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What Makes a MD successfull Talen or Oppurtunity or Luck or Publicity?

Topic started by UV (@ 134.113.203.137) on Thu Dec 28 10:05:18 EST 2000.
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I really want to find some information regarding this. What makes a MD hit or popular or what makes him field out. Does talent alone is enough or does he need to express his music well and also use and exploit opportunity and good PR
So pour in your suggestion,ideas
For example I personally believe Karthik Raja is highly talented with sound knowledge but he hadnt got any breaks why?

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• From: UV (@ 134.113.203.137) on: Thu Dec 28 10:19:22 EST 2000
  
  I can give you a list for that matter
  VS Narasimhan
  Karthik Raja
  Bala Bharathy
  Vidya Sagar
  (inspite of giving lot of hits and alltime best like 'Malare')
  
  
• From: Velai_Vetti_nothing (@ 64.208.81.180) on: Thu Dec 28 13:17:39 EST 2000
  
  VS Narasimhan -- never talks , totally a different breed of musician.
  
  Bala Bharathy - Never tried hard to get a break.
  
  Vidya Sagar - Simply No Luck!.
  
  Karthik Raja - He is the best of lot. But
  Talks more than required. Mr.Big Mouth of the industry, secondly,he is now branded as a Unlucky charm to the movie, most of his movies failed due to some reason.
  
  
• From: rags (@ 204.114.255.2) on: Thu Dec 28 15:08:17 EST 2000
  
  defy...luck/time is the key factor for a MDs growth....
  
  defy not talent...clear cut example is our copy cats DEVA, SA RajKumar, Sirpi...
  
  when u take talent as an criteria...then these people shud stand in antartica...
  
  
  
• From: madhav (@ 193.113.185.132) on: Thu Dec 28 15:27:03 EST 2000
  
  UV I don't think that it takes luck. If you look at Karthik Raja, although he's from a great family, his music just doesn't sell, If you look at Yuvan, his music sells. This tells me that Yuvan has more talent than Karthik.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.164.199) on: Thu Dec 28 16:14:19 EST 2000
  
  I think what is more important apart from individuval talent is how well they've been supported. In rahman's case, he was flooded with chance after chance from top cats, who went against Raja for one or other reason. Let me quote an example for this. Puthiya Mugam by Suresh Menon was told to be the first movie of Rahman (Of Course, movie releasewise Roja overtook). But everybody here will agree with me that Puthiya Mugam did not make the same kind of impact as Roja made. The implied truth is In general, big directors create an expectation wave in the public. That means, even if the movie is only 50% good, it is going to sell like a hell among the Public. Just a decent job by the MD fetches a big name and fame. For Rahman, it was Mani ratnam, balachandar, Rajini, shankar, KSRavi etc..etc.. kept giving chance after chance. To grow up ARR got all kind of helps. I would attribute only 50% success to his talent and other 50% to the top cats. Remember, Kadri Gopalnath did a great job in Duet for which Rahman's music was much praised. Definitely, it was not the same way other MD's were promoted. If KR and YSR were put up in a similar situation, I guess, they might have flared up equally or better. I don't want to talk about people such as Deva, SAR etc...etc..They can only be rated below 25%.
  
  
• From: Velai_Vetti_nothing (@ 64.208.81.180) on: Thu Dec 28 16:22:56 EST 2000
  
  
  , Kadri Gopalnath did a great job in Duet for which Rahman's music was much praised.
  
  yes this reminds of ignoring churasiya in nothing but wind. There was nothing mentioned about this great artist.
  
  
  
• From: Comments (@ 172.134.65.115) on: Thu Dec 28 16:43:40 EST 2000
  
  Big directors and actors definitely help in the growth of a Music Director. Once he gets a break, it is upto the MD to utilize it and that is going to depend on his talent.
  
  In the case of ARR, working with MR in Roja was a big break. Shankar wasn't a big director when he made Gentleman. ARR's music played a big role in making Gentleman and Kadhalan big hits. Rajini, KSRavi all went to ARR after he had established himself and had very little to do with his growth.
  
  What about guys like Maragathamani, Hamsalekha, Chandrabose who were supported by KB, Rajini and others at different times? I doubt Karthk Raja and Yuvan would have gotten so many chances if they hadn't been IR's children.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.161.99) on: Thu Dec 28 17:22:02 EST 2000
  
  Comments:
  
  I did say Rahman has 50% worthy stuff. Does anybody remember the songs and BGM of Vandicholai Sinrasu (except 1 song), Uzhavan, Monalisa,Mr. Romeo, Jodi, Pavithra, Love Birds (1 song),Puthiya Mannargal,Ratchagan etc. See the movies peformed by ARR for top cats/big banners. This is a clear proof.
  
  Alaipayudhe - Mani
  Bombay - Mani
  Duet = KB
  En Swasa Kaatrae
  Gentleman -Shankar
  Indian-Shankar, kamal
  Indra- Suhasini (Mani)
  Iruvar-Mani
  Jeans-Shankar
  Kaadhal Desam-- (don't remember)
  Kaadhalan-Shankar
  Kaadhalar Dinam-
  Kandukonden Kandukonden- Rajeev Menon
  Karuthamma-Barathi Raja
  Kizhakku Seemayilae-Barathi Raja
  May Madham-
  Minsara Kanavu-AVM group
  Mudhalvan-Shankar
  Muthu-KSR, Rajini
  Padayappa-kSR, Rajini
  Puthiya Mugam-Suresh Menon..
  Rhythm-
  Roja-Mani
  Sangamam
  Tajmahal-Barathi Raja
  Tenali-KSR
  Thiruda Thiruda-Mani
  
