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ARR's plagiarism--tamilians are not dumb.

Topic started by R.BALAJI (@ 129.130.140.38) on Mon Jun 8 21:27:56 EDT 1998.
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Hi guys,
I am going to india soon.If you want to show your disapproval against ARR's plagiarism please do reply to this new thread which I will eventually print and give it to ARR personally so that he realises that people are not dumb and listen to his fancy copying of music from abroad and boast himself as a musician.
Even his latest much talked "Vande matram" has one songs which has direct lift of a tune from Madonna's latest "FROZEN".
I don't know how he thinks that he can get away with these fancy copying.I think it is time for us to show him that we are not dumb.

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Responses:

• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Mon Jun 8 22:01:21 EDT 1998
  
  What a wonderfully refreshing new topic!
  
  
• From: Satish (@ cs-line15.cs.umn.edu) on: Mon Jun 8 22:46:39 EDT 1998
  
  Sathiya Keerthi,
  
  Refreshing indeed!! ARR sure would love to hear which part of his songs "only you"/"musafir" from "Vande Mataram" (Nov '97) that Madonna copied in her "Frozen" from "Ray of Light" (Mar-Apr '98).
  
  
  
• From: Amma (@ 202.54.43.190) on: Mon Jun 8 23:17:44 EDT 1998
  
  Balaji ! may be you should get your chronology of events right. Ray of light wasn't out until a good 6-7 months after the release of Vande Mataram.
  So could it be alleged that Madonna was 'inspired' by ARR?
  
  
• From: Nithin (@ nc36.pr.mcs.net) on: Mon Jun 8 23:52:43 EDT 1998
  
  Balaji Sir,
  
  What you are scheming to do is a rather ambitious plot. I mean, tell me who is not going to back you?
  
  I am myself geared up in the 8th (sa, ri, ga, ma, pa, da, ni, sa, arr) and ready to go full throat, er.. throttle, to give Mr. Isai Thendral a piece of my mind. Come to think of it, I feel that piece will do him good, since I, for one, am able to these days compose music in my sleep, which is what ARRR should do, let the tunes come from there and not from some FM radio station or imported CD.
  
  I think nothing can be done with your plan. If ARR does not do what he does, we will not have ARR. Right now, Indian film music is open space like the great Sahara Desert.
  
  The least we can do is encourage this talented Mr. Xerox machine to copy from within his own memory or upgrade his memory by going back to school into some masters program for some time and return with some original thesis like what Ms. Anuradha Sriram produced.
  
  I am not recommending that ARR do a thesis at the Ph.D. level if you see the point I am making, because that will generate pop albums like what Ms. Sriram eventually threw up.
  
  BALAJI, I am just kidding, anything about ARR is really fun topic. Thank you.
  
  (Don't take Indian film music anymore seriously the way we all used to. Everything has a beginning, a peak and an slope.)
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Tue Jun 9 00:54:50 EDT 1998
  
  Looks like we haven't made a good start, have we? :-).
  
  
• From: HNJ (@ 206.217.81.241) on: Tue Jun 9 02:30:27 EDT 1998
  
  To the various "R. Balajis" of this forum:
  
  My friend, Aug '97 comes before March '98. Vande Mataram was released in August '97 and Ray of Light was relesed in March '98.
  
  I guess you are right, probably ARR does have a "Time Machine"(:!!!!!!!!!
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ host17.globalcenter.net) on: Tue Jun 9 04:22:04 EDT 1998
  
  Sathiya Keerthi, your middle name must be irony. I hear your chuckle.
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Jun 9 05:19:16 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya:
  
  Actually, if you carefully notice this forum,
  there is so much advise that we, the forum
  participants, give to MDs. A recent example
  is someone advising that IR should go on a
  road-trip to promote his music. Very soon you
  will see someone saying something like: ARR
  should wear Michael Jackson type dress/make-up
  and dance in stages. Of course, the typical
  advises are of a more serious type such as:
  For once Deva should give original tunes;
  IR should hereafter do only non-filmy albums;
  IR should modify his style to suit the recent
  changes etc. The disappointing(?) thing about
  all these advises is that do the advisers really
  make any effort to pass-on the advises to the
  respective advisees (MDs)? I haven't seen a single
  attempt till now, during this one year! ellaam
  veththu pEchchu. appadi irukkum vELaiyil, what stuck
  me to be most refreshing was that here is Mr.Balaji
  who is all fired-up to actually meet ARR and give
  him some advise. I really hope that he does that and
  reports the happenings here. Perhaps, after seeing that,
  others will also get fired-up to convey their
  advises to their respective advisees.
  
  BTW, is there even a single instance in TFM where
  fans wrote to an MD giving suggestions for change
  in style and the MD followed it?
  
  
  
• From: XXX (@ 194.78.104.93) on: Tue Jun 9 06:39:32 EDT 1998
  
  I think a person who started this thread needs some good knowledge of music...
  VM was released before a year then FROZEN.
  I think Madonna lifted the tune from VM....
  
  Pl. be sure before you talk some junk.. its not only for you but for all, since i have seen this type of errors in this site very offen. when ever people talk about ARR...
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Tue Jun 9 10:50:58 EDT 1998
  
  Hi ,
  
  VM is more than 1.5 years old. AR started to record this album long time ago. (I would say the songs in VM are 2 years old)
  
  When Musicians use the same electronic gadgets - they seem to get the same type of Idea - a co-incidence.
  (or it can be Maddona copied from AR!....)
  
