Topic started by On behalf of Sankar (@ 210.186.51.129) on Mon Dec 30 07:11:34 EST 2002.
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Kaaviyathayin Illaya magan
Kadhal Pengalin Perun thalaivan
Paamara jaadiyil thani manidan – naan
Padaippadhanal yen per Iraivan
Naan Manida jaadiyai aati vaipen – avar
Maandu vital adhai paadi vaipen
NAAN NIRANDARAM AANAVAN AZHIVADILAI
ENDA NILAYILUM ENAKKU MARANAM ILLAI
These are the great lines of Kaviyarasu Kannadasan in the movie Ratha Thilakam where he acts in the movie singing these lines. ( Song.. Oru Koopayilae yen kudiyiruppu)
What a visionary he was ? Indeed, he is NIRANDARAMAANAVAN.
I share some of my observations about Kavingyar. I want all the fans of HIM to join this discussion and add more quality material in praise of his great works.
This is the only way we pay tributes to this GENIUS.
WILL WE EVER GET BACK A KAVINGYAR LIKE KANNADASAN ??
Read the complete opening post here.
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- From: Venky (@ 65.37.77.67)
on: Sun Mar 30 13:35:21 EST 2003
Mahendra raj, I am waiting to read more about Kaviarasar. Please do keep posting.
- From: bb (@ 12.234.176.52)
on: Sun Mar 30 18:54:38 EST 2003
Guys, I've put together all of Mahendra Raj's postings in this page: http://www.newtfmpage.com/my/lyricist/kannadasan_raj.html
As and when Mahendra Raj adds posts here, I will add them to that page. That way, we can archive this amazing series.
Mahendra Raj, please keep posting. Guys like you, Manisegaran and Saravanan are treasures that we can't get enough of. There is a lot of read-only activity in this page. People like me are silent only because we don't have anything new to contribute from that era. You are doing a great job, and keep it coming!
- From: manise (@ 61.6.39.139)
on: Sun Mar 30 23:40:48 EST 2003
Mahendraraj,
We spoke over the phone. I have no guts to explain "Chiru Koodal Patti". In the words of Kannadasan it refers to :
"Enni paarthaal Sinna Idam-
Iruvar Koodum Malla Idam"
Pothumo Intha info?
Thanks for reminding about the old flame of Kanadasan bolting off half way during his speech. I think I know the lady.
Now another event at MARA auditorium in Kuala Lumpur. Kannadasan was scheduled to be at the gathering at 5. 00 pm. He arived late and apologised saying
"Ellarukkum Matham Undu. Enakkum oru Matham Undu. Athuthaan "Thaamatham". Varumbpthu Thaagam Eduthathu. Soda kudithen. Naan Soda Mattume kudippathillai enbathu unkalukkum theriyum"
The crowd brought down the hall through thunderous applause.
In 1970 I saw him at the community hall in the northern town of Butterworth. When kannadasan was introduced, he did not start off with the typical protocol, salutation etc,,etc. He started "Ithu Nalla Maalai Velai, Sugamaana Kaatru, kadal Karai Oram, Ithamaana soolnilai, Mayakkum Neram... Intha neram paarthu Malligai Manam veesinaal nallavan manathum Kettuvidum!" Through such witty oratory skills he kept the audience mesmerised for two hours. He gave a list of songs and background.
I brought Valampuri John (former MP)to Malaysia in 1986 to give a series of literary talks in Malaysia. In one of the functions he related how Kannadasan was able to turn opposition waves to his favour at a split of a second. At one time Valampuri John was some local DMK youth leader. (He has visited all parties and now unwanted by any party)
When Kannadasan had left the DMk party, Valampuri John arranged for some talks by Kannadasan at the Kalaivanar Arangam. As kannadasan spoke, the Thanga Kambikal started to jeer and distrub his speech. This got into the nerves of Kannadasan, who went back stage to go home. Valampuri john pleaded to him to continue. So kannadasan came to the stage again, faced the crwod and did something that no one expected. In a few sentences he glorified Annadurai. Then he sang the song
Ettadukku Maalikayil
Etri vaitha En thalaivan
Vittuvittu Chenraanadi-Inru
Veryuppattu Ninraanadi-Inru
VEruppattu Ninraanadi.
The Thangak kambikal got drowned in this great song and started to clap and gave somewhat a standing ovation like treatment. As soon as the wave was in favour of Kannadasan, the poet said "Vanakkam" and buzzed off.
