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Topic started by G.S.M Sundaram (@ 210.212.54.10) on Sat Aug 26 13:45:32 EDT 2000.
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Did Ilayaraja received national award for the film
"Mogamul"?

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Responses:

• From: prakash (@ 193.113.185.167) on: Sat Aug 26 14:53:11 EDT 2000
  
  no
  
  
• From: vc (@ ) on: Mon Mar 5 00:29:53 EST 2001
  
  Can anyone clarify how many national awards has
  arr won till date.I heard it's 12 from one of my
  friends.Please clarify as soon as possible please.
  Also has IR ever won atleast one national award?
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 202.54.13.6) on: Mon Mar 5 01:01:29 EST 2001
  
  IR won 3 national awards..
  ARR 2 i think..
  
  
• From: Sk (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Mon Mar 5 08:09:03 EST 2001
  
  IR - 3 (I doubt)
  2 (I am sure - Sundhu Bhairavi and Sagarasamgaman)
  
  Correct me if I am wrong
  
  ARR - 2 (Perfect)
  
  
• From: SK (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Mon Mar 5 08:09:18 EST 2001
  
  IR - 3 (I doubt)
  2 (I am sure - Sundhu Bhairavi and Sagarasamgaman)
  
  Correct me if I am wrong
  
  ARR - 2 (Perfect)
  
  
• From: Rammohan (@ 12.2.142.7) on: Mon Mar 5 09:33:01 EST 2001
  
  IR 3
  1. sagara sangamam
  2. sindhu bhairavi
  3. Rudra veena
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Mon Mar 5 11:21:52 EST 2001
  
  12 must be filmfare awards.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Mon Mar 5 12:06:22 EST 2001
  
  kk:
  You are right. 12 ff awards inclusive of all langs.
  May be the only MD so fan in india to bag 12 ff awards. (May be..)
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ 139.72.120.21) on: Mon Mar 5 18:48:27 EST 2001
  
  If the similar kind of team who rated 'Minsara kanavu' as the Nation's best album had been existed those days,IR would have won umpteen no of national awards...Am i right?
  
  
• From: bb (@ 216.217.80.201) on: Mon Mar 5 19:16:38 EST 2001
  
  http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~kailasan/awards.htm - list of ARR's awards.
  
  
• From: vc (@ 202.9.162.123) on: Tue Mar 6 09:34:24 EST 2001
  
  bb,
  Thanks for the link.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Tue Mar 6 12:23:37 EST 2001
  
  Krishna,
  It is really childish. Yes, IR deserves many NA, which probably he did not get. That's true. He should have atleast got one more for "Mudhal Mariyadhai". But, don't belittle a NA by saying the jury was a crap one, even for argument sake.
  Why not I say that the 3 NA IR got, was judged by crap jury. The fact is ARR has got 2 in a very short span of time.
  Accept the fact and feel relevied (if not proud) that atlast now north indians have accepted somebody from south. The time is changing. This is the good time for people like KR (already made a mark thru Grahan) , YSR and others to do the harvest.
  I am sure IR this time will get one for Bharathi.
  Also, I feel that Zubeida of ARR is equally fantastic. I don't know whether I can talk about HFM here. You can search the internet for its review.
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ 139.72.120.22) on: Tue Mar 6 18:27:39 EST 2001
  
  Common friend,
  I do listen all languages songs though I am hailing from Hyd.
  I listened to Jubeida also.I am not going to talk about it.
  "Yes, IR deserves many NA, which probably he did not get. That's true".
  
  I have written the same in other manner.
  
  He has to won many for the films which have 6 attracted sensational songs like MK.
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 12.89.135.140) on: Tue Mar 6 21:01:54 EST 2001
  
  I guess IR got 3 national awards in times it was kind of rare for a south indian MD to get awards.
  
  In fact I'm surprised why he did not get national awards for Nayagan, Mouna Raagam, Payanangal mudivadillai, and I can name many more. If we had a very unbiased jury between 1976 and 1994, he would easily have gotten a dozen.
  
  Yes, ARR did get a couple in a short span, but he started composing for hindi films early in his career, more media these days, works always for high budget, high marketing movies most of which are made in many languages.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Wed Mar 7 11:07:11 EST 2001
  
  At the times of IR even HFM music directors didn't get NA. But, those who got were mostly from Kerala, WB, or assam or orisa. Only art films were given much importance and they had several criterias for giving an award.
  I think, the trend started with Roja. That is why I feel so proud about this man. He has made the not so freindly north Indians to look towards south. Now, you can see HF makers lying in queue to get his music. Till date I don't think anybody (kamal was a bit successful) from south could sway the NI like this.
  Alleast we should feel that good times have arrieved for us in south and we should make the most of it.
  KR..YSR.. listning...
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ 139.72.120.22) on: Wed Mar 7 14:53:11 EST 2001
  
  Common Friend,
  You are right.ARR made NI turndown to South.
  But,you are forgetting the fact.IR the one who made NI MDs like Anand-Milind,Anu Mallik,Nadeem
  to follow the wind of south.
  In early 90's,most of the hit songs from these MDs are nothing but IR's originals.I hope I need not explain more on this.
  Bottom line is,IR may not have won the hearts of NI,but his tunes are still ringing in their ears in form "Dhak Dhak karne laga.."
  
  
• From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189) on: Wed Mar 7 15:57:46 EST 2001
  
  Krishna,
  
  We Tamilians are intellectuals and won't listen to anyone. And secondly we are against Hindi and hence there might not be chance for them to listen to the Hindi tunes. So don't waste your time trying to convince.
  
