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Should janaki stop singing

Topic started by ram (@ 24.47.158.78) on Tue Jan 8 00:08:45 EST 2002.
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I'm an ardent fan of S.Janaki and I consider her to be most talented female singer ever...but of late age has caught up with her divine was and I feel that if she continues to sing then people will start forgetting the great renditions she has rendered and curse her like they do for Kapil dev T.M.Sounderrajan etc....

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• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Jan 12 13:28:28 EST 2002
  
  Can you post a link to the article you were reading, unbiased? Is it available on the net? I'd like to read it as well...many thanks.
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ 207.172.47.106) on: Sat Jan 12 14:05:02 EST 2002
  
  I think SJ always had a Kreech Kreech Voice right from Singaraveelane . That doesn't mean she is not a good singer. She is versatile and was capable of singing good songs, which a chitra or present day singers can't do (ofcourse no comparison with PS ). though having a better voice.
  If people shud remember for her good songs then she shud quit. Else people she is going to suffer the same fate as a TMS or KJY.(people forgetting all the good things)
  These north indian journalists don't get sleep if they stop praising Mangeshkar family.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: avr (@ 203.197.82.5) on: Sun Jan 13 03:06:07 EST 2002
  
  unbiased:
  
  The 70s songs of LM were bad, really??? I see that your name does not suit u at all :-))
  
  And forget Aandhi,kabhi kabhi,annadata,amar prem,sss, fakira,shankar hussain, chambal ki kassam, mehbooba,chupke..2,pakeezah,parichay,kinara,ghar,razia sultan,bobby,mela,anjaana,rajnigandha,chhotisi baat........... :-)
  
  I now really believe that the beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.
  
  About the monopoly - it is the MDs, lyricists,directors,producers... who all preferred the sisters over anyone else most of the times. So the whole accusation is primarily puerile and just another masala story, many of which proliferae amongst Northies, and more so in Bollywood :-)
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Jan 13 03:55:06 EST 2002
  
  Unbiased, now don't tell me I didn't warn you about the wringer...and so what are you gonna do??
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 203.197.82.5) on: Sun Jan 13 04:09:34 EST 2002
  
  UNBIASED:
  
  Now coming back to the main topic of the thread, this foll. statement by you makes no sense at all.
  
  BTW, SJ to begin with was not an extraordinary singer as many people claim here. She was discovered to suppress someone else who in turn was suppressed by the same guy to promote someone else..
  
  S Janaki was clearly a singer par excellence - i like PS,LM,VJ more, but denying that SJ was extraordinary is arrogance. She has touched nearly all genres of film music with great ease and fluency.
  
  
  And please tell me who this "someone else" .... is .
  
  
• From: avr (@ 203.197.82.5) on: Sun Jan 13 04:11:15 EST 2002
  
  Naaz:
  
  U neednt make indirect references to me. (this is the 2nd time u have done so).You can still address whatever u want to say, to me directly. In any case, I am quite tired of this. May we agree to disagree and leave it at that???
  
  
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Jan 13 11:57:35 EST 2002
  
  No, the reference is not to you, AVR. I was thinking of someone by the name kirsh-something (you might have seen this person in the VJ thread early last year, I think) who sent me a nasty email- filled with denials,slurwords, and threats- when I mentioned the Mangeshkar Monopoly. I did not post their name as I don't fully recall it.
  We've (you and I) had our disagreement about it - and I am glad to leave it there. Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. And I am quite capable of mentioning you by name - so please spare me THAT tone of voice. I do have a spine, avr.
  
  
• From: unbiased (@ 12.89.130.161) on: Sun Jan 13 14:07:30 EST 2002
  
  AVR: Thats my opinion and I stand by my statement. Believe that I dont have to justify that.
  
  
  
• From: unbiased (@ 12.89.130.161) on: Sun Jan 13 14:09:00 EST 2002
  
  Naaz: I took your warnings under advisement. Hey..you have to ventilate your thoughts no matter what others thinks about it.
  
  
• From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.147) on: Sun Jan 13 15:26:16 EST 2002
  
  unbiased, who hatched the plot to suppress whom with SJ? Please.....please....out with it....cannot wait.
  w.r.t. Lata, I thought she was alright till around 78-79, after which, the deterioration in her singing/voice was rapid, probably aided by uninspiring compositions.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Jan 13 20:37:48 EST 2002
  
  Unbiased - keep ventilating your thoughts. I know you think before you post. That much is evident in all your utterances here...And believe me, that's a breath of fresh air!! (ventilate kanna ventilate!!)
  
  
• From: unbiased (@ 12.89.80.63) on: Sun Jan 13 21:02:01 EST 2002
  
  Observer: Its better not to visit the past as history will judge everyone. Well on the LM subject matter, I think after Pakeezah....you can feel the fine edges falling apart. Thats why I mentioned 70's....based on sound reasoning.
  
  
• From: unbiased (@ 12.89.80.63) on: Sun Jan 13 21:10:16 EST 2002
  
  Naaz: I rarely comment on something unless it catches my eye. But when something does, I try not to be a passive bystander. Thanks again for having faith in my utterances. You write something, because you believe in it. I write reviews in amazon.com for many new age, jazz and classical music including opera. My favorite artists include Jesye Norman, Renne Fleming, Cecila Bartoli and Maria Callas. Thats why you would most often see me comparing TFM female singers to them...though both singing styles are at the extremities, but subject to same rules for a mezzo-soprano.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Jan 13 21:56:22 EST 2002
  
  Ceclia Bartoli and Cassandra Wilson (in the current jazz genre) are truly gifted singers. Believing in something, and being able to contextualise it with evidence is a lack in a significant number of postings here. People equate Opinions with Criticism, and when asked for analysis they get all defensive and over-wrought in their explanations. I try to avoid controversies. I only addressed the "monopoly" issue because you pointed it out in one of your postings. I know what I believe in (and can susbstatiate my views without getting emotional or ingratiating like a star-struck hillybilly) and I try to voice it with clarity and credibility. But I don't ever try to defend the indefensible, and I am glad to say, like you, I can call a spade a spade, unflinchingly.
  Good to have you here, unbiased. As I said: Keep them coming!
  
  
• From: Neel D (@ 24.98.40.99) on: Sun Jan 13 22:30:49 EST 2002
  
  Naaz, unbiased and others,
  
  pAvam SJ. She sings one or two songs a year. Please leave her alone. There are many younger people in TFM who should be put in pAthAla Chirai.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Jan 13 22:38:43 EST 2002
  
  SJ - is a legend in her own right. Varusaththukku ini neenga (Neel D) sollra maadhiri onnu rendu sariya amaindha podhum...yedhukku andha-ammavukku ippadiyellam oru peraasai? I am glad you agree. About the current wave of new singers...Neel D, let's not go there!!!
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.134) on: Sun Jan 13 22:49:49 EST 2002
  
  Pakeezah
  
  Though this film eventually came out in the 70's its production actually started in 1956. The songs "Mousam Hai" and "ChalO dil daar chalO" were recorded arounded that time. One can easily see the difference in Lata's voice.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Jan 13 22:52:34 EST 2002
  
  Karthi - VJ has a song in