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top music directors Indian music has produced.

Topic started by Veera akkoor (@ 1cust159.tnt2.det2.da.uu.net) on Fri Jun 12 20:49:30 EDT 1998.
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I would rate SD Burman to be the music genius that Indian music world has produced. Even IR accepts that Burmanda (as he is affectionately called) is a supreme music director. The list continues with Madan Mohan,Shankar Jaikishen,Salil Chowdry,Vasant Desai,Naushad,OP Nayyar,Illayaraaja,RD Burman,Roshan,KVM,MSV.Anyone can get into a discussion I can prove my sayings.

I would say IR is nowhere compared to SD Burman.

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Responses:

• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ synergy.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Jun 12 22:49:51 EDT 1998
  
  Ravi:
  
  umadhu sEvai indha thread-ukku ippO thEvai.
  
  
• From: vinod (@ makom.fkm.utm.my) on: Sat Jun 13 02:46:38 EDT 1998
  
  theEvai ilaay.IR rules....
  
  
• From: Viswa (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Jun 15 01:09:29 EDT 1998
  
  Veera,
  Could you please elaborate on the last statement that you have made, namely : "IR is nowhere compared to SD Burman." ? With due acknowledgements to the abundant (astounding) talents of Burmanda Sr., how do you make the comparison ?
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Mon Jun 15 14:04:38 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  "I would say IR is nowhere compared to SD Burman. ":
  In Physical size or What ?
  Just joking...
  
  SDB has done good work in the past agreed,
  But Raja has done many things which I will put one by one . (It is a break for me to after speaking for AR in the AR's vs Raja case.
  )
  
  Can you name 5 best chord progressions by SDB has done. SDB is more Indian or Hindustani. - classical based tunes...
  Pretty poor in arrangements,
  I will give you many technical stuff of Rajas creativity.
  Simple ones
  -----> 1. The Bass parts in Vannam
  in Anjali -
  2 The Tune of Valai osai kala kala
  3. Azage Azge devathai .... in Raja parvai.
  
  SD is famous only for this tune.
  But Raja with the tune - the music scores - The BGMS etc.. he is a master in arranging them than SDB.Rajas agrees that SDB is the best musicians -shows his courtsy...
  He is the person who removed the HINDI domination in the South indian film music.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
  
• From: Veera Akkoor (@ 1cust53.tnt2.det2.da.uu.net) on: Mon Jun 15 21:04:56 EDT 1998
  
  Mr Srikanth, I would still say that SDB had more versitality than any Music director. Mind you I am a great follower and fan of the Maestro too. But in the past no MD had given tunes with pathos,western,hindustani,gaiety,vibrance.Have you listened to the song "AAJ PHIR JEENE KI TAMANA HAI from GUIDE. SDB times did have BG score. Take movies like Jewel Thief.The last climax song and its orchestration is fabulous. You cannot say SDB is famous only for his tune. In his time he did not have that much sophistication as IR had. Out of many MD's who were proving to be great in their own right there was this man who stood apart in class. That SDB is just for tune is what I call childish talk. I could give you more details about IR than you think. Till this date no music director has ever made singers to sing the way SDB has done. Take Sujata,Bandini,Pyasa,Aradhana,Meri surat Teri Aanken,Guide,Taxi Driver,Sharmilee,Kala Baazar,Abhimaan. I could list for ever. The versitality is supreme. Till this date as I repeat again I would rate SDB ,SalilChoudry and Madan Mohan in BG score and for Classical stuff noone near Naushad, Vasant desai.
  
  If you need any more details please I am open for discussions. Your saying that IR is no 1 in tamil industry is also wrong in my opinion. No doubt IR changed a lot in Tamil Industry. Can you tell me or site an instance when Hindi MD's dominated tamil field. If so you have not followed Tamil music at all proir to IR. Have you at least heard of directors called G.Ramanathan who was a genius beyond compare. Of course C.Ramachandra did some tamil films. Mostly were remakes of Hindi movies like Vanchikotai Valiban (tamil vesion).KVM and MSV had ruled for over two decades. There was also some classic music before the advent of IR which no one would refute.
  
  Thanks
  
  
  Veera.
  