  That is the reason IR is focussing more on Telugu and other languages because Tamilians respect him a lot than other do.
  
  Common Friend,
  
  Zubeida? Fantastic?? Really??? Only one song is listenable and where is that on the chart busters.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Wed Mar 7 16:09:49 EST 2001
  
  STS,
  
  I and my Tamil friends are not intellectuals by any account and we listen to quite a number of Hindi songs.
  Some of my Hindi friends are big fans of IR.A few of them even like IR better than any MD.
  
  "Zubeida? Fantastic?? Really??? Only one song is listenable and where is that on the chart busters"
  
  Is this the ultimate truth or your well perceived unbiased opinion?
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Thu Mar 8 10:12:15 EST 2001
  
  Krishna:
  You are right. In early 90s, most of hfm MDs could earn their bread only because of ID. They simple lifted all his best songs.
  
  In late 70s & early 80s , people just went on to hear only hf songs of kishore and others. They won't even understand the lyrics and were not able to sing them either. But they kept on appriciating and listning to hfm. IR came into the filmdom and he pulled back all southindian and made them listen to the songs of their land. Indeed a great work. He could sustain them to this side till 90s.
  In 90s again people in south started to hear hfm of anu malik, AM, JL and DS etc. and this time the audio cassettes started comming to the market in large number. Music industries took a turn this time. ARR came, he not only made tamilians to listen to tamil songs but also made hindi people buy his songs.
  I have many Sindhi and rajasthani friends who buy good film music of ARR even though they don't understand a bit of it.
  Now ARR has established himself in NI also.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Thu Mar 8 10:13:21 EST 2001
  
  Krishna:
  You are right. In early 90s, most of hfm MDs could earn their bread only because of IR. They simple lifted all his best songs.
  
  In late 70s & early 80s , people just went on to hear only hf songs of kishore and others. They won't even understand the lyrics and were not able to sing them either. But they kept on appriciating and listning to hfm. IR came into the filmdom and he pulled back all southindian and made them listen to the songs of their land. Indeed a great work. He could sustain them to this side till 90s.
  In 90s again people in south started to hear hfm of anu malik, AM, JL and DS etc. and this time the audio cassettes started comming to the market in large number. Music industries took a turn this time. ARR came, he not only made tamilians to listen to tamil songs but also made hindi people buy his songs.
  I have many Sindhi and rajasthani friends who buy good film music of ARR even though they don't understand a bit of it.
  Now ARR has established himself in NI also.
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ 139.72.120.21) on: Thu Mar 8 11:29:20 EST 2001
  
  CF,
  I do agree.
  It was the 'Qyamat se Qyamat tak',changed the trend in HFM in late 80's(88).Bappilahari who dominated the show by composing disco beats all the time had taken back seat with QMQT..Anand-Milind's music was suddenly populared with the massive success of QMQT.I guess,this was the only album of them,which doesn't have IR's flavor.
  There after,every other release of their album has got atleast one hit song of IR.
  Love,Baaghi,Vamsh,Dil,BolRadhaBol,Angarakshak,Betaetc.,
  After Nadeem-Shravan's entry with Ashique,HFM took a U trun in melody.Undoubtedly,this duo had given good melodies over a period of first 5 years.Whether it's south or north,every melody lover enjoyed the freshnees of it.There were few rumours that some of the songs from this duo are the inspirations from IR's Tamil songs.(Eg. Dilhaikimantanahin-Galyan sangli is taken from Surangani(M.Vasudevan))
  It seems they also tired in giving good music.
  Meanwhile,
  MaheshBhat's another invention 'Anu Malik' had started the innings with super success of Phir teri kahani yaad ayee,no doubt very good album.He did give good music for couple of albums in cluding papa kahet hein,virasat etc..He also taken couple of tunes from IR's (Devar Magan,Yajaman,Valli etc)..That was the time,so called family entertainers came up and new MDs are widley encouraged for giving a fresh look to their film.Jatin-Lalit,Uttam sing,SD,etc Qd up.
  Now,everyone has become like rarely wonders.No continuous victory for any MD.All are in same style.ARR's entry is definately a shock to the rest in HFM.Since it's new for everyone,going strong.Often,they used to complaint that ARR's score is becoming repetetive and routine.Things will always change.
  
  So what I can say finally is,ARR is just next to IR in any sense including attracting NIs.As a pesron he mayn't be popular like ARR in NI,in depth his music is like a dictionary for NIs current MDs.Hope you agree to this...
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Thu Mar 8 12:05:54 EST 2001
  
  Krishna:
  You stuck the bulls eye. I agree to most of your passage.
  It is really funny to compare IR and ARR. Both are of different eras. Even though IR is still making music, the KING IR , the IR of 80s is long dead. What is remaining is the leftover residue of IR (IR fans don't take it otherwise - just I want to put forth a point). It is not his fault nor ours. It is nature. It has happened to everyone and will keep happening. It will be an insult for IR if you compare him with any new MD. He is a seasoned player and is there for 25 years.
  But, ARR is no less a MD. He has proved way beyond expectation in a very short period of time. He made people on the north of vindhyas, realise that there is land in the south also. It is great to see someone from TN dictate terms for NI people there. One point to realise is that, if ARR had no original stuff, he would not have rised to such a level. It all depends on how you interpret it and how you accept it.
  ARR vs IR topics might be of great interest for time passing , but nothing can be arrived atlast. Both the camps wont agree to a common point. Tommorow, we might argue on ARR vs KR or KR's children, who knows. The argument will continue.
  
  A king can rule for only a span of time. After him some one has to occupy the throne.
  
  

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