  In some sense, it is a bit unfortunate for KR and YSR to be IR's sons. When they entered TFM people murmured that IR is bringing them into. Don't they have rights to perform music or what? Being IR's son they got only little benefits as whomever went against IR did not think of giving a chance to these growing talents. But occasionally they have proved themselves (such as Ullasam, poovellam Kettu Paar, Aravindan etc..etc, If ARR did the same thing they might have been super hits). Moreover, the expectations from them are too high(People want a non-IR-type, non-ARR-type music from them). ARR has given some good music. People lost the sense and just being carried away by and even a little piece of *** from him is being talked great. With so much of supportive shoulders there is nothing to feel great about it.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.161.99) on: Thu Dec 28 17:22:09 EST 2000
  
  Comments:
  
  I did say Rahman has 50% worthy stuff. Does anybody remember the songs and BGM of Vandicholai Sinrasu (except 1 song), Uzhavan, Monalisa,Mr. Romeo, Jodi, Pavithra, Love Birds (1 song),Puthiya Mannargal,Ratchagan etc. See the movies peformed by ARR for top cats/big banners. This is a clear proof.
  
  Alaipayudhe - Mani
  Bombay - Mani
  Duet = KB
  En Swasa Kaatrae
  Gentleman -Shankar
  Indian-Shankar, kamal
  Indra- Suhasini (Mani)
  Iruvar-Mani
  Jeans-Shankar
  Kaadhal Desam-- (don't remember)
  Kaadhalan-Shankar
  Kaadhalar Dinam-
  Kandukonden Kandukonden- Rajeev Menon
  Karuthamma-Barathi Raja
  Kizhakku Seemayilae-Barathi Raja
  May Madham-
  Minsara Kanavu-AVM group
  Mudhalvan-Shankar
  Muthu-KSR, Rajini
  Padayappa-kSR, Rajini
  Puthiya Mugam-Suresh Menon..
  Rhythm-
  Roja-Mani
  Sangamam
  Tajmahal-Barathi Raja
  Tenali-KSR
  Thiruda Thiruda-Mani
  
  In some sense, it is a bit unfortunate for KR and YSR to be IR's sons. When they entered TFM people murmured that IR is bringing them into. Don't they have rights to perform music or what? Being IR's son they got only little benefits as whomever went against IR did not think of giving a chance to these growing talents. But occasionally they have proved themselves (such as Ullasam, poovellam Kettu Paar, Aravindan etc..etc, If ARR did the same thing they might have been super hits). Moreover, the expectations from them are too high(People want a non-IR-type, non-ARR-type music from them). ARR has given some good music. People lost the sense and just being carried away by and even a little piece of *** from him is being talked great. With so much of supportive shoulders there is nothing to feel great about it.
  
  
• From: Velai_Vetti_nothing (@ 64.208.81.180) on: Thu Dec 28 17:32:24 EST 2000
  
  Fliflo:
  70% of directors in your list have used IR.
  Apart from the 70% of yours, there are more directors like Balu mahendra, mahendran, Bharathi Raja, K.B, K.Bagayaraj etc..
  are you ready to attribute IR's success to them , give us a break,
  
  "comments" :shanker was no one when he gave gentle man. Very much true.
  
  Having a good director is a platform, arr capitalized it. A good director gets the best out from his artist.
  
  IR had the same oppurtunity, even msv for that matter. Msv apart from the directors he managed mgr, sivaji "cold wars" very well.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.162.250) on: Thu Dec 28 18:00:30 EST 2000
  
  VVN,
  
  Yes, IR had them all as a part of his entire episode of music life. He had so many others who were unknown and later became popular. If you see ARR, he sticks only to the popular ones to safegaurd himself.
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Thu Dec 28 18:07:01 EST 2000
  
  Velai_Vetti_nothing
  Try to understand that IR's music was a hit not only for big banners. The success of the genius need not be attributed to any one.
  
  But ARR has not faired well with small banners.
  In fact he was more than a flop for movies like Iruvar, Padayappa, Thennali etc.
  
  
• From: Velai_Vetti_nothing (@ 64.208.81.180) on: Thu Dec 28 18:15:56 EST 2000
  
  flifo,
  do you mean to say working with Quality directors and producers is not right ?
  
  Many producers cannot afford arr, he takes time, but when it comes to big time directors, they often work for big production companies, where money (and time) is not a problem,
  Arr prefers them,
  Your argument is like saying Tom cruise is smart and handsome because he is wearing only Tommy brand stuff,
  Hey Tommy it is the best - (just for argument sake, some might like Polo:)
  1. Any one will go for best and vice versa Tommy also wants tom Cruise to wear their merchandize....since tom cruise is (or was) top of the line cast..
  It is not Arr fault.., he is being mobbed by big directors (all over india), this is a great achivement, I am not supporting Arr, we need to be considerate about his achivement.
  
  I wish Ir sticks to some big time directors.
  
  
• From: Velai_Vetti_nothing (@ 64.208.81.180) on: Thu Dec 28 18:19:55 EST 2000
  
  Iruvar -- "a small banner movie" , IMO, it the best mani rathanam movie ever made.
  
  and Padayappa -- Super star padam pa...
  
  btw: I did not know songs failed badly.
  
  thanks for the info,
  
  is narumugae a bad song,
  
  
  I should have understood it when friends tops the list here.
  
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Thu Dec 28 18:53:05 EST 2000
  
  I did not mean to say that Iruvar was as small banner movie, but inspite being a MR movie the music was a flop.
  
  
• From: Velai_Vetti_nothing (@ 64.208.81.180) on: Thu Dec 28 19:06:27 EST 2000
  
  venki but the songs did not fail, only movie failed. Can I blame Ir for mooga mul
  mooga mul failed badly, but songs were good, same applies to iruvar too.
  
  Any way let us not fight on arr....he has bad side and good side..
  
  good day.
  
  

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