kaappadhu poal kaathu vaLartha thaai en sagodharar endra arumaiyaana karuthai evvaLavu azhagaagak kavignar sollugiraar?! avar arumai magaL poala enra vaarthaigaLai ezhudhaamalirundhaalum paattin poruL niraindhae irukkum.

adhu poal aNNan varigaLil "vaan--nilavu", "nilam--neer" enru puRathu ulagiluLLa uvamaigaLinri kaNNin maNi, andhak kaNNin maNiyiluLLa nizhal enru en udaloadu ottiya kaNNilae nee oru paagamamma enath thangaiyaip patrich chollaamal
solliyadhum kavignarin chiRappaik kaattum.

maeluLLa varigaLthaan naan uNarchipoorvamaaga anabavithavai; aanaalum, thamizh mozhichuvaiyoadu rasitha varigaL:
nadhiyil viLayaadik kodiyil thalaiseevi nadandha iLanthendralae
vaLar podhigai malai thoandri madhurai nagar kaNdu polindha thamizh mandramae
indha iru varigaLil ethanai varNanaigaL! nadhiyil viLayaadiyadhaal vandha kuLirchiyum, malark kodiyaich cheeviyadhaal vandha naRumaNamum koodiya thendralae enru kuzhandhayai varNippadhae enna sugam!! akkuzhandhayaith thazhuvinaal yaerppadum aanandham ennavenru sollaamal solgiraaroa kavignar? thenpodhigayil thoanri, madhuraichangathil veetrirukkum muthamizhae enru kuzhandhayai varNippadhu, munnum pinnum thoanria pulavarum kavignarum thamizhukku vazhangiya athanai arumaiyum perumaiyum polindhadhu kuzhandhai enru aagiRadhu. Kaviyarasar varNanaith thiRanae thiRan!!!
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Sun Sep 28 23:33:50 EDT 1997

Ramki & Kanchana:

Excellent start. It's worth mentioning here that
in 1968 Kavinjar got the national award for the
kuzhandhai paattu: dhEvan vandhaan dhEvan vandhaan
kuzhandhai vadivilE. (This song is very ordinary by
Kannadhasan standards; I think it got the award
because of its pointer to National Integration.)

Naan rasiththa Kavinjarin sila (PiLLai?) varigaL:

Thanakkendru illaadha maganai manadhil kaRpanai paNNip
paadum sOgamaana peNNin varigaL: (solladaa vaay thiRandhu
ammavendru from Neela Vaanam)

malarillaadha thOttamaa kaniyillaadha vaazhaiyaa
maganillaadha annaiyaa maganE nee illaiyaa

ninaivil vandha nimmadhi nEril vandhadhillaiyaa
manadhil mattum annaiyaa maganE nee illaiyaa

Oru kuzhandhaiyidam nallaa agappattuk koNdu paadu padum (& paattu paadum)
oru aaLin varigaL. (appappaa naan appanalladaa
from Galattaa KalyaaNam)
Nalla comedy lines:

thaalaatta sonnaal paattondru solvEn
paalootta sonnaal naan engu pOvEn

kaNakkaaga piLLai peRugindra thittam
enakkaagaththaanO ERpatta sattam

(Ingu Kavinjar thannai patri sollugiRaarO?)

kadankaaran vandhaal kalangaatha nenjam
adangaatha piLLai azhuthaalE anjum

Kuzhandhai vaLarththavargaLukku theriyum ivvarigaLin uNmai!

Than manaivi iRandha pin kaNavan kuzhandhaiyidam
paadum paadal: (naan kadavuLai kaNdEn en kuzhandhai
vadivilE from Kallum kaniyaagum, TMS urugi paadi nadiththadhu)

unakkoru thaay pOl thanakkillaiyE endru iRaivan kEttaanO
enakkena unnai koduththu un annai angE pOnaaLO

Kaal oonamuLLa kuzhandhaiyai paarththu Hero paadum paadal:
(En Thambi)

muththu nagaiyE unnai naanaRivEn
thaththum kiLiyE ennai nee aRivaay

Note the use of the word thaththum to refer to the
child's defect. Further,

kaNNazhagu paarththaal pon edhaRkku
kaiyazhagu paarththaal poo edhaRkku
kaalazhagu paarththaal DheivaththiRkku
karuNai endroru pEredharkku

are beautiful lines!

Naayagi, naayagan sonnadhai nambi avan valaiyil vizhundhu
thaayaaga nErida, naayagan avaLai vittu mella nazhuvi vidugiRaan.
(Alwa?) Naayagi, nadandha kadhaiyai kuzhandhaikku paadalil
sollum siRappaana Kavinjarin varigaL: (kaNNE paappaa en
kanimuththu paappaa)

paniththuLi vandhu sippiyil vizhundhu
vandhadhu muththu en mannavan soththu

Chiththiraththil oru thaththuvam uNdu ezhuthiyavan engE
saththiyaththil oru nambikkai koNdu thazhuviyavaL ingE
sangamaagum kadalum nadhiyum pirivadhillai kaNNE
sandhiththa kaNgaL nandri sollaamal nadandhanavE kaNNE
aayiram ninaivu avasara uRavu
iRaivanin mudivu adhu nee vandha varavu

Idhaip pOndru innOru paadalilum Kavinjar nandraaga nadandha
kadhaiyai solgiRaar: vaLarndha kalai maRandhuvittaay
kELadaa kaNNaa. Indha paadal varigaL ellOrukkum
nandraaga theriyum; so I don't have to repeat.

Naayagi, maNam purindhu paRppala aaNdugaLukkup pinthaan
thaayaagiRaaL; kuzhandhaikku paadum paadalil avaL than
kaNavanukku nandri sollugiRaaL: (KaNNaa Nalamaa)

naan kEttEn avan thandhaan thaalaattum thaayaanEn
naaL paarththu oor sErththu pEr soottum thaayaanEn
avanindri ivan engE en nandri thalaivanukkE

You see a similar Thank You to the Male in neerOdum vaigaiyilE:
Naayagan:
Naan kaadhalenum kavidhai sonnEn kattilin mElE
Naayagi:
andha karuNaikku naan parisu thandhEn thottilin mElE
(Ramki: sensing some male chauvinism of Kannadhasan here?)
From: Ramki (@ pm137-06.dialip.mich.net) on: Mon Sep 29 00:11:27 EDT 1997

Sathya keerthi if im not wrong 'appappa naan appanaladaa'is by Vaali.
From: kuvA_kuvA_paiyan (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Mon Sep 29 03:23:05 EDT 1997

Ramki is right about vaali about "appapA nAn appanalladA".

In Shanthi Nilayam, the whole song "KadavuL oru nAl ulagaik kAna"
is a great imagination by Kannadasan.
God came to see what is happening on earth, saw
so many bad things, heard so many complaints from
makkaL and finally satisified that love, truth and
all the good things exist in the form of kuzanthaigaL - enbathu arumaiyAna karuthu.

kallum kaniyAgum pAttuku en explanation:

KadavuL enbathu, pillayArum murugarum illai, athu
unmai, anbu, pAsam endra nalla feelingsthAn athai
chinna kuzanthaigalidam kAnalAm enbathai:

nAn kadavulaik kandEn en kuzanthai vadivilE

endru sonnathu sooper unmai.
From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Mon Sep 29 09:00:10 EDT 1997

Ramki:
In one of his interviews MSV had mentioned about 'muththana muthallvo' that it took only about 30 mts to compose the whole song (lyrics and tune).
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ti02.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Sep 29 09:59:09 EDT 1997