John said that in his life he had never seen any speaker who could turn fierce opposition to his favour within a spur of the moment.
- From: Manisekaran (@ 61.6.39.139)
on: Sun Mar 30 23:41:02 EST 2003
Mahendraraj,
We spoke over the phone. I have no guts to explain "Chiru Koodal Patti". In the words of Kannadasan it refers to :
"Enni paarthaal Sinna Idam-
Iruvar Koodum Malla Idam"
Pothumo Intha info?
Thanks for reminding about the old flame of Kanadasan bolting off half way during his speech. I think I know the lady.
Now another event at MARA auditorium in Kuala Lumpur. Kannadasan was scheduled to be at the gathering at 5. 00 pm. He arived late and apologised saying
"Ellarukkum Matham Undu. Enakkum oru Matham Undu. Athuthaan "Thaamatham". Varumbpthu Thaagam Eduthathu. Soda kudithen. Naan Soda Mattume kudippathillai enbathu unkalukkum theriyum"
The crowd brought down the hall through thunderous applause.
In 1970 I saw him at the community hall in the northern town of Butterworth. When kannadasan was introduced, he did not start off with the typical protocol, salutation etc,,etc. He started "Ithu Nalla Maalai Velai, Sugamaana Kaatru, kadal Karai Oram, Ithamaana soolnilai, Mayakkum Neram... Intha neram paarthu Malligai Manam veesinaal nallavan manathum Kettuvidum!" Through such witty oratory skills he kept the audience mesmerised for two hours. He gave a list of songs and background.
I brought Valampuri John (former MP)to Malaysia in 1986 to give a series of literary talks in Malaysia. In one of the functions he related how Kannadasan was able to turn opposition waves to his favour at a split of a second. At one time Valampuri John was some local DMK youth leader. (He has visited all parties and now unwanted by any party)
When Kannadasan had left the DMk party, Valampuri John arranged for some talks by Kannadasan at the Kalaivanar Arangam. As kannadasan spoke, the Thanga Kambikal started to jeer and distrub his speech. This got into the nerves of Kannadasan, who went back stage to go home. Valampuri john pleaded to him to continue. So kannadasan came to the stage again, faced the crwod and did something that no one expected. In a few sentences he glorified Annadurai. Then he sang the song
Ettadukku Maalikayil
Etri vaitha En thalaivan
Vittuvittu Chenraanadi-Inru
Veryuppattu Ninraanadi-Inru
VEruppattu Ninraanadi.
The Thangak kambikal got drowned in this great song and started to clap and gave somewhat a standing ovation like treatment. As soon as the wave was in favour of Kannadasan, the poet said "Vanakkam" and buzzed off.
John said that in his life he had never seen any speaker who could turn fierce opposition to his favour within a spur of the moment.
- From: Manisekaran (@ 61.6.39.139)
on: Mon Mar 31 00:23:38 EST 2003
People say that kannadasan never had any fixed political ideology. I am myself yet to come across anyone who had fixed ideology in politics. I do not want to open the pandoras box, as we may differ in our thoughts. But I want to mention how Kannadasan spoke when he was introduced on stage.
Karunanithi was on his way to Pollachi for a political meeting. On the way Karunanithi had to pass through karaikkudi. From there Kannadasan joined him-with a forehead full of viboothi. As soon as they reached the meeting place, Kannadasn too was given a place on the stage. He was not scheduled to speak. But when he saw Karunanithi speaking in beautiful Tamil, Kannadasan could not keep his cool composture. He requested (or pressed) karunanithi to give him a chance to speak. Karunanithi objected,citing the Kungumam and Viboothi that may not appeal in a political meeting of that nature. To that remark kannadasan said "Ithu enna Piramaatham?" and immediately wiped off his forehead! karunanithi introduced Kannadasan as POET for the first time and that was retained till the end. karunanithi was the first to introduce Kannadasan as a peot.
kannadasan's opening remarks in that atheist gathering went like this " Vattikku vatti Vaaangum Mattikal Niraintha Chettimaar naattil Irunthu vanthavan naan" He was hitting his own nagarathaar community. Then he gave a long talk on Pagutharivu, Thanmaanam, etc which was a great fashion in those days. He did receive thunderous applause. But after the talk, Kannadasan was rebuked by Karunanithi in private. He even requested the sensitive parts to be deleted in the reporting in Murasoli.
