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"Vizhiye Kathai Ezhudhi" From Urimaik Kural

Topic started by Bhoori (@ 64.171.13.98) on Tue Aug 10 11:02:22 EDT 2004.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I am listening to this song as I type. The first few lines go

Vizhiye Kathai Ezhudhu
Kanneeril Ezhudhadhe
Manjal Vanam Thendral Kaatru
Unakkagave Naan Vaazhgiren

Is there any connection between the first two lines and the last two? I can as well write

Vizhiye Kathai Ezhudhu
Kanneeril Ezhudadhe
Vengaya Sambar Thakkali Chatni
Masala Dosai Sappitten

And I have heard that MGR & Kannadasan had a longstanding tiff, but Sridhar surreptiously got Kannadasan to write the lyrics - which impressed MGR so much that the tiff came to an end. I can't figure out why MGR should get impressed with such lousy lyrics.

Can someone see some coherence or meaning into this? Please explain, if you can. I would love to be proven wrong!

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Responses:

• From: hehehewalrus (@ 130.127.105.183) on: Tue Aug 10 11:33:30 EDT 2004
  
  Peyar thaan Bhoori, aana Masala Dosai-ku loyalty maathareengale ;)
  
  
• From: e (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Tue Aug 10 14:04:00 EDT 2004
  
  Bhoori,
  'Manjal Vanam Thendral Kaatru ' illianga...
  
  'manjaL vAnam, thendral sAtchi, unakkAgavE nAn vAzhgiREn'
  
  Now, this is quite poetic, is it not?
  
  
• From: sats (@ 139.177.224.128) on: Tue Aug 10 14:04:07 EDT 2004
  
  Bhoori,
  
  Man you are so funny !!! :-) May be tamil pundits can clarify
  
  
• From: e (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Tue Aug 10 14:09:45 EDT 2004
  
  a loose translation:
  
  nay, don't shed tears with those beautiful eyes...they're meant to create epics...why cry when I vow to live for you alone...look, the dusky horizon and breeze are witnesses to my pledge...
  
  
• From: e (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Tue Aug 10 14:16:22 EDT 2004
  
  KJY probably `sAtchi' yai kozha kozhannu pAdinarO? Or was it the poor recording? `kAtRu'nnu Bhoorikku kEttirukku....
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 210.210.93.99) on: Wed Aug 11 00:41:07 EDT 2004
  
  even I too was thinking it was "Thendral kaatru" first. but the way PS rendering cleared the doubt. and it is "saatchi".
  
  
• From: Bhoori (@ 209.157.48.1) on: Wed Aug 11 14:37:33 EDT 2004
  
  Ah. Satchi is definitely better than kaatru and makes more sense. (e, epic ellam enge thedi pidiccheenga indha varigalile?)
  
  However, the first two lines are really good lyrics - asking the eyes not to use tears for writing. You can read lot of meaning into those lines. Is Kannadasan saying don't use tears as you would use ink? Is he saying don't use tears so that the story won't be a tragic one?
  
  The next two lines feel like a filler - words written to fill a tune. There is not even "edugai monai" to make it sound better. And they have no real connection with the first two lines. There should have been some mention of writing.
  
  
• From: Bhoori (@ 209.157.48.1) on: Wed Aug 11 14:37:56 EDT 2004
  
  Ah. Satchi is definitely better than kaatru and makes more sense. (e, epic ellam enge thedi pidiccheenga indha varigalile?)
  
  However, the first two lines are really good lyrics - asking the eyes not to use tears for writing. You can read lot of meaning into those lines. Is Kannadasan saying don't use tears as you would use ink? Is he saying don't use tears so that the story won't be a tragic one?
  
  The next two lines feel like a filler - words written to fill a tune. There is not even "edugai monai" to make it sound better. And they have no real connection with the first two lines. There should have been some mention of writing.
  