Sathiya Keerthi:
neeroadum vaigayilae which you discussed above is another of my favorites because of its sol nayam and the music. Let me put this as delicately as possible so as not to offend my sensitivities & others', but this is a poetry discussion after all -- I would have preferred the lines to be as follows:
thalaivan:
naam kaadhalenum kavidhai sonnoam kattilin maelae
thalaivi:
andhak kavidhaikku naan parisu thandhaen thottilin maelae
This way, it is less chauvinistic and more realistic, and wouldn't have compromised the tune or the culture (I think?) . More importantly, it differentiates and elevates the woman's role as she transitions from a mate to a mother, while acknowledging she is both.
From: ramki (@ c12.lab.cae.wmich.edu) on: Mon Sep 29 10:25:05 EDT 1997

Indha madhiri nandri solli sollithaan
Indiavoda populatione jasthi aayiduchu:)))))
From: Ramki (@ csi19.cs.wmich.edu) on: Mon Sep 29 15:02:31 EDT 1997

Pirakka pogum kuzhandhaiyia patri alladhu pirandha kuzhandhaiyinai patriya avargalin petrorgal konda kanavinai azhagaaga sonnavar kavignar:

Udharnathukku:

'thathi chellum muthu kannan chirippu'(thangapadhakkam) pattil kavignar koorugirar

`engal edhirkaalam avan konda poruppu'

Ore vakkiyathil ellavatriyum adakkinaalum melum kavignar koorugirar

`thanga maganai petravalendru ennai ulagam solli magizhum'

Kanavu kanavu.Aanal andha pillai urupadavillai endral andha petrorgalin ematrathaiyum koorugirar

`adi thangum ullam idhu idi thanguma
idi pole pillai vandhal madi thanguma'
(sodhanai mel sodhanai )

Pirakka pogum kuzhandhaiya patri konda kanavinai
indha pattin moolam azhagaaga koorugirar(padam:naanum or penn)

`ulladum uyirondru kanden
avan uruvathai naan endru kanben'

thalaivi ketkiral thalaivanidam adharkku avan koorum badhil

'thalladi thalladi varuvaan
thaniyadha inbathai tharuvaan'

Ennai migavum kavarndha matroru paadal 'anbu vandhadhu ennai aalavandhadhu'(sudarum sooravaliyum)

annaiyai izhandha pillaigalidam thandhai paadugiraar

'thai illadha pillaigalai naan vida matten
naan illadha podhu devan kai vida mattan'

evvalavu nambikkai oottum paadal.

(sameebathil 'kalki'padathil Ilandhevan ennum pudhiya kavignar sila arpudhamaana varigal thandhirundhar.Adhuvum 'ezhudhugiren oru kadidham'
ennum paadalil avarin sila varigal arpudhamagairundhana. andha pattil oru vari

`puravai pole santhamai panpadu potru penne
kanaavil kooda sombele illamal jnanam thedu
kannae
nallavalaaga nadai podu
vallavalaagida thadai aedhu'
sorry for the digression)
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tc64.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Sep 29 15:53:37 EDT 1997

piLLai piRappadhaRkku mun paadum vaLaikaappup paadalgaLum piLLaip paadalgaLae. thaaikkuLLirukkum saei kaettu magizhvadharkaagavae "kala kala"venru vaLaigal chootti inimaiyaana paadalgaLaip paadudhal vazhakkamenru oru karuthu undu.

Karnan padathil varum indha vaLaikaappup paadaill mudhalil thaaiyai varnikkiraar Kavignar:
malargaL chootti manjal poosi
thilagam theetti vaLayal pootti
vaazhvenrum vaazh enrae
vaazhthup paaduvoam

mudhalil thayai vaazthia Kavignar aduthu, piRakkap poagum kodai vaLLal KarNanin piLLai thandhaiyaip poaliruppaan engiraar:
karNan thandha piLLai enraal
kaarmaegam allavaa
edhir kaalathil indha dhaesathil
avan karuNai seivaan allavaa

Who wrote the lyrics for the movie "Ramu"? Also who is the lyricist for naan petra selvam nalamaana selvam by TMS?
From: Ramki (@ csi19.cs.wmich.edu) on: Mon Sep 29 16:18:35 EDT 1997

Kannadhasan was the lyricist for all the songs in 'Ramu'(muthu chippi melle melle thirandhu varum'pattai patri koora pogireergala kanchana?)
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tc64.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Sep 29 17:38:49 EDT 1997

Ramki:
Thank you--how do you remember all this info? Yes, I wanted to talk about another song from Ramu.

kuzhandhaigaLukkup petroar thaalaattup paaduvadhu viduthu, kuzhandhai thaai-thandhaiyai thoonga vaikkap paadum paadal idhu.
pachai maram onru
ichai kiLi rendu
paattu cholli thoonga cheivaen ariraroa

aLLi thandha annai
solli thandha thandhai
uLLam koNda piLLai
naan allavoa
katti thangam endru
kannam thottu kondu
aasai mutham thandhaen aariraroa

Kavignarin eLimayaana indha varigaLil inimaiyaaga iNaindha oru kudumbathai nam kaNmun niruthugindrana. Aanaal adhae kudumbam annaiyai izhandhu, piLLai vaaichollayum izhandhu thavikkum poadhu thandhai adhae paattai vaeru vidhamaaga paadugiraar:
aasai kiLi angae (iRandha manaivi)
oomai kiLi ingae (vaayizhandha piLLai)
thandhai kiLi nenjil amaidhi engae
eLimaiyaana varigaLil eedillaa sogam!

Ramki, neengaLae muthu chippi mella mella thirandhu varum paattai patri sollungaLaen!
From: Ramki (@ c10.lab.cae.wmich.edu) on: Mon Sep 29 21:03:15 EDT 1997

Kanchana enakku Muthu chippi paadal patri avvalavaaga theriyadhu(innum Ramu parkkavillai)Aanal padathil Pushpalatha indha paadalai paaduvar endru ninaikkiren.Neengale adhai patri ezhudhividungalaen?

Btw 'pachai maram ondru'paadalil 'aasai kizhi angae'endru irandha manaivi patri koorugirara alladhu Ganesanukkuaaga aasaiyudan kathirukkum
irandavadhu manaivi KRVijaya patri koorugiraara??
enakku indha sandeham neenda naatkalaaga ulladhu.

Adhae padathil 'kannan vandhan angae kannan vandhan'paadalil varum varigal kooda migam suvaiyanavai.

'karunai ennum kann thirandhu parkka vendum
kaaval ennum kai neeti kakka vendum
kani mazhalai kural koduthu paada vendum
kann maraindha thaiyum adhai ketka vendum
kavalaigalai unnidathil thandhen kanna
karunaiye arul seiyya varuvai kanna'

TMSin ganeer kuralil sogam thadhumbum arumaiyaana paadal
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Sep 30 04:16:50 EDT 1997

Parents, becoming so happy seeing their kid
starting to walk, sing:

alli thaNdu kaal eduththu adimEl adi eduththu
chinnakaNNan nadakkaiyilE chiththirangaL enna seyyum

pollaadha sirippum ponmEni sivappum
sollaadha kadhaigaLai sollum
muththu navaraththinangaLai avan mOganap punnagai sollum

Kaninjarin arumaiyaana varigaL!

Later on, the mother sings:

neerOdai pOlE nee Odum vELai ooraargaL kaN padalaamO
aLLi aLLi edukkaiyilE aththaanai maRandhiruppOmO

What does she mean by the last line? She is so
absorbed with the kid that she will forget her
husband? But why does she say pOmO as if
she is including the child also in the forgetting?
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Tue Sep 30 04:27:07 EDT 1997

Ramki.. I thought you had gone for MS. have
you converted it to PhD?

"Annan", "Thangai", "Thambi" ungal moovarukkum
eppadi time kidaikkuthu-nu aacharyamaa irukku.

Thadangalukku varunthugiren. Pl continue..
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Tue Sep 30 04:43:38 EDT 1997

Among the millions of Kannadhasan's songs, one song that is very close to my heart is the brother-sister song in Paasa Malar. What has that got to do with pillai paadalgal, you may ask. Due to family problems the brother and sister are separated. In singing this thaalattu song, they hope to seal their relationship through their offsprings. Yes, the song I am refering to is: malarndhum malaraadha paadhi malar poala malarum vizhivannamae.

