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TMS-a rare singer

Topic started by kalai (@ 202.9.150.212) on Fri Oct 26 16:10:26 EDT 2001.
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If you talk about tamil cinema music, particularly about music directors, there is always a genius in every decade.
1950's - G. RamaNathan
1960's - MSV
1970's - MSV
1980's - IR
1990's - ARR
There is transition in TFM music in every decade . Let me talk about singers.
Before 1950's it was ruled by "bhagavathar's" and most of the songs were karnatic base songs. TMS started his carrier with these kinds of Karnatic based songs . In that period, there is no such technical support and they sing in the stages without mic. Those who dedicated themselves to music, take so much of practices to mould their voices. TFM got so many genius like MS, MLV, PATTAMMAL with that qualities. TMS is also that sort of person who can sing from lower range to any higher ranges.TMS had a powerful voice, good modulation, good pronunciation and a versatility. (Few people consider gimmicks and mimicry as versatility).
After 1975, technically we are improved a lot, we got fresh music waves, but I feel s
singing quality is limited. We got two excellent singers like SPB and KJY and they are good at their voice range. Why we coulnt find a person like TMS, who sings in all ranges ? I feel The power of tamil is missing in TFM now a days like songs "engal thiravida pon naade" " chenthamzh then mozhiyal" "paatum naane" …. Now a days even in sad songs " the feeling of an ordinary person is reflected well and I can say it comes from heart. But think about a normal person who lost everything, his emotion will come from the stomack (abdomen)like a song "yaarukkaga" " intha naadaagam antha medayil" , "neeyum naanua", "paar magale paar" etc.. It is missing now a days.
TFM got varites of singers and we are the people who got varities of songs also.
Thiyaraja Bhagavathar , PU chinnappa , TR mahalingam, Chidambaram jeyaraman, seerkazhi gouvindarajan are a type of singers who can sing in very high pitches and each one got a peculiar voice also. A.M.raja, A.L raghavan, P.B.S are for low pitches and they were used for very soft songs. SPB, KJY, JayaChandran are used for lower and medium ranges. So,many others like chandra babu , Malaysia vasudevan also contributed so much. No where else we can see these many varites of songs and singers. Now a days most of the new singers are trying to copy SPB or KJY and they are lacking of originality.
I feel , TMS is the one of the few persons who can sing in any range. Few of his rare songs I am adding here, to justify my arguments. ( only, he can sing this songs- only samples).

Paatum naane Bhavamum naane --(thiruvilayadal)
Yaar tharuvar intha ariyasanam --kavi kalidai)
Eri kariyin mele -(muthalali)
Enge nimmathi (puthia paravai)
Naan unnai azhikavillai (engiruntho vanthaan)
Chinnanchiriya vanna paravai (kungumam)
En arumai kaathalikku (ellorum innattu mannargal)
Yaarukkaga (vasantha maaligai)
Atho antha paravai pola (aayirathil oruvan)
Acham enbathu madamayada (mannathi mannan)
Aadatha manamum undo (mannathi mannan)
Pathu maatham sumanthirunthu (annayin aanai)
Muthai thiru pathi thiru nagai (arunagiri nathar)
Punnagai thavazhum (maragatham)
Isai kettal puvi asainthadum (ThavaPuthalvan)

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• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.210) on: Sun Jan 13 23:20:25 EST 2002
  
  hi hi:))
  
  "he was the pioneer in delivering the "emotional content" of a song. (IR, SJ and to some extent PS are good in this aspect.)"
  
  -- Say this about TMS - Yes, agreed. Indha emotional content-la IR engerndhu vandhaar? And to some extent PS-aa? Ellam nilamaidhaan! SJ & emotional content don't go together in the songs that she sang in the 60's - in any case definitely not better than PS - Janakiyoda ella old songs-um ore maadhiri irukkum konjam kooda variation illaama and you're listing her in the pioneers!
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.210) on: Sun Jan 13 23:29:17 EST 2002
  
  Rajai, indha thread start pannavar peru Kalai, KaaLai ille:))
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.210) on: Sun Jan 13 23:31:00 EST 2002
  
  sorry, it was addressed to Rajaji not Rajai!
  (ellam unga effect-dhaan Rajaji, KaaLai-KaaLai-nu solli paathenaa, appadiye unga peraiyum "Rajai"-nu maathitten!)
  