  
• From: Nithin (@ nc.pr.mcs.net) on: Mon Jun 15 22:35:45 EDT 1998
  
  Hi, Veera Akoor
  
  This is a new comparison. SDB and Illaiyaraja! Let me tell they are comparable to each other. Raja is in no way inferior to SDB in any aspect. There are a lot of influences of SDB on Raja.
  However, to say that among Raja's 700 movies, with nearly 70% containing mind-boggling compositions that Raja cannot come close to a handful of SDB's compositions!? Here, we are really talking who is the greatest, which is not going to be fair to anyone. Naushad himself has declared that Raja has done 100 times more than any composer in India I think is better way to say that we should restrain ourselves from making any more futile comparisons to Raja.
  
  Regards
  
  
  
  
• From: S.Suresh (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Tue Jun 16 08:26:16 EDT 1998
  
  "But in the past no MD had given tunes with pathos,western,hindustani,gaiety,vibrance".
  
  All this applies to the music of Vishwanathan- Ramamurthy as well. They had all these and much, much more. For every "Jeene Ki Tamannah Hai", MSV-TKR combo had its "Rajavin Paarvai". The way they took TFM out of the clutches of Carnatic Music and made it more accessible was definitely a great achievement. I am also a great fan of SDB but I am sure MSV will rate far ahead of him. Your putting MSV way behind troubles me more than putting SDB in front. In fact MSV had given as much more classical stuff than Naushad and Vasanth Desai put together.
  
  SDB was great because he could adapt to the times. It is a well known fact that he took lot of composition of his son R.D.Burman and passed it off as his own. This has been written innumerable times in lot of magazines. I am not taking away credit from SDB for his old work, but he did get help in his later days. MSV got none. All the attributes that you mentioned against SDB is also present in MSV's music. For me, MSV and KVM remain the masters of the tune.
  
  Regarding IR, the amount of experimentation he has done is really mindblowing. His music has melody, freshness, experimentation, harmonies and much, much more. On the classical music front, IR had taken some vivadhi ragams like Chalanatai and given "Paniviyum Malarvanam". I cant find anything like this in SDB's music. Take a very classical ragam like Gowlai and give "Vedam Nee". Again nothing like this has been heard in HFM, leave alone SDB. Have you heard any beats like the one he got for "Andhi Mazhai" or "Poonkathave". No way can you compare him to any MD in HFM. His scope, his range and his talents are so diverse that even if you line up the repertoire of all HFM MDs you will not get the variety provided by IR.
  
  Inact in HFM itself, I rate Roshan, Salilda and Madan Mohan ahead of SDB. I rate RDB one step ahead of SDB. So SDB for me definitely is not the No.1 MD of Indian Film Music
  
  
• From: Viswa (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Tue Jun 16 09:43:28 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Veera,
  Much as I respect your comments on the versatility of S. D. Burman, which is not being refuted by anyone, I feel that arguments like :
  
  "Till this date no music director has ever made singers to sing the way SDB has done..."
  
  "The versitality is supreme.." , etc.
  will not take the discussion anywhere. These aspects are subjective, and cannot be proven by any well-defined proof, or by any number of examples. The examples can at the most, serve to highlight various aspects of somebody's music, but will never serve to prove absolute superiority of one over the other.
  
  
  
  
• From: jeevanesan (@ ) on: Fri Jul 30 18:11:45 EDT 1999
  
  I feel that the comparisons made between SDB and
  IR is somewhat ambigous.
  While SDB has definitely given a lot of melodies , the orchestration for any song by IR
  is far more technically superior than any indian
  music director as a matter of fact. The Chord progressions, the counterpoints etc etc, definitely have an edge.Also his versitality with different musical genres cannot be doubted.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-77-79.sprint.ca) on: Fri Jul 30 18:43:56 EDT 1999
  
  Who is SD Burman? What did he do in Indian music?
  