Annanin ethirpaarpukkal ivvarigalil velipadugirathu: aththai magallai manam kondu ilamai vazhi kandu vaazhap pirandhaayadaa.

Thangaiyin paasaththei ippadi veliyaakiraal: maaman thangai magalaana mangai unakkaaga
ulagai vilai paesuvaar.

Thangai remembers how her brother protected her in her youth: siragil enai moodi arumai magal poala valarththa kadhai sollavaa.

And Annan recollects how close they were : kannil mani poala maniyil nizhal poala kalandhu pirandhoamadaa.

The end of the song reiterates how their love for each other will never die: indha mannum kadal vaanum maraindhu mudindhaalum marakka mudiyaadhadaa, uravaip pirikkamudiyaadhadaa.

I won't be surprised if many an eye shed a tear from my recollection.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ti02.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Sep 30 09:04:22 EDT 1997

Rajaraman:
Enjoyed the humor in your question. eppadi naeram kidaikkaradhunnu kaettirukkenga. Kannadhasan is a TFM kavignar close to my heart, so avarai patri discuss pannradhukku I make the time via the following avenues: (1) I usually ignore other threads in the forum if there is a "kavidhai" discussion thread such as this; (2) I skipped reading The Wall Street Journal yesterday to make time for this thread; (3) skipped going out for lunch with my colleagues and had lunch at my desk. (Of course, I wrote my longest response on Sunday from home.) Small sacrifices to appreciate Kannadhasan's contributions, won't you agree? :-))
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tk42.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Sep 30 12:50:56 EDT 1997

Ramki:
In response to your questions on Pachai maram & muthu chippi.

When Gemini sings aasai kiLi angae the camera does pan over to K.R.Vijaya in the movie, so you are right. But I prefer to think that Kavignar wrote it for a husband missing his dear departed wife.

muthu chippi mella mella thirandhu varum is sung by KRVijaya in the movie, Pushpalatha's character dies very early in the movie.
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Oct 1 03:29:19 EDT 1997

Rajaraman:

My answer to your quesion:
If you love to so something, you'll find the time,
irrespective of what happens.

(An useful corollary:
If someone says there is no time to do something,
it means that he doesn't love doing that thing.)

Sari Kavinjarukku varuvOm. As my brother pointed out
earlier, Kannadhasan has done an excellent job
relating kuzhandhai and dheivam;
the best song that he wrote to convey this idea:

kuzhandaiyum dheivamum guNaththaal ondru
kutrangaLai maRandhuvidum manaththaal ondru
nadandhadhellaam ninaippadhudhaan thuyaram endru
gnaanigaLum mEdhaigaLum sonnaar andru

(memory is cause of sorrow)

piRandhu vandha pOdhu nenjam thiRandhirundhadhu
andha piLLaiyOdu dheivam vandhu kudiyirundhadhu
vayadhu vandha pOdhu nenjil mayakkam vandhadhu
angu vaay thiRandha dheivam konjam vilagi sendradhu

(God leaves you once you become older!)

uchchi veyyil sooriyanai mEgam mooduthu
nam uLLam ennum sooriyanai kObam mooduthu
kaatru vandhaal maRupadiyum mEgam Oduthu
pEsi kalandhuvittaal kObam maaRi nEsam aaguthu

(More on Anger:)

piLLaigaLai irundhavardhaan periyavar aanaar
andha periyavargaL kObaththinaal siRiyavar aanaar
kaLLamillaa uLLaththinaal piLLaigaLellaam
endrum kaNNedhirE kaaNugindra dheivangaLaanaar

Most simple explanations as to why kuzhandhai
and dheivam are the same.
(Occam's principle: most simple explanation is always
the most beautiful explanation.)
From: Ramki (@ c09.lab.cae.wmich.edu) on: Wed Oct 1 09:49:31 EDT 1997

Sathya keerthi ,Was Vaali not he lyricist for all
the songs in Kuzhandhaiyum deivamum??
From: Bhaskar (@ dutyfree.proxy.lucent.com) on: Wed Oct 1 16:20:50 EDT 1997

My favourite kuzhandhai padals:
Chinna Chinna Kannanukku yenna dhan punnaigayo ?
PBS, Music by MSV. Is this song by Kannadhasan ?

Attahi madi metthai adi, aadi velaiyadamma
aadum varai aadivittu alli vizhi moodamma
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tj63.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Oct 1 17:11:28 EDT 1997

Kannadhasan's literary fans, for your information:
There is a TV pattimandram video entitled Kannadhasanin paadalgaLil vinjiyadhu kaadhalaa thathuvamaa. Moderator is Valampuri John.
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ liberty.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Oct 2 00:31:27 EDT 1997

Ramki:

I know Vaali wrote anbuLLa maanvizhiyE,
but did he write the other songs too? I am
not sure. I will find out and let you know.
From: Ramki (@ c34.lab.cae.wmich.edu) on: Thu Oct 2 14:22:03 EDT 1997

Sathya if im not wrong he wrote all the songs.REmeber that was the period when AVM was sort of promoting Vaali (uyarndha manidhan,Anbae vaa etc).But pls do confirm.Thanks
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tj63.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Oct 2 18:50:47 EDT 1997

Bhaskar:
In response to your question, Kannadhasan did write the song chinna chinna kaNNanukku you had mentioned. Some nice lines which reinforce the "God in Child" concept mentioned above kaLLamtra veLLai mozhi
Dhevan thandha piLLai mozhi.

However, all the songs in Karpagam, including athai madi methaiyadi were written by Vaali.
From: bhaskar (@ dutyfree.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Oct 2 20:46:50 EDT 1997

Kanchana:

Thanks for the clarification, I am planning to
buy a computer at home which will make me to
involve in this discussion more frequently.
TFM discussion forum is really exciting.
From: Sundar Ramanathan (@ 202.54.10.95) on: Fri Oct 3 08:09:36 EDT 1997

ramki...

i'm reminded of an anecdote on seeing

'piLLaiyaai irundhu vittaal
illai oru thollaiyada'

from your moving description of
chinna chinna kannanukku - vaazkkai padagu

a son was born to panju arunachalam
who named him after his uncle as 'muthiah'
the child was pampered by doting relatives
the child (and kannadasan too)
lost much sleep over it

so he writes

avanai ezuppaathIr appadiyE thUngaatum
intha vayathinilE, ippozudhu thUnguvathE
sugamaana thUkkam, avan
sugamaaga thUngattum

kaNNai vizithintha
kaasiniyai paargungaal
enna thuyar varumO
engengu adi vizumO

kaadhal varumO
kaadhalukku thadai varumO
mOdhal varumO
muRai keduvaar thuNai varumO

nandri yila naNbarthaam
naaRpuramum sUzvaarO
nalamizantha peNNoruthi
naayagiyaai varuvaaLO

....

endrellam paadiyirukkiraar

the child expired next week

kannadasan sOgamaaga 'sonna padi thUngivittaan'
endru atharkkum oru paadal paadiyuLLaar

'aRam paadi vittEnO
aRiyEn, siRu kuruvi
thiRam paada maataamal
seththa kadhai paadugirEn'

(i dont remember this song in full
but it goes on to illustrate the
fact that elevated souls as kaviyarasu
look at ecstacy & despair
from a totally different viewpoint
than us - common men
From: Sundar Ramanathan (@ 202.54.10.95) on: Fri Oct 3 08:11:34 EDT 1997

forgot to mention...

the above poems are from

kannadaasan kavithaikal - ainthaam thoguthu
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tc64.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Oct 3 08:43:06 EDT 1997

Sundar:
I'd appreciate it very much if you can give me details on the Kannadhasan poetry book you had mentioned--publisher, how many volumes in total etc. Thank you.
From: Ramki (@ cs514.cs.wmich.edu) on: Fri Oct 3 09:31:02 EDT 1997

Sundar thanks for the info it was indeed very touching.