In another instance, Kannadasan stood for elections in Thiruppathoor under DMK ticket in 1957. Karunanithi stood in Kulithalai, and other leaders stood elsewhere. Kannadasan was sure of victory. He spoke with confidence. As Thiruppathoor is not that far from Chettinaadu, he addressed his community in what could be passed as good English- by the prevailing standards then. He said" We Chettiyaars are neither forward nor backward. Shame, we are indeed auckward" At this gathering, even before the votes were cast, Kannadasan said " Ithuthaan Muthal Therthal. Thiruppathoor thaan Muthal Arivippu Aagum. Ithuve Muthal DMK vetriyaagum.
When Karunanithi was celebrating his own victory at Kulithalai, he was announcing the victory results of other candidates, including the defeat of Narayanasamy (Nadamadum palkalaikkazhagam-Ilam Thaadi navalar Nedunjechiyan) Then comes a thundu seettu from the crowd, saying Kannadasan had won in Thiruppathoor. Karunanithi was in fact deep in his heart sceptical about the victory of kannadasan. So he refused to annunce that result untill confirmation comes in the radio announcement. But Anbil Tharmalingam who was highly excited announced saying "Ungalukku Theriyuma? Thiruppathooril Kavingar kannadasan Vetri!" There was thunderous applause.
On the following day, the dailies reported that Kannadasan came in third place and lost deposit. Karunaithi visited him and asked him "Ennaiya aachu?" to which Kannadasan laugingly said "Pottiya Odaichittanya!"
Karunanithi laughed loud and remarked "Pottiya Odaichithanaiya Votta ennanum?"
Kannadasan had the stength to accept defeats in the most light manner.
When Karunanithi became chief Minister a kaviyarangam was arranged in KAraikkuidi I think. There poets were told to praise Karunanithi in various forms. Kanadasan wrote a poem depicting Karunanithi as his kaathali. I am not too sure of the lines. Hope my memory serves me right. It goes like this"
Enakkum Oru Kaathali Undu
Ullathil thoongum Vanakkili
Avalai Innum Marakkavillai
Ninaikkayil Inikkum Neivasakuzhali
Inru Enakku Kavithaiyaanaal
Ithuthaan nan Petra Inbam
Kanniyin Peyarai Ketten-
Karunayam nithi Endraal
Manniya Uravai Ketten
manthiri Kumari Endraal
Panni Naan Kettappothu
Parasakthy Vadivam Enraal
Chennaithaan Oorra? Enren
Thirupathoor Nagaram Enraal
Thanthiram Seival
Mella Sagasam Purivaal
Minnum Anthivaan Minnal Pola
Adikkadi Chirippal-Naanum
Panthayam Pottu Paarthu
Pala Murai thotrupponen
Enna Manthiram Seithaalo!
En Manathaiye Siraiyaai Kondaal.
This is the poem that Karunanithi quotes even today.
Karunanithi quotes another incident to bring out the wittiness of Kannadasan. Both were staying at the Nadar Mansion (I think near Central) Karunanithi went for a meeting while Kanadasan slept off in his bed. When Karunanithi returned, he saw cobra under Kannadasan's bed and got the people to kill it. After that Kannadasan moved off and slept on karunanithi's bed. Karunanithi requested Kannadasan to vacate his bed saying he was so scared. Kannadasan said " Yo! Aambalaina paambukkellam payappadakkodathuya!. Neer antha padukkayileye paduthukkum. Naan ingeye paduthukkiren" Then both of them decided to keep awake the whole night.
These were friends who became bitter enemies on political front. But deep inside they had their own areas of accord.
- From: sathi (@ 69.27.194.197)
on: Mon Mar 31 00:57:42 EST 2003
dear Mani,
Kavinger Kannathasan touched many lives including mine, I believe he experienced all stages in lifes. Through his songs he communicated the very rich, the poor and the middle class. During the year 1972 Tamil dept in Presidency College invited Kavinger Kannnathasan to speak . His Personality was non threatening but his words were like spears. He looked at the student audience and said not many of us will be able to get a job even after we graduate from the college. Those words hit me so hard and made me explore my opportunities. I didn't appreciated him at that time for discouraging young minds. But now, I am so glad that he said those words. Those words were like catalyst which helped me find my own nitch. Even now, I listen to his philosophical song. May God bless his soul.
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