  
• From: kalai (@ 203.124.235.133) on: Sun Jan 13 23:48:41 EST 2002
  
  Actor mohan was very famous once, and he given more silver jubilees than other actors. Can you tolerate, comparing him with Sivaji ?. Like that, SJ was in top during IR days. ( please note the word "top" ). thats all. SJ fans and IR fans are just projecting her to PS level , and they are very happy to compare SJ with PS. PS's acheivements are more than any singer in TFM and she is of different clause. please stop comparing PS with SJ. one Shivaji, One MSV, one TMS and only one PS.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Mon Jan 14 11:34:27 EST 2002
  
  karthi: ennaangarEL ippO? Art, Morning, and Bull kkum viththiyaasam irukkudaa muttaappayalE nu solreengaLaa? oppuththukkarEn, vidungO :-)
  
  aruL: While it is a fact that I did sing maadhavip pon mayilaaL (at Atlantic City, New Jersey for the FeTNA/TNF concert in 1999), let me be the first to tell you that what I sang was the fat free or skimmed milk version of the original. I took all the efforts required to learn the sangadhis, konnakkOl, swarams in the song. The difference was NOT in the technical aspects of the song. The basic difference is having grown listening to Rafi/Manna/KK/SPB/ in the formative years, I have styled myself more as a "crooner" rather than a "full throated singer" which TMS is/was.
  Only very few singers can sing a Madhavi pon mayilaaL or paattum naanEy or Erikkaraiyin mEle and achieve both
  1) the technical demands of rendering the song and
  2) deliver with the full throated "naadhaswaram like" sangadhis at the upper octaves, like TMS does.
  
  I definitely do NOT belong in the school.
  
  Unfortunately, with the advent of controlled sangadhis, subtle expressions, voice enhancements in recording, etc. etc. the art of "full throated singing" is probably lost for ever :-(
  
  
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Mon Jan 14 12:49:52 EST 2002
  
  deliver with the full throated "naadhaswaram like" sangadhis at the upper octaves, like TMS does i have hear this quite often. can you please elaborate on this when you get time. thanks.
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.166) on: Mon Jan 14 13:36:07 EST 2002
  
  RajaG, konnakkOl-naa enna? Indha vaarthaiya solli paakkumpOdhe enakku sirippu varudhE, En?
  
  
• From: tms_virumbi (@ 204.154.71.101) on: Mon Jan 14 14:05:21 EST 2002
  
  Kalai..
  
  one Shivaji, One MSV, one TMS and only one PS.
  
  Golden Words !! I will add one Kannadasan to the list
  
  I think they are the epitomes of the tamil film industry and they are beyond any comparison ..
  
  
• From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.147) on: Mon Jan 14 14:37:04 EST 2002
  
  Just a friendly warning (not directed towards anybody in particular), let us not allow this thread to degenerate into a 'Bhajanai madam' like most other threads. TMS's greatness and prolificity are facts and therefore he is not in dire need of our assistance for a face-lift. I repeat, this is not meant to be an indictment.
  
  
• From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.147) on: Mon Jan 14 14:37:50 EST 2002
  
  Karthi, you pervert !!!! :))
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Mon Jan 14 14:51:42 EST 2002
  
  Mr. OB (idhukku mEla unga pErla iruukira ezhuththukkaLa type adikkaradhu waste nu thONradhu) :-) - Your 'observation' on NOT letting this thread become a fanatical appreciation of "everything about TMS is only the best" is very valid, and timely.
  