Kannadasan ilaiyarajavin isaiyil moondru azhagaana paadalgal(adhavadhu pillai paadalgal thandhullar)

Naan mudhalail koora pogum paadal yaarum pidikkal
vaillai endru odhukkiyirkka mattargal. Andha paadalin varigalum,kaatchiamaippum,isaiyum miga miga arumai. Neengal innum oogikkavillai endral andha paadal 'azhagiye kannae'-udhirip pookkal padathil idam petradhu.
Kanavan kodumai seidhalum than kuzhandhaiyin moolam nimmadhi kaanum oru thaiyin mananiliyai arupudhamaaga koorugirar kavignar

'azhagiye kannae uravugal neeye'

Indha ulagathil unnai thavire veru uravillai magalae engriaal thai

'nee engae ini naan angae
en sei alla thaiyum neeye'

Thannai petrai thaiy tharum sugathai pole,nimmadhiyai pole neeyum tharuvadhal nee en
sei alla thai engiraal

'sorgam eppodhum nam kaiyile
adhai naan kangiren un kangilie'

Sorgathai thedi engum alaiyai vendam un iru kangalin parvai podhum adhuve nijamaana sorgam engriaar kavignar.

Thaan padum thunbathil engu thai paasam kooda maraindhu vidumo endra bayam undaguriadhu .Adhanaal koorugiral

'sangam kaanadhadhu tamizhumalla
thanai ariyadhaval thaiyum alla'

arupudhamaana paadal.

Innoru paadal 'kavarimann'padathil Sivajikkaga ezhudhiya 'poo pole un punnagaiyin'paadal.

aaramba varigale thandhaiyin magal pasathai vilakkum

'poo pole un punnagaiyil
pon ulaginai kandenamma
en kannae kannin maniye
en uyire uyirin oli neeye'

'en kannae kannin maniye'paasamalar paadalilum
indha varigal irundhadhai kanchana kuruppitirindhar.

aanal adhil thangai patri paadum oru annan ingeyo magalai patri paadum thandhai.

tban magalai varnikkirar:

'poongatrile siru poongadi pol nee nadappadhu nattiyamae
poongodiye pudhu sangeetham pol nee sirippadhu
kaaviyame'

vaa magalae ennai par magalae
en ulagin oli neeye'

Moondravadhu paadal satru vidhyasamaana paadal.
Kanavan than manaiviyin kuzhandhaiyai(aamam manaiviyin kuzhandhai)thoonga vaikka kadhai solgiraan

'vidukadhai ondru thodarkadhai ondru
yaar kadhai edhu dhan endru nee dhan arivaiyo
en kaanae
aarambam mudivum engae arindhal solvaiyo'

Thavaru seidha manaiviyai manam thirandhu e
aetru kondaalum siru mana uruthalai paadalil velipaduthugiraan

'magan pole ennai madi
aendhum ennai
yaarendru nee kelada annaiyai
aval solluval unnidam unmaiyai'

ahdarkku avan manaivi koorugiral

'naaldhorum nenjin nalam naadum
deivam
thaalattavae vandhadhu unnaiye
nee sollada annaiyin nenjinai'

husband clean bold. Avanai deivam endru thooki vaithu vidurgiraar manaivi .Ini pesa mudiyuma?

Indha paadal idam petra padam 'oru vidukadhai oru thodarkadhai'

oops indha padathirkku isai Ilaiyaraja alla but Gangai amaren.
From: Sundar Ramanathan (@ 202.54.10.80) on: Sun Oct 5 05:31:11 EDT 1997

guys...

went out and checked about the second poem
this beats out any of his filmi stuff in
varNanai

he starts out by describing the child as

muthup pallakku
muLai thezuntha siRu kIrai
thaththum kiLi
thEvathaaru uthirththa ilai

and ends up by being very philosophical

sanchalmEn ? antha
thanik karuNaik kaNNanidam
naamum parappavar thaam
naamum parappavar thaam
naaLaiyO maruthinamO
naamum parappavar thaam

sorry if i'd bored any of you with non-filmi poems

kanchana...

during kannadasan's lifetime kannappan and
panchu arunachalam had collected his poems
published in various magazines and ones
concoted during special occasions and published
through vaanathi thirunaavukkarasu

they are in 7 volumes titled
'kannadasan kavithaigal'

publisher - vaanathi pathippakam

later, his son gaandhi kannadaasan republished
some of these under his own banner
'kannadaasan pathippakam'
From: Sundar Ramanathan (@ 202.54.10.80) on: Sun Oct 5 06:04:38 EDT 1997

thaalaattu piLLai undu thaalaattu - achchaaNi(?)
is very close to my heart

mey silirthida magan padithathu
mazalai endra manthiram
yaazisaiyilum Ezisaiyilum
illai intha mohanam

(thirukuraLinum eLimai, inimai)

vaazkaiyilE vazakkukaLai
en magan naaLai thIrththu vaippaan
varuththamuRum maanidarkku
maruththuvam seithu magiznthiruppaan

(what hopes!)
(eventually ithu bajaj autovile ukkanthu
internet surf paNNum endru yaar kandaar?)
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tk22.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Oct 5 09:37:10 EDT 1997

Sundar:
Thanks for the info on Kannadhasan's books, as well as his kavidhaigaL above.
From: Ramki (@ c37.lab.cae.wmich.edu) on: Sun Oct 5 12:16:01 EDT 1997

Sundar sorry to point out 'thalattu' is by Vaali.
Now im able to guess why Vaali didnt become as popular as Kannadasan when many of us think that all good songs in kannadasan days were written by one and only kannadasan
From: Pagalavan (@ waterboy.cisco.com) on: Sun Oct 5 13:26:19 EDT 1997

ramki

vidukathai onDRu thodarkathai onDRu.. is from oru vidukathi oru thodarkathai MD is GA (Not IR).
From: Ramki (@ pm136-19.dialip.mich.net) on: Mon Oct 6 01:27:40 EDT 1997

Pagalavan i have metioned it in my last line
From: Sundar Ramanathan (@ 202.54.10.82) on: Tue Oct 7 07:31:01 EDT 1997

ramki

thanks for the clarification
i suppose one is only as good as the competition

vaali seems to have matched
kannadaasan word for word then
it is sad that he churns out lousy stuff today
(as good(sic) as vairamuthu ?!!)
From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ ww-tc64.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Oct 11 15:53:16 EDT 1997

In the film "Chithi"... there is a song
"Kalamadi kalamidhu.. kaNNuraangu pOn magaLe... ". Is this song written by Kannadasan or someone else?

What about the song in Iru MalargaL...
When Rojaramani asks for another brother.???

What about the songs in "Enga Maamaa"?

What about the song "Varatha kadhai marandhu vittaL kELada kaNNa.."?
idhu varai Mega Thudhu, Pura Thudhu, Nila Thudhu... ippadi parthirukkirom.. anaal kavingar indha paadalil "Kuzhandahi Thudhu" ezhudhi irukkirar.

Keep discussing this topic.