  Details please.
  
  onnum puriyalla
  aruvi
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Fri Jul 30 18:59:55 EDT 1999
  
  aruvi :-)
  
  SD burman is RD Burman's father (idhu eppdi irukku ?) :-)
  
  "Mere sapnom ke rani" kEttirukkeengaLaa ? Andha paattOda composer.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Fri Jul 30 19:00:38 EDT 1999
  
  oops! somebody just confirm if I am right :-(
  
  
• From: SK (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Jul 30 21:40:53 EDT 1999
  
  MS:
  
  Yes that song (from Aradhana) is by SDB, if that's
  the confirmation you're looking for.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Fri Jul 30 22:34:11 EDT 1999
  
  Thanks SK.
  
  
• From: Feet planted firmly in the ground (@ ip201.kansas-city.mo.pub-ip.psi.net) on: Mon Aug 2 04:37:32 EDT 1999
  
  Taking a leaf out of S.V. Subbiah's dialogue in Sollaththaan ninaikkirEn - "rendEy rendu vaarththai, pEththalaana discussion"
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Mon Aug 2 13:02:37 EDT 1999
  
  Thanks for your disparaging remarks. But nobody seems to be very receptive for them. Hence you may take back what you said and find a better place to fit those remarks in. This forum is warm for people who share mutual respect and you will find that yourself and the forum are mutually hostile to each other.
  
  BTW, if you think you are too intelligent, why did you not sign yourself ? We would have been pleased to see a person with great critical ability. What we now see is a person with no spine.
  
  Be planted where you are. good for us and for yourself! It just tells us how "immovable" you are from your present state of mind and opinions. Still try to grow up!
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Mon Aug 2 13:50:00 EDT 1999
  
  MS,
  
  Purposely thaan punaip peyarla ezhudhinEn. No I am not afraid of using my name, and have never felt shy about letting it out, or have felt disappointed that my 'jobless' identity was revealed, albeit through my own mistake. (Sorry for that tempting dig:-)
  
  To put things in perspective, I don't know about you, but I feel, if the purpose of this discussion was to genuinely analyze the nuances, merits, apparent limitations, composing skills etc, etc, of various great MDs in HFM and TFM then the creator should ABSOLUTELY NOT HAVE added that bait "I would say IR is nowhere compared to SD Burman." There are tons of similar threads with merely statement headings about ARR, IR, MSV, HFM MDs etc, etc, inferiority/ superiority over each other. Truth is, the creators of these threads, on almost all occasions, fail to substantiate their claims with anything tangible, and are merely interested in vicarious mudslinging. You will never find Sriram Lakshman, Udhaya, Sridhar Seetharaman, Geetha, Ramaswamy Gireesan, etc, to name a few, either starting such a thread or making a statement unless they believe in it about a particular aspect of the MD AND are prepared to substantiate their claim. I am proud to say, that I believe I have not done it either. Kuzhaayadi chandai is fun, but only for a limited time. Not when the 'cheru' comes splattering on you.
  
  Satya Keerthi's initial response to this thread echoes my feelings. Does Veera Akkoor genuienely want an "akku vEru aaNi veru" discussion on SDB and IR compare and contrast? (Highlighting the similarity of his name and the phrase was intentional, Thank you!). Let's talk then. But how can anybody get through a preconceived mind which has already concluded that IR is nowhere near SDB?
  
  He has merely listed some movies of SDB and aaj phir jeenEy ki, and hOtOn me aisi baath. SDB is a great MD. Michael Jordan is a great basket ball player. We don't need Veera's infinite wisdom to see this light.
  
  Veera,
  
  hOtOn me aisi baath is a great song. Just tell us how does it make Oh Priya Priya from Geethaanjali superior or inferior?
  
  As I said before "pEththalaana discussion" (if not substantiated)
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Mon Aug 2 14:14:33 EDT 1999
  
  rajaG:
  
  Velaiyaththavan identity was just for fun. If you dig my posts you will find that in no place have I cast malicious remarks (I bet). I understand that floating statements like "IR is nowhere when compared with SDB" blow your fuses (mine too). But my question is if the statements countering the same should be of te same tone or eb better.
  
  I have never been offensive and will never want to be. I am surprised to see seasoned DFers like you write in such a manner. Anyway, I agree to your point that the discussion should be "akku veru aaNi vEru" instead of being general. I feel discussions will at some point of time be more enlightening than they are at present and that is what I look forward to.
  
  

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