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Mass Appeal

Topic started by dishkyoom (@ 160.81.7.18) on Wed Aug 16 18:56:13 EDT 2000.
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When it comes to "Mass-Appeal" in current TFM, I think this is how the rating goes.
1. ARR
2. Deva
3. IR
4. Other MDs

What r ur opinions?

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Responses:

• From: V (@ 129.188.33.221) on: Wed Aug 16 19:02:57 EDT 2000
  
  No, the order shud be :
  1. Deva
  2. SAR
  3. Sirpi
  4. ARR
  5. IR (if Bharadwaj, Vidyasagar, Soundaryan, Dina, etc. score less than 5 movies each per year)
  
  
• From: dishkyoom (@ 160.81.7.18) on: Wed Aug 16 19:14:38 EDT 2000
  
  I think Sirpy is a "long-gone" concept and SAR pops up once in a while...
  If u take the average ARR wud top the list with 90-95% success rate in getting appeal , Deva would stand 2nd and then IR...
  
  btb, has Dina scored any fil music as yet??
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.137) on: Wed Aug 16 22:15:27 EDT 2000
  
  Dina has scored for 'Annai' (* nasser,bhanupriya. Released (and gone) this year.)
  
  
• From: n (@ 161.142.78.82) on: Wed Aug 16 23:36:56 EDT 2000
  
  Dina has even scored for another film (sorry , dono the name) but it has one number going like this..Yehnn Penn Endru Piranthaai, Enn VaAalvil Pughunthai..
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Thu Aug 17 00:04:59 EDT 2000
  
  Love today ?
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ 130.63.184.43) on: Thu Aug 17 00:35:10 EDT 2000
  
  Isn't "Love Today" by Siva?
  
  
• From: yvs mani (@ 164.100.11.114) on: Thu Aug 17 03:14:22 EDT 2000
  
  Love today is by Shiva only and that song En pennendru piranthayo is in the same film.
  
  
• From: dishkyoom (@ 160.81.7.18) on: Thu Aug 17 15:30:21 EDT 2000
  
  yeah "Love Today" is by Siva
  
  
• From: dishkyoom (@ 160.81.7.18) on: Thu Aug 17 15:32:49 EDT 2000
  
  y it is so that IR is losing "Mass Appeal"?
  Is it b'cos his songs seem to have the same kind of music which people r bored to hear..and they like ARR and Deva is bcos they produce new sounds in their music....no sarcasm :-)
  
  
• From: NOV (@ 161.142.1.6) on: Thu Aug 17 23:09:03 EDT 2000
  
  Deva's concert in Malaysia:
  
  http://www.nstpi.com.my/z/Current_News/NST/Friday/Entertainment/20000818011432
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ ) on: Fri May 3 05:54:10 EDT 2002
  
  Well, according to HCIRFs like Yaaro, IR has alot of mass appeal. ARR stands far behind.
  So I supposed Yaaro's rating wud be:
  1. IR & Deva (closely tied)
  2. ...
  3. ...
  n. ARR
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Fri May 3 06:03:09 EDT 2002
  
  Mass appeal is subjective and changes almost ever friday. A composer like Bharadwaj with no specific genre/musical format attached to him, gained mass appeal almost overnight with 'O podu'! Vidyasagar did that with some of his songs recently. Adityan did it with amaran. Sirpy did it with UAT.
  
  In terms of curiosity value and demand for an album right from day one (unless it happens to be a star like Rajnikant's movie - where regardless of the composer, people will want to own the audio) I think ARR tops the list. Have seen it while I was in Coimbatore, in Salem, in Cochin and even in Delhi. Now, seeing it in Bangalore.
  
  Think HJ comes next with his recent success, but also consider Bharadwaj to take up that slot at least for his next 2 big budget assignments. All other composers depend heavily on TV ads, word of mouth publicity and movie release IMO. This does not include a HCIRF buying a IR tape on day one...I was talking about those scores of music fans with no particular fave.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Fri May 3 06:32:35 EDT 2002
  
  Karthik S,
  
  ARR in first place, HJ and Bharadwaj(??) in second place and you cleverly ignore YSR ?
  
  May be two, three years back ARR was HOT in terms of cassette sales, But Now I believe the scene is open for all - all MDs try and do their best, irrespective of MD's popularity or earlier successes, good albums defenitely sell - I can quote 'Paarvai ondRee pothumae' as an example, I am sure its sales would have been more than KM or Star or PP or Alli Arjuna.
  
  Two of my room mates, who are NOT ARR fans, used to buy every ARR album within one week of its release, After All Arjuna and PP ... they stopped doing this and now they bought KM ONLY After listening to the songs 10, 15 times in raaga.com and then watching the movie :-)
  
  I don't mean to say my room mates are the whole TFM World, But I feel many are becoming like them,
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 172.154.129.128) on: Fri May 3 07:10:59 EDT 2002
  
  NagaS.... someone is going to come back and say "two of NagaS friends is not the entire world"..... hmmm... i used to think only IR fans used to argue like "engaa allu thaan perisu", but of late i see ARRs fans doing the same..... these are the same person who kept on saying "accept the fact", and they are not able to accept the fact that some of ARR's recent albumns did not reach the mass.... hmm..... ellorumm sammam..... aioooo bore adikudhaaeyyy...... yaravadhu interesting nallu thread start panungapaaa....
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri May 3 07:29:03 EDT 2002
  
  sabesan, maybe u shud accept the fact that reaching the masses is not the most important thing for a musician.
  
  I have heard IR Fans argue umpteen times that IR's albums have quality and even of they dont reach the masses as they used to, he is still a great composer and is nothing short of great.
  I even agreed with this.
  