N-andriyudan
Prakash
From: Ramki (@ c07.lab.cae.wmich.edu) on: Sun Oct 12 14:24:53 EDT 1997

Prakash chiti song was written by Kannadhasan..but indha song innoru threadle discuss pannitom

'iru malargal'song 'oru maharaja oru maharaani
indha iruvarukkum iva kutti rani'was written by
vaali

'valarndha kadhai marandhuvital'pathi neeye dhan
ezhudhiden

Thanks for reminding 'enga maama'song esp sella kizhigalaam

some of the lines are really touching

'kanrin kuralum kanni tamizhum
sollum varthai amma amma
karunai thedi alaiyum uyirgal
urugum varthai amma amma
endha manadhil paasam undo
andha manamae amma amma
inba kanavai alli tharavae
iraivan ennai thandhan amma'

'thandhai oruvan andha iraivan
avanum thandhai illadhavan
thannai thedi aengum pillai
kannil urakkam kolvaan avan
poovum ponnum porundhi vaazhum
mazhalai kettu thandhan avan
naalai ulagil neeyum naanum
vazha vazhigal seivaan avan'

arpudhamaana paadal
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Mon Oct 13 05:35:35 EDT 1997

Ramki - this song sends shivers up my spine - I don't know why! Maybe Kanchana can come up with a good psychological analysis! Wow! What a song!
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tj63.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Oct 13 20:42:32 EDT 1997

NOV:
The song from Enga Mama is sung by the hero to a bunch of orphans he adopts and brings up against all odds, and hence the intense poignancy around those two verses esp. endha manadhil paasam uNdoa andha manamae amma amma and thandhai oruvan andha iRaivan avanum annai illaadhavan.

Ramki:
I've been dying to post the lyrics to this eternal classic referenced by Prakash, so with your indulgence I will do so here (even tho we've discussed it in the Thathuvam thread and the Kaadhal thread). Thank you.
peNNaaga piRandhu vittaal kaNNuRakkam irandu muRai
piRappil oru thookkam iRappil oru thookam
ippoadhu vittu vittaal eppoadhum thookamillai
ennariya kaNmaNiyae kaNNuRangu kaNNuRangu

kaalamidhu kaalamidhu kaNNuRangu magaLae
kaalamidhai thavaRa vittaal thookkamillai magaLae

naalu vayadhaana pinnae paLLi viLayaadal
naaL muzhudhum paada chollum theLLu thamizh paadal
eNNiraNdu vayadhu vandhaal kaNNuRakkam illaiyadi
eeraezhu mozhigaLudan poaraadum thollaiyadi (kaalam)

maaRum kanni manam maaRum kaNNan mugam thaedum
yaekkam vandha poadhu thookkam enbadhaedhu
thaan ninaitha kaadhalanai chaera varum poadhu**
thandhai adhai maRuthu vittaal kaNNuRakkam yaedhu**
maalayitta kaNavan vandhu saelai thodum poadhu
mangaiyarin thaenilavil kaNNuRakkam yaedhu (kaalam)

aiyirandu thingaLilum piLLai peRum poadhum
annaiyendru vandha pinnae kaNNuRakkam yaedhu
peNN madindhu kaNN maRaindhu kaalam vandhu koodum
kaaNaadha thookkam ellaam thaanaaga chaerum (kaalam)

But for the asterisked lines, this song applies to life in general. Kannadhasan does an excellent job of describing each milestone/ challenge faced at every lifestage, which makes this song eternal. I've always been curious how Kannadhasan would have updated this song to include the Mom-Wife-CareerWoman combo role some of today's women have to play?
From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ mpngate3.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Oct 16 15:39:53 EDT 1997

Ramki...
I don't know the song "VaLartha kalai Marandhu vittaL kELada kaNNa... " fully...

But I know that Gemini ask Savithri to draw. That time Gemini sings this song as "Kuzhandhai Thoodhu" and Savithri retaliates in the same way.

BTW who wrote the song
"padhinAru vayathinilE padhinEzhu piLLaiyamma... thalattu pada vandhEn thayaga villaiyamma?".

I think one more song in Enga Mamma is very good. The very first song sung by TMS.

Then another song from Karuppu PaNNam.
That is also very good. I think That song is
"agAram Thamizhukku Sigaram... ".

BTW Who wrote the song "ThirudathE pappa ThirudaathE.... "? Is it KaNNadhasan or Pattukottai?

Shall we consider the song "oru thaai makkaL N-aam enbOm...." from the film Anandha Jothi as piLLai padaL?

Another song from Kaidhi KaNNairam,,
"konji konji pesi madhi mayakkum
vanjakarin uLLam valai virikkum..."
is also very great. I am sure that it is written by KaNNadhasan. It is also a very good Pillai Paadal..

en N-inaivirkku varum paadalgaaLai avvapozhudhu kurupidukirEn...

N-andriyudan
Prakash
From: Ramki (@ c42.lab.cae.wmich.edu) on: Thu Oct 16 16:54:47 EDT 1997

Indha threadkku appappo uyir kodukkum Prakashkku
nANDRI

'valarndha kalai marandhuvittal'paadal katchiyai
explain pannamna adhoda full kadhai theriyanum
appa dhan suvaiya irukkum.This song is from
kathirindha kangal.

Kadhai idhu dhaan: Padathil savithri dual role.As usual pirandha udanae pirinchidraanga. Gemini oru doctor. Avar oru gramathil velai seiyum podhu
Gramathil irukkum oru savithri geminayai love
panraanga(Gemini indha savithriyai parkkavae mattar). Madras thirumbum Gemini Avaroda patient
Rangarao kitte irukkum innoru savithrai love pannuvar.Indha savithriyum(savi2)ivarai love pannuvanga. Savi 2 oru artist. So avanga
Geminiyin padathai variavanga but adhu fulla complete panrathukkule friendoda kalyaanathukku
veroru oorukku povanga. Meanwhile gramathu Savithri(savi1)anadhaiyudvaanga. Avanga amma irakkarthukku munnadi unnoda twin sister madrasle irukka nee poi paaru appidinnu address kuduthuttu udanae sethu poiduvangae:)(kadhai solli moochu vangudhu)..ok thodarvom

Savi2 um Savi1 um ore trainle travel panrappo
train accident aayidum.Adhile Savi2kku amnesia
varre Savi1 -savi2veetukku vandhirvaanga. Angae vandhadhum Savi2 dhan geminiyoda lover therinjidum.
Ivangalum Geminiyai love panradhanaale ivanga dhan
Savi2nnu poi solli Geminiyai kalyanam panniduvanga.

Kalyanam aagai kuzhandhaiyum vandhappuram dhan Geminikku Savi2 incompleta vitta avaroda painting
jnabagam varum.So Savi1nnai varaiya solluvar.Ivangalukko paintingnna kilo enneenu keppanga.Gemini insist panna andha padathai pottu udaichiduvaanga

appa dhan indha paadal(ammadi:)

'varaindha kalai marandhu vittal kelada kanna
aval vadithu vaitha oviyathai paarada kanna'

adharkku Savi koorugirar

'kudumba kalai podhumendru koorada kannaa
adhil kooda indha kalaigal veru aenada kannaa'

Geminikko sandeham

'kaadhal konda pennai ingu kaanume kanna
kattiyaval maari vittal aenada kanna'

adharkku Saviyin badhil

'kaadhali dhan manaivi endru koorada kannaa'(beautiful line illaiaya?)
andru kannai moodi kondirundhar aenada kanna'

ippodhu varaiyum kalaikku evvalavu azhagaaga koorugirar paarungal

'manadhil andre ezhudhi vaithen theriyuma kanna'
adhai marupadiyum ezhudha sonnaal mudiyuma kanna'

ippodhu Gemini konjam thazhaindhu pogiraar

'dhinam dhinam aen kobam kondaal keladaa kanna
aval thevai enne aasai enne koorasol kanna'

adharkku savi double meaningoda

'ninaithadhellam veliyil solla mudiyuma kanna
adhu nee pirandha pinbu kooda iyaluma kanna'

Gemini

'indru varai nadandhadhellam pogattum kanna
ini ennidathil kobamindri vazhsol kanna'

Savi
'avarillemal enakku veru yaarada kannaa
naan adaikalamai vandhaval dhan koorada kanna'

Kadhai therindhal paadalin artham puriyumnudhan
ivvalavu periya posting.Sorry abt that:)