  Releasing a album for 50th year indenpendence of his country AR would not simply lift the score..
  If you hear raja's score he plays around lot of Bach type of note progression.
  This does not means Raja has lifted from Bach ..
  he uses the same note progression or chord progression..
  
  I can also say - in Ullasam Karthick Raja lifted from Enigma - chanting type of sounds in Konjum Manjal song.
  Who spoke about it to him!,
  
  Dont accuse AR just because you know few western score...he has stuff...
  
  Also You cannot meet him India...
  (Unless you are his wife...)
  I tried my best to meet him I failed.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
  
• From: ganesh (@ 164.164.37.8) on: Tue Jun 9 11:01:41 EDT 1998
  
  It is really disappointing that people choose to write things with out actually checking if it is authentic or not. I hope they realise the damage they are doing by providing such incorrect information. I see this happening more in the case of ARR... I hope guys act a bit more responsibly
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ dsi.mids.com) on: Tue Jun 9 11:27:37 EDT 1998
  
  Just curious: Why is there so much pent-up bile when it comes to ARR? I mean, there are other MDs that also get "inspired"! I am a huge fan of IR's earlier work, but there are times I have listened to ARR songs and enjoyed them too(e.g. the much-maligned abaswaram porion of Sonia Sonia)... I guess that just makes me a dumb Tamilian!!
  
  
• From: Ramesh (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Tue Jun 9 13:44:57 EDT 1998
  
  Mr Balaji,
  
  best of luck on your endeavour. what do you want to prove to ARR . he is a copycat or the other fact (T's are D's). you should know one thing, by bringing the best out from other regions (adopting!), you should appreciate any good as long as they are good. I think ARR is only letting T's the otherside of the the world by doing so. If we can accept it (as long as they are melodious!) , you only prove the second point.
  That is T's are D's . ( kundu chattiyile kudhirai oattalama!)
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Tue Jun 9 14:30:33 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  If you say AR scores
  kundu chattiyile kudhirai
  I can call Raja's Symphony...release as the same....
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Ramesh (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Tue Jun 9 14:41:41 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Sri, and others
  
  Sorry, I missed the word 'not' (OOPS!,slip of my fingers) as I was saying ' If we canNOT accept this ...') So I apologize for this. Let me repost correctly to the purpose of all critics!
  
  Mr Balaji,
  
  best of luck on your endeavour. what do you want to prove to ARR . he is a copycat or the other point(T's are D's). you should know one thing, by bringing the best out from other regions (adopting!), you should appreciate any good as long as they are good. I think ARR is only letting T's the otherside of the the world by doing so. If we canNOT accept it (as long as they are melodious!) , you only prove the second point. That is T's are D's . ( kundu chattiyile kudhirai oattalama!)
  
  So instead of KCKO'ing we (T's ) should accept any foreign good(s) (sarakku) as long are they are pleasing! Whether it is ARR or IR or Deva or MSV or others!
  
  
• From: Sreeni (@ 198.4.166.21) on: Tue Jun 9 16:17:09 EDT 1998
  
  "Also You cannot meet him India...
  (Unless you are his wife...)
  I tried my best to meet him I failed.
  
  Srikanth"
  
  Er,what is this I see,Srikanth?Now this is really interesting,please do elaborate.Was there anything specific you wanted to say to him or find out from him?And how did you go about trying to meet him?Via Noel James?
  
  Sreeni.
  
  
• From: Krishnan Eswaran (@ cc1013134-a.ebnsk1.nj.home.com) on: Tue Jun 9 16:22:11 EDT 1998
  
  Are you alleging that ARR built a time machine? If not, then please explain how March 1998 ("Frozen") came before November 1997 ("Vande Mataram")?
  I guess we're not all as smart as you who thinks that time progresses backwards and not forwards
  
  
• From: Steve Horowitz (@ cc1013134-a.ebnsk1.nj.home.com) on: Tue Jun 9 16:29:13 EDT 1998
  
  Something else:
  "Frozen" sounds more Indian than "Only You" sounds American!
  
  Just though you might want to rub you brain cells together and process that!
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Jun 9 17:04:35 EDT 1998
  
  natchathirangal silar
  kangalil mattum
  sindhiya vairangal
  pirar kangalilo
  avai vaanakoorayil
  theriyum oattaigal
  
  ethanai arivu poorvamaaga
  isaiyayum athan thanmayayum
  urayaada naernthaalum
  
  meendum modhithaan theeruvoam
  ena murasidum manidharae
  
  sandhana oadayil saakkadai
  kalandhathu poal irukkiradhu
  oru puram
  aanal
  idhu eppozhuthumae saakkadaithano
  athil avvappozhuthu
  silar panneer thooviyathaith thaan
  naan thavaraaga purindhukondaeno
  endru manam varundhugirathu
  marupuram
  
  
  
• From: MPR (@ hindsight.nodak.edu) on: Tue Jun 9 18:20:28 EDT 1998
  
  Srikanth:
  
  I think Balaji is pointing
  out just ARR's work, no
  comparison between Ilaiyaraaja's
  and ARR's work. So why do you
  bring IR's work to this thread?
  
  

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