  Now the same IR Fans are coming back to argue that ARR's albums are not reaching the masses anymore.
  So ARR is a has-been in TFM and no more the great.
  
  Is this hypocrisy or an extension of the IR Fans' mission here to pull down ARR at any length?
  
  If ARR produces songs that appeal to the masses, u guys say that they are jus for the masses and have no quality. When he produces quality albums like PP and KM which dont reach the masses, u guys say he does not appeal to the masses and he is a goner.
  
  You guys are predictable.
  
  And now, I am told Kaasi and Azhagi are mass appeal albums.
  
  I tell u what. O Podu and Marudha Malai are examples of mass appeal numbers. So r u saying Deva and BW are the greatest MDs in TFM today?
  
  As an ARR Fan, I am more fond of his truely great songs, (a topic which was discussed in Ten Real Rahman Classics thread) than his mass-appeal numbers like Muquabla & Humma.
  
  Mass Appeal is not the only important criteria to judge how good a MD is. If it is, IR is probably buried as deep under the ground as ARR, if not deeper. So why dont u guys snap out of ur denial before trying to make it look like others are the ones not accepting facts.
  
  If u want to go strictly by mass appeal, let's go back to sales records then. ARR's may be lower than what they used to be. But they still remain higher than you-know-whos.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Fri May 3 07:39:10 EDT 2002
  
  WhyNot,
  
  >>>> maybe u shud accept the fact that reaching the masses is not the most important thing for a musician.
  
  I Fully agree to your point ! But, itha naanga 10 varushamaa sollittirukkom ;-)
  
  ARR fans-kku ippothaan ithu puriya aarampichchirukku ... does that convey something ?
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Fri May 3 07:43:35 EDT 2002
  
  NagaS:
  
  I can understand your interest on YSR. You are a genuine fan of his and nothing wrong.
  
  In YSR's case, take JS. The film has released, no body knows. There is no sound of the songs of the films in tea shops , saloons or any where. Shill, gemini,shajahan and others small budget film music are going rounds.
  
  When we are talking about mass appeal, I think YSR has got not that big a mass appeal as you think. See, when KM released, it might not have made a block buster in the first day itself. Many were cautious of buying the cassette, but almost all talked about it. They liked it or not they wanted to know and a make their opinion.
  
  YSR has a long way to go and in mass appeal he has not been a crowd puller yet.
  
  I have just listened to two songs in JS and that too in TV only. I usually, get to know a songs popularity in and around my work place...generally. But, JS, even though the film has released, I don't know how many of them knew about the film.
  
  I am not going to comment about the songs, because, I do not want to unnecesaryly disturb others who like it.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Fri May 3 07:44:12 EDT 2002
  
  All the above in my humble opinion.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri May 3 07:45:31 EDT 2002
  
  "But, itha naanga 10 varushamaa sollittirukkom ;-)"
  
  Not really, I hear kupps & yaaro trying hard to convince me that Kaasi & Azhagi have mass appeal. Any particular reasons for that?
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri May 3 08:10:53 EDT 2002
  
  Karthik S,
  well said. tat was a balanced and unbiased analysis.
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 172.135.79.237) on: Fri May 3 08:52:28 EDT 2002
  
  WhyNot - Kaasi and Azhagi did have mass appeal - whether u accept it or not..... well, i can just go by what is said in all the websites - and mostly all said KAASI was a hit in all the "patti thottis"....
  
  nagaS - yes, that does convey something - as i said earlier, has both the MDs become "HAS BEEN" :-).... sonnal neriaaa perukku kobaam varudhu.....
  
  CF - its really a pity - many of YSR's numbers are going unnoticed.... i saw that happen in "Oh maane maane" song - not sure how many have heard it..... and now its happening in Jr.Sr songs.... hmmm people's taste...... may be people just need "ennadi muniamaa", "maalaai maaalaay" or "oh poodu" only.... but wait, the "test of time" - i don't think any of the above are going to stand it, right.....
  
  Karthik S - i agree with u.....
  
  in general one doubt - why is that when only someone praises a MD, their fans *accept* that as a "balanced and unbiased analysis".....
  
  again "ada pongaaabaaaa..... bore adikudhaaeeyyyy..... aioooo yaravadhu nalladha nallu thread araaambigabaaa"....
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri May 3 09:04:03 EDT 2002
  
  maybe u shud accept the fact that reaching the masses is not the most important thing for a musician
  
  But this thread/discussion is about Mass Appeal, isn't it?
  
  Not really, I hear kupps & yaaro trying hard to convince me that Kaasi & Azhagi have mass appeal. Any particular reasons for that?
  
  ah...now you agree that I'm telling Kaasi & Azhagi have mass appeal and not IR is having mass appeal :-).
  
  When Karthik S says its balanced and unbiased. When Kupps says ... its trying to convince hard :-) NOM
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri May 3 09:06:01 EDT 2002
  
  sabesan, let me explain this to u like how i explained ABC to my younger brother...
  
  1. ARR has been and is no1 for many years in TFM
  
  2. His recent couple of albums had good sales records, but were not sold as quickly or in as such gigantic numbers as they used to be.
  
  3. These albums despite their lukewarm sales record (in comparison wit ARR's own standards, not wit the standards of other MDs), were still good in terms of quality.
  
  Now bcos of the above events, the vayitherichal cases in this forum r concluding that bcos (2) has happened, (1) is no longer true. They have failed to consider that (3) is true and have completely forgotten that
  
  4. ARR has still more TFM albums waiting to be released, including typical mass popularity/commercial numbers like Rajini's Baba and Shanker's Boys.
  
  Hence the statement "has-been" only bares to the world what a Vayitherichal Case you are, bcos anyone in their right mind wud know it is not true and anyone who says something like tat clearly is not accepting facts.
  
  

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