'
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Oct 16 20:22:27 EDT 1997

Prakash:

padhinaaRu vayadhinilE is by Vaali
(Padam: Annamitta Kai, MD: KVM)

Neenga sonna Enga Maamaa paadal:
naan thannanthani kaattu raaja

ThirudaathE paappaa thirudaathE is by
PattukkOttai KalyaaNasundharam. Avar ezhuthiya
innum sila piLLai paadalgaL:
chinnappayalE chinnappayalE sEthi kELadaa
thoongaathE thambi thoongaathE
unnaik kaNdu naanaada ennaik kaNdu neeyaada
chinnanjiRu kaNmalar sempavaLa vaaymalar

Ramki:

Shall we expand the thread to include piLLai
paadalgaL by other kavinjars too? The reason
I am saying this is because I doubt whether we
will start another thread on piLLai paadalgaL!
From: Ramki (@ pm133-22.dialip.mich.net) on: Fri Oct 17 00:30:20 EDT 1997

Sathya i too was thinking on similar lines. Let us discuss abt 'non-kannadasan'songs also:)

To start with

'oorukku uzhaippavan'padathil PUlamaipithan
ezhudhiya oru siriya aanal azhagaana paadal

'iravu paadagan oruvan vandhaan
nenjilirundhu paadal kondu vandhaan
kathurippal endru devadhaikku thendral katrinile
oru thoodhu vittan'

ippodhu than maganin azhagai varnikkirar

'budhanin mugamo en thathuva chudaro'

Buddhanai pondre santhamaana oliveesum mugam konda
kuzhandaiyam

'chithira vizhiyo adhil ethanai kalaiyo'

KJYesudossin miga miga inimiyaaana kuralil olikkum
indha paadal adhigamaaga prabalamaagavillai.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tb64.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Oct 18 23:48:56 EDT 1997

The first song from "Enga Mama" is sung by the hero who is raising orphans (referred by Prakash). Kannadhasan is the lyricist. My favorite lines are asterisked.

He describes himself and them as follows:
naan thannandhani kaattu raja
en thoatathil ethanai roja
naan theeraadha viLayaattu piLLai
en thottilil ethanai mullai

He descibes their mischiefs as follows:
chinna arumbugaL seyyum kurumbugaL
solla solla indha uLLam inithidum
aLLi edukkayil thuLLi kudhithidum
mutham kodukkayil mookkai kadithidum

He goes on to talk about unity in diversity:
paesum mozhigaLil baedham namakkillai
vaazhum inangaLil jadhi madhamillai
allah mudhaRkoNdu yaesu buddhan varai
elloar madhangaLum engaL vazhithuNai
pala idathil piRandha nadhigaL***
oru kadalil vandhu saerum***
pala niRathil pootha malargaL***
oru maalai poal urumaaRum***

The second song is by Vaali from "Karpagam." It's a lullaby sung by a loving aunt who is a surrogate mother to her niece.

athai madi methaiyadi aadi viLayaadamma
aadum varai aadi vittu alli vizhi moodamma

This mother very clearly states that ordinary cradles and lullabies won't do for her very special daughter:
moondraam piRayil thottil katti***
mullai malligai methaiyittu***
thaenkuyil koottam paN paadum***
indha maan kutti kaettu kaN moodum***

Again the child is God concept is repeated here:
vaeroar deivathai poatravillai
vaeroar dheepathai yaetravillai
androar kovilai aakki vaithaen
adhil ambigaiyaai unnai
thookki vaithaen
From: Ramki (@ b251.bernhard.wmich.edu) on: Wed Oct 22 21:18:55 EDT 1997

Thoongi kondirkkum indha kuzhandhaiyai(thread:))
konjam ezhuppuvomo(Sathya engae kaanama poittenga?)

Naan kuripida pogum paadal samebathiya paadal.
Walter vetrivel padathil Raja isaiyil Sunandha paadiya Vaali ezhudhiya miga miga azhaagana paadal.
Indha paatai paadum thaikku(Sukanya)kan parvai kidaiyadhu. Visham kalandha paalai pillaikku
ootrivittu adhu theriyamaal avanin edhirkaalathai
patri kanavu kaanum paadal.Idhil sila varigal migavum aboorvamaanavai adhai *** kuriyittirirkkiren

Mannava mannava mannadhi mannanallava
nee punnagai sindhidum singaara kannallava
mazhalaigal yaavum thaeno
maragadha veenai dhano
madi mele aadum poondhero
annai manam dhan paadum aararo

mannava

naaldhorum kaaval nindru
nammai kakkum thandhai undu
indha vazhvu enbadhu andha
deivam thandhadhu
raajathi raajan pole
pala desam neeyum vendru
pugazh paadu kanmani
vetrivelin pillai nee
*then madhurai cheemaiyellam
arasaalum unnaikandu
thirutholil maalai soodum
maharaani yaaro ingu*
oli vidum edhirkaalam onru
uruvaagum naalai ingu
panivai malarae madi mel urangu

mannava

**Meenakshi kovil kondu
oli veesum deepam ondru
endhan veedu vandhadho
pillai vadivai vandhadho
kaamakshi tholil nindru
mozhi pesum killaiondru
endhan vaasal vandhadho
pillai vadivai ninradho

**** unnai oru eeyum moidhal
thudikkadha thaiyin sittham
vizhiyoram neerai kandal
kodhikkadha annai ratham
unakkoru kurai nerndhidaadhu
valerppene tholin meedhu
panivai maganae madi mel urangu*****

mannava mannava
From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ ww-tj64.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Oct 26 13:34:20 EST 1997

KaNNadasan padal illadha PiLLai padal endral...
ennaku N-inaivil irukkum sila N-alla paadalgaL

"Siriththu Vaazha vENdum pirar sirikka vazhdhidathe" in Ulagam Sutrum Vaaliban.

Then
"N-alla N-alla pillagaLai Nambi indha N-adE irukkudhu Thambi" in PaNam padaiththavan.

Then
"N-alla perai vanga vEndum piLLaingaLe
N-am N-aadu ennum thottathilE N-aaLai malarum mullaigaLE..." in N-am N-aadu.

Then
"ThEnE then paaNdi MeenE .... " in Udhaya Geetham.

"ThangangaLe N-aLaiththalaivargaLe N-am dhEsam kappavar N-eengaL, singagaLe...
Vazhum ThaivangaL.e
Nam thatha Gandhi, Maama Neru thediya selvangaL
Kalvi saalai thathanvan ezhaithalaivanai thinamum eNNungaL." in
Ennai Pol oruvan ( I think this was written by Kannadhasan...)

"anbu malargaLe N-ambi irungaLe
N-aaLai N-amadhE.... " from N-aaLai N-amadhE.

"Unnai Arindhal , N-ee unnai arindhal ulagathil poradalam. Uyarndhalum thazhthalum thalai vaNangamal N-ee vazhalam." Even MGR sung this song for Savithri in Vettaikkaran, I treat this song as piLLai paadal.

N-Eram kidaikum poodhu meeNum N-inaivil uLLa padalgaLai solgirEn.

N-andriyudan
Prakash
From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ ww-tj64.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Oct 26 13:35:26 EST 1997

KaNNadasan padal illadha PiLLai padal endral...
ennaku N-inaivil irukkum sila N-alla paadalgaL

"Siriththu Vaazha vENdum pirar sirikka vazhdhidathe" in Ulagam Sutrum Vaaliban.

Then
"N-alla N-alla pillagaLai Nambi indha N-adE irukkudhu Thambi" in PaNam padaiththavan.

Then
"N-alla perai vanga vEndum piLLaingaLe
N-am N-aadu ennum thottathilE N-aaLai malarum mullaigaLE..." in N-am N-aadu.

Then
"ThEnE then paaNdi MeenE .... " in Udhaya Geetham.