  
• From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Wed Aug 11 15:26:00 EDT 2004
  
  Read it like this:
  
  " manjal vaanam, thenRal saatchiyaai
  unakkaagavE naan vaazhgiren;
  so,
  vizhiyE kanneeril yezhudhaamal
  kadhai yezhudhu"
  Bhoori, you are amazing!
  ThiruviLaiyaadal nagesh thaan gnaabakam varudhu!
  "paattezhudhi pEr vaangum pulavarkaL irukkiraarkaL
  kuRRam kaNdu pidiththE pEr vaangum pulavarkaLum irukkiraarkal;
  idhil neer.... yendha vagaiyai chErndhavar yenRu neerE therindhu koLLum
  yenakku parisu vENdaam
  mudindhaal idhai mannaridaththil solli vidungaL
  Naan varugirEn"!!!!!!!
  
  
• From: e (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Wed Aug 11 16:26:32 EDT 2004
  
  Bhoori, `kadhai'kku uyarvu naviRchi aNi dhAn epic:-)
  
  
• From: Bhoori (@ 209.157.48.1) on: Thu Aug 12 01:40:38 EDT 2004
  
  SK, Ennai romba pugazhadheenga!
  
  Irundhalum neenga konjam sappaikkattu kattareenga. In the song, the first exhortation is to write a story; then there is the corollary, not to write it with tears. If you want to treat the third and fourth lines as the cause for the first two lines, you could say that
  Manjal vanam, thenral katru satchiyaga unakkagave naan vazhgiren. adhanal vizhiye kathai ezhudhu
  varaikkum varalam. Indha karanatthala ezhudappadum kathai edhukkaganga kanneeral ezhudhappadum? Lathavoda duet padaradhu Nambiara MGRa? Thanakka MGR vazaharatthukku edhukkaga Latha azhap poranga? Oru velai MGRai makeup illama patthiruppangalo?
  
  
• From: Bhoori (@ 64.171.13.98) on: Thu Aug 12 03:55:31 EDT 2004
  
  SKye (This is Sathya Keerthi, right?) sollittaru - appuram Thiruvilaiyadal Nakkerar stylela solla vendiadhudhan - "Sollil Kutramillai. Irundhalum adhu mannikkap padalam. (Yeno therialaiye). Porulildhan Kutramirukkiradhu"
  
  
• From: Bhoori (@ 64.171.13.98) on: Thu Aug 12 04:03:09 EDT 2004
  
  Oru velai ippadi sariya varumo?
  
  Vizhiye Kathai Ezhudhu
  (Nammaip patthi kathai ezhudhu)
  Manjal Vanam Thendral Satchi
  Unakkagave Naan Vazhgiren
  (Naan Unakkagave Vazhvadhanle)
  Kanneeril Exhudhadhe
  
  Idhuvum sariya varaliye. Only one of the implied stmts in brackets will work out...
  
  
• From: e (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Thu Aug 12 10:23:44 EDT 2004
  
  Bhoori, I think the context might throw a light on why `kaNNeer' is referred...probably heroine would have cried prior to the song...padam pArtha yAravadhu irukkAngaLA ingE?
  
  
• From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Thu Aug 12 13:52:37 EDT 2004
  
  velaavaariyaa sonnaa thaan puriyumaa, bhoori?
  ippO, lathammaa azhudhuk kittu irukkaanga, yengE MGRu thannai kalyaanam pannikkaama irundhuduvaaronnu.
  sariyaa, idhu puriyudhaa?
  appo, MGR varraaru;
  sariyaa?
  lathaammaa azharadhi paakkaraaru;
  sariyaa?
  dho, innaaththukku nee ayudhukkinu irkennu keyvi keekuraaru;
  aachchaa!
  ayuvaadhemme, kaNnai thodchikko, dho indha maanam saachchiyaa, dho veesudhe, indha kaaththu, adhukku innaamo peru keedhemme.... aang, adhaan, andha thenRalu saachchiyaa naan onnai kannaalam kattikkuven, idhu saththiyam nraaru.
  ippaalerndhu, indha kaanula kanneer varakkoodadhu; kadhaithaan, yennaa kadhai, namma kaadhalu kadhaithaan varnumnu condisionaa sollidraaru.
  veLangudhaa!
  