  Karthi - konnakkOl = thaaLaththa vaayaala solradhu, like 'pa dha ni Sa ni dha thaNathajum pa ma thaNaku jam jam". umakku sirippu varuvadharkku kaaraNam, unagaLukku "sirichcha moonjiyaa irukkalaam" :)
  
  aruL: naadhaswaram style brigaas/sangadhi - innoru naaL detail aa phone la idhai paththi pEsalaam.
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Mon Jan 14 15:08:22 EST 2002
  
  ok. rAjAji. let me know when i can call you, preferably weekends. regards.
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.143) on: Tue Jan 15 01:25:29 EST 2002
  
  "(idhukku mEla unga pErla iruukira ezhuththukkaLa type adikkaradhu waste nu thONradhu)" - En, idha type panradhu waste-nu thOnaliyaa?!
  
  Anyway thanks RajaG for your explanation of konnakkOl and giving another 2 lettered abbr. for SL.
  
  OB, I honestly didn't think of it. Adhellam unga vocabulary.
  
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 12.239.146.204) on: Tue Jan 15 21:51:05 EST 2002
  
  Karthi, please stop mistaking me for Mr. Observer or whoever. GUYS, this Mr. Observer is an IMPOSTER who sometimes adopts my name and cuts and pastes from my earlier posts. Please be informed.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 12.239.146.204) on: Tue Jan 15 21:51:15 EST 2002
  
  Karthi, please stop mistaking me for Mr. Observer or whoever. GUYS, this Mr. Observer is an IMPOSTER who sometimes adopts my name and cuts and pastes from my earlier posts. Please be informed.
  
  
• From: rajaG, but I may not be rajaG!! (@ 64.126.84.100) on: Wed Jan 16 07:53:14 EST 2002
  
  adhaanE paarththEn! indha Mr.Observer Oda post ellaam coherent aa, sensible aa, to the point aa irukkEy - namma SL ivvaLavu lakshaNamaa ezhudha maattArE nu yOsichchindE irundhEn. Now the cat is out of the bag!! What say you SL?
  
  SL = SL without the meesai - good guy;
  Mr.OB = SL with meesai - initially a very bad guy, only because he was abducted by the villains in the thiruvizhaa during his formative years.
  
  
• From: Meera Krishna (@ 148.87.1.171) on: Wed Jan 16 16:37:33 EST 2002
  
  Mr Kalai, dont worry we(SJ fans) are not compare her with PS at any cost. As a great fan of SJ we never do that ok. You have written SJ was top only in IR period. Who is this IR? He may born around 1976,(her first kannada song was 1957) at that time She was top during G.K.V, T.G.Lingappa, M.Venkataraju, Upendrakumar,T.Chalapathi Rao, Rajan-Nagendra,Satyam. ( even Hamsalekha),etc etc...period. And SJ was top during IR period also(not only in Tamil,also in kannada,telugu and Malayalam).We know SJ's level and her achievements in all the languages. She was always No1 in Kannada and also No1 in IR period(Tamil). So we are very unhappy to compare her with PS.
  So please stop comparing SJ with PS.
  
  regards
  Meera
  
  
• From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.3) on: Wed Jan 16 18:02:16 EST 2002
  
  Meera Krishna, you should have addressed Mr. Karthi along with Kalai. Please note what he has said about SJ's singing of the 60s.
  
  Karthi, please refrain from fanaticism here. That too with regards to an artiste than the one in question here. Your love for PS overflowing into threads have nothing to do with what kind of saree she prefers etc etc.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 207.172.47.114) on: Wed Jan 16 21:25:31 EST 2002
  
  i think guys praising PS in a TMS thread is not out of context as max TMS songs (and great ones ) have been with PS.
  
  The mention of SJ not comparable to PS is coincidental
  
  Aayiram pattukal padinalum keecha kural keecha kural dhan..If any one has doubts please listen once to her hit songs .. Singaravelane and indha mandrathil odi varum .. it will be like a sound coming from a 80 ft well though the songs are good.
  
  And still one has doubts..listen to 'Anbe Amude Arutkaniye'or 'Mannavan vandhanadi' or ' 'Nalai indha velai' and it will put all doubts to rest(in peace).
  
  

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