"ThangangaLe N-aLaiththalaivargaLe N-am dhEsam kappavar N-eengaL, singagaLe...
Vazhum ThaivangaL.e
Nam thatha Gandhi, Maama Neru thediya selvangaL
Kalvi saalai thathanvan ezhaithalaivanai thinamum eNNungaL." in
Ennai Pol oruvan ( I think this was written by Kannadhasan...)

"anbu malargaLe N-ambi irungaLe
N-aaLai N-amadhE.... " from N-aaLai N-amadhE.

"Unnai Arindhal , N-ee unnai arindhal ulagathil poradalam. Uyarndhalum thazhthalum thalai vaNangamal N-ee vazhalam." Even MGR sung this song for Savithri in Vettaikkaran, I treat this song as piLLai paadal.

N-Eram kidaikum poodhu meeNum N-inaivil uLLa padalgaLai solgirEn.

N-andriyudan
Prakash
From: Ramki (@ b203.bernhard.wmich.edu) on: Mon Oct 27 16:55:38 EST 1997

'khoshish'70 thodakkathil vandha oru vidhyasama
manasai negizhavaikkum koodiya hindi padam.Idhu
tamilil 'uyarndhavargal'endru kamal,sujatha,thengai sriinivasanai vaithu velivandhadhu.

Kaadhu keladha ,vai pesa mudiyaadha
thambadhiyar.avargalin nanbaro kan parvai illadhavar. indha thambadhiyanarin kuraiedhumilladha kuzhandhai. indha situationkku
Kannadhasankku paadal ezhudhavendumendraal avarukku alwa kidaithadhu polallava?ezhudhugiraar
(indha paadalai parvaiilladha thengai srinivasanum
kamal sujathavin maganum paadugirargal)

mudhalil thengai koorugirar

iraivan irandu bommaigal
seidhan than vizhaiyada
avai irandum serndoru
bommaiyai seidhanar than vizhaiyada

(idhaivida nachendru ezhudha mudiyuma?)

un vai mozhi mullai
idhil thai mozhi illai

(thiruppi thiruppi paratta enakkae bore adikkudhu)

veyyil enne minnal enne
venmai enne manjal enne
kaanadha kangalrendil
ellamum ondrada
(thengai than nilamaiyai vivarikkirar)

serum kaatrum oomai kaatru
devan pattum oomai pattu
avan thaane nammai seidhan
bedhangal aenada
(ellar manangalilum ezhum nyayama sandeham)

adharkku andha kuzhandhaiyin badhil

ungalukkaaga naan aen solven
ungalukkaga naan aen ketpen
deivangal kallai ponaal
poosari illaiya
thandhai pechu thaikku puriyum
thaatha nenjil ulagam theriyum
thandhai pechu thaikku puriyum(matravargalukku puriyavitaal enne)
thatha nenjil ulagam theriyum(parvai illavittal enne)
ullathil nallor dhaane
uyarndhavar illaiya

en vai mozhi mullai
idhil thai mozhi illai

iraivan irandu bommaigal seidhan..

andha sinnanjiru kuzhandhaiyin badhilai kettu
magizndha thatha magizhchiyudan koorugiraar

malarum podhe vaasam theriyudhu
valarum podhe paasam puriyudhu
thai thandhai seidha poojai
veenagavillai
kandhan andru mandhiram sonnan
kannan andhru geetham sonnan
magan sonne vedham kettu magizhndhadhu ullamae

iraivan irandu bommaigal

(singers KJY,VJ-Shankar Ganesh)
From: Ramkiyin NanBan (@ mpngate3.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Wed Oct 29 14:48:01 EST 1997

Ramki:

Enna Madras-la irundhu ella audio tapes-um
aLLikittu vandhuttiya? Ennapa ella pattukum
Kalakala ezhudhara.
From: Amar (@ worf.qntm.com) on: Wed Oct 29 15:55:10 EST 1997

Here is a "pillai" song( literally! ) where the hero( Sivaji ) consoles a small boy( Kamal ) who hasn't seen his father( Gemini ). Maybe it is obvious by now what that Movie is:
"Paarthaal Pasi Theerum"
MD: V-R Singer: TMS Lyrics: Kannadasn

Pillaikku Thanthai Oruvan, Numm
Ellorukkum Thanthai Iraivan;
Pillaikku Thanthai Oruvan, Numm
Ellorukkum Thanthai Iraivan;
Nee Oruvanai Nambhi Vanthaaya, Illai
Iraivanai Nambhi Vanthaaya?
Nee Oruvanai Nambhi Vanthaaya, Illai
Iraivanai Nambhi Vanthaaya?

Pillaikku...

Thaayaarai Thanthai Maranthaalum,
Thanthai Yaarenru Ariyaathabothum, Yaarenu Ariyaathabothum,
Vaayaara Thuthipporkku Varuvaan, Numm
Ellorukkum Thanthai Iraivan, Iraivan!

Pillaikku....

Ullorkku Selvangal Koadgi, Athu
Illarkku Ullangal Koadhi, Illarkku Ullangal Koadhi
Illatha Idamthedi Varuvaan, Numm
Ellorukkum Thanthai Iraivan, Iraivan!

Pillaikku....

2. This one is a pathos song from a small girl who lives with her mother separated from the father with the other twin-sister and feels lonely and longs for the reunion of the family. A beautiful song from the movie "Kuzhanthaiyum Deivamum" and very well acted by the then wonder-kid "Kutty Padmini" and sung by none-other-than M.S.Rajeswari
MD: MSV - Lyrics: Vaali(?)

Kozhi Oru Koottiley, Seval Oru Koottiley
Kozhikkunju Rendum Ippo Anbillaatha Kaattiley!

Pasuvaithedi Kanrukkutty Paalkudikka Oaduthu,
Pasuvaithedi Kanrukkutty Paalkudikka Oaduthu,
Paravaikooda Iraiyeduthu Pillaikkellaam Oottuthu
Thaatha Theriyuma, Paartha Puriyumaa?
Thanithaniya Pirinthirukka Engalaaley Mudiyuma, Engalaaley Mudiyuma?

Kozhi Oru...

Aduthaveettu Pappa Ippo Amma Appa Madiyiley,
Aduthaveettu Pappa Ippo Amma Appa Madiyiley,
Athirshtham Ellaam Pennukkuthaan Seirthuppaarkka Mudiyaley,
Amma Marakkaley, Appa Ninaikkaley,
Anugumingum Seirthuvaikka Engalukkum Vayasillai;
Ungalukkum Manasillai!

Kozhi Oru...

3. Thaai Thanthai Illatha Annan-Thangai Paadal. Yaarumilla Anaathaiyaaga kavalippadum Thangaikku Annan Aaruthal Sollippaadum( Matroru ) Paadal from
"Enga Pappa" - MD: TKR - Singer: TMS, MSRajeswari - Lyrics: Kannadasan(?)

Orumarathil Kudiyirukkum Paravai Irandu,
Onru Annai Thanthathu, Onru Kaaval Kondathu,
Onru Kunnmalarnthathu, Kunn Malarnthathu!

Orumarathil...

Irandu Kangal Seirnthu Kaanum Kaatchiyum Onru,
Irandu Kangal Seirnthu Kaanum Kaatchiyum Onru,
Irandu Nenjil Kadavul Sonna Saatchiyum Onru,
Arughil Vaithu Thoongacheyyum Thaaiyillaathathu,
Arughil Vaithu Thoongacheyyum Thaaiyillaathathu,
Aasai Thunbham Veliyil Cholla Vaayillaathathu, Vaayillaathathu!

Orumarathil...

Naathiyillai Enru Unnai Oor Sollalaamaa, Ah ah,
Naathiyillai Enru Unnai Oor Sollalaamaa, Ingu
Naanirunthum Unakku Anthappeir Varalaamaa,
Jaathippoovai Paathippoovaa Pirikkakkoodumo,
Annan Thangai Uravaikkaakkum Perumaiyaaguma, Perumaiyaaguma?