  
• From: Bhoori (@ 209.157.48.1) on: Thu Aug 12 21:02:52 EDT 2004
  
  Velavariya sonnale sariya puriyaradhille, neenga surukkama sonna eppadi? ;-)
  
  Adhavadhu azhudukkinu irukkara Lathammavukku Vatthyaru aarudhal solraru appadinreenga. Order ippadiyakkum
  
  Manjal Vanam Thendral Satchi
  Unakkagave Naan Vazhgiren
  (Adhanale)
  Kanneril Ezhudhadhe
  (Nammalai patthi)
  Vizhiye Kathai Ezhudhu
  
  Saringa, en objectionai vapas vangikkaren. :-)
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Thu Aug 12 21:03:10 EDT 2004
  
  SK, kaNNulendhu eppadi kaadhal kadhai varum? VeLangala :-))
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Thu Aug 12 21:05:42 EDT 2004
  
  Bhoori, "vizhiye kadhai ezhudhu"na enna artham(not literally)? :-)
  
  
• From: Regunath (@ 144.199.176.70) on: Thu Aug 12 21:52:20 EDT 2004
  
  Looks like we may have to refer this thread to the great Kannadasan himself..... But I enjoyed reading the posts.... Some nice discussions, without the usual people-bashing.... :)
  
  
• From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Fri Aug 13 09:42:48 EDT 2004
  
  'kannu yeppadi kadhai yezhudhumaa?
  innaa keyvi keettutteenga!
  idho yedutthu vudren!
  
  "kaNNaaale pesi pesi kollaadhe"
  "paarvai onrE podhume
  pallayiram kadhai sollume"
  "kangaLum kavi paadume"
  "kannile iruppadhenna kanni ilamaane
  kaaviyamo oviyamo kanni ilamaane"
  and so on.
  In fact, "mella thiRandadhu kadhavu' movie is entirely on the kadhai yezhudhum kaNkaL, if you know what I mean!
  
  
• From: e (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Fri Aug 13 11:13:25 EDT 2004
  
  "paarvai onrE podhume
  pallayiram kadhai sollume"
  ...
  SK, oru chinna correction:
  "pArvai ondRE pOdhumE, pallAyiram sol vEndumA?
  pEsAdha kaNNum pesumE..."
  .............................................
  
  Some film scenes where `eyes' speak:
  1. Just prior to `nalandhAnA' song, question by Padmini, answer by Shivaji (Thillanamoganambal)
  2. an eye `SMS' in the temple from Rupa (oru thalai rAgam)
  
  
• From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Fri Aug 13 12:02:04 EDT 2004
  
  And, that famous song from 'Mannaadhi Mannan',
  " kaNgaL irandum yenRu ummaik kaNdu pEsumo"
  Add that "aNNalum nOkkinaan; avaLum nOkkinaaL" to the list!
  There is also a line in one song as "vizhi yezhudhum kaadhal kaditham".
  mmmmmm... those were the time when the lyricists were describing the features in a face. Now, they have gone "down"!!
  
  
• From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Fri Aug 13 16:35:52 EDT 2004
  
  "kaNNum kaNNum pEsiyadhum unnaalanRo"
  
  
• From: Surya (@ 204.60.84.2) on: Fri Aug 13 17:52:54 EDT 2004
  
  How could you miss
  
  kaNNum kaNNum koLLai adithaal kaadhal endru artham?
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 208.164.98.89) on: Fri Aug 13 22:45:47 EDT 2004
  
  KaNN is also a weapon:
  
  kaNNaale vettadhe summa kaNNaale vettadhe
  munnaale poyi pinnaale thirumbi kaNNaale vettaadhe
  
  It can also send messages:
  
  bampara kaNNaale kaadhal sangathi sonnaaLe
  
  

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