Orumarathil....
From: Ramki (@ csi14.cs.wmich.edu) on: Wed Oct 29 17:05:06 EST 1997

Amar thanks for all the lyrics but few corrections in pillaikku thandhai oruvan song

thayaarai thandhai marandhaalum
thandhai thaanendru solladha podhum
sollamal idam thedi varvaan
nam ellorkkum thandhai iraivan

ullorkku selvangal sondham
adhu illarkku ullangal sondham
illadha idam thedi varuvaan
nam ellorkkum thandhai iraivan

pillaikku thandhai oruvan
From: Ramki (@ csi14.cs.wmich.edu) on: Wed Oct 29 17:06:23 EST 1997

Ramkiyin nanba parattukku nandri:))nanba ungal azhagaana peiyar ennavo??
From: RAmki (@ csi14.cs.wmich.edu) on: Wed Oct 29 17:07:46 EST 1997

a correction to the lyrics in pillaikku

the line in the first stanza should read as

aenendru ketkamal varuvaan

instead of sollamal idam thedi varuvaan
From: Bhaskar (@ dutyfree.proxy.lucent.com) on: Fri Oct 31 00:43:22 EST 1997

Thambi Ramki:

I am missing this topic very much, am trying to read all from the beginning but unable to find time. Ungal inital varnanai of Mavudhu kangal and mainavin mozhi is really very good observation.
I am taking a printout of this topic and will try to read at home :)
From: Ramki (@ pm300-01.dialip.mich.net) on: Fri Oct 31 01:47:55 EST 1997

Bhaskar take ur time and later try to make some contributions too
From: Amar (@ worf.qntm.com) on: Fri Oct 31 11:31:00 EST 1997

Here is a beautiful song from a recent movie, "Sethupathy I.P.S" a Vijayakanth-Meena starrer( AVM production ), Music: IR, Lyrics: Vaali, Singer: Chitr & Chorus.

The orchestration for this song was great!

Situation: Meena is the wife of the Poilce Commisioner, Sethupathy IPS( Vijaykanth ) and she teaches at an Orphanage School. She sings this song to the children. It has beautiful wordings and hence, I believe can be added to the "Inspirational Songs" thread too. Since, it talks about the children, I thought of putting it here.

Mazhalai Enrum Maaraatha Kiligal
Kavalai Enrum Kaanaatha Kuyilgal,
Kannil Nooruvagai Kanaakkal,
Nitham Yenthivarum Nilaakkal,
Naamelaam Oar Inam, Entha Naalilum Oar Kulam,
Oru Nool Konda Poocharam( what a beautiful line!!! )
Kattungal Kattungal Vetrimaalaigal;
Kottungal Kottungal Kottu Meilangal;
Kattungal Kattungal Vetrimaalaigal;
Kottungal Kottungal Kottu Meilangal;

Mazhalai....

Naamthaaney Sirukattukkal Illa Vaanambaadi, Pala Gaanam Paadi,
Naadengum Anaikkattukkulley Nilla Maaya Gangai, Aagaaya Gangai,
Mannum Sevvaanamum( Chorus: Sevvaanamey ) Engal Poonthottamaagum;
Engum Nillaamaley( Chorus: Nillaamaley ) Engal Theirottam Poagum;

Kattungal...

Mazhalai...

Koodaathu Pala Jaathi Satthangaley, Neeyum Onru, Naanum Onru;
Koodungal Ilavandu Sonthangaley, Ingum Engum Inbamundu;
Dharka Devaalayam( Chorus: Devaalayam ) Yellaam Naam Poatrum Koyil,
Geethai Vedaanthamum( Chorus: Vedaanthamum ) Yellaam Naam Paadum Paadal,

Kattungal...

Mazhalai...
From: Ramkiyin NanBan (@ mpngate4.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Wed Nov 5 11:37:07 EST 1997

Ramki... N-aNbanin Peyarai KaNNdu pidipadhu sulabam... Mundhaiya Posting-kkugu mun uLLa
Posting-ai parkkavum.. That is before your posting on UyarthavargaL
From: Ramki (@ cs512.cs.wmich.edu) on: Thu Nov 6 10:34:15 EST 1997

Is that u Prakash??:))

One more not so popular pillai song. Indha paadal
Vettaikkaran padathil idampetradhu(inimai migundha paadal irundhum aeno avvalavaaga pesa padavillai)

Kaalil seyalizhandha than maganai patri paadugiraar MGR(Music KVMAhadevan-singer-TMS)

velli nila mutrathile
vilakkinile vilakkinile
ullam enum thaamaraiyil
thunai irukka kondu vandhen
kondu vandhen hoi

velli nila mutrathile

veledukkum marabile
veeram therindha mannile
paal kudikka vandhavanae
nadaiayai kattu
varum pagaivargalai
edhirthu nirkkum padaiyai kattu

velli

mukkaniyin saareduthu
muthamizhin theneduthu
muppalile kalandhu
eppodhum suvaithiruppai

naangu pergal potravum
naadu unnai vazhthavum
maanathodu vazhvadhu dhan
suyamaridhai
nalla manam udaiyor
kanbadhu dhan thani mariyadhai

velli nila mutrathil
From: Amar (@ worf.qntm.com) on: Thu Nov 6 11:56:31 EST 1997

Hi Ramki:

That was a beautiful song and what makes you think that it was no "so popular". I thought the song received due popularity for the main fact that MGR sings about his Son and both he and Shakeela(who played his son) were dressed up the same way with Cowboy hats etc. made it very popular.( I guess the definition of popularity may be different, I don't know! ).
I do see some mistakes in your song, can I correct them? Also, MGR does not sing to a crippled kid. He sings to his son who just started walking.

Vellinila Mutrathiley
Vilakkeriya, Vilakkeriya,
Ullamennum Thaamaraiyil Unai Eduthu Konduvanthein, konduvanthein, Hoi!

Vellinila...

Veiledukkum Marabhiley, Veeram Therintha Manniley
Paalkudikka Vanthavaney Nadaiyai Kaattu,
Varum Pagaivargalai Venruvidum Padaiyai Kaattu!

Vellinila...
From: RAmki (@ csi18.cs.wmich.edu) on: Thu Nov 6 17:48:01 EST 1997

Amar thanks for all the corrections .Btw are u sure that the kid is not crippled???well i have a very vague memory abt this.
From: Ramki (@ csi14.cs.wmich.edu) on: Fri Nov 7 16:10:05 EST 1997

Indru ezhudhupogum paadal migavum pazhaiya
pazhaiaya pazhaiya paadal:))"kanavanae kan kanada deivam"padathil idampetra oru azhagaana inimaiyaaana paadal.Paadiyavar PSuseela(indha pattirkky lyircs ezhudhiyavar yarendru theriyavittalum indha alavukku oru karuthulle paadalai thandhadharkku avarukku oru sabash)

KkD padathin kadhai ellorkkum therindhirkku. ARasakumariyaana Anjalidevi thirumanathirkku pin
aezhaigividuvar.Adhanaal than kuzhandhaiyin thalattil aekkangalodu paaduvar

anbil malarndhana roja
kan vazharai en raja
anbil malarndhana roja
kan vazharai en raja

en vazhvinil oli veesavae
vandhavanae kan valarai

anbil malarndhana roja
kan valarai en raja

thendral malar maalai sooduven
vandu thenai vaiyil ootruven
vennilla kattiye
paalannam ootiye
konjidum naal vandhidume

anbil

thangathotillil thaalattiye
sugumaranae seeratiye
maangalin kootamae
vedikkai kattumae
mannan undhan nattilae

anbil malarndhana roja
From: shanthi (@ ) on: Mon Sep 25 04:22:58 EDT 2000

hi I am looking for bharathyar kavithaigal. if you know where i can find it in the web will u please let me know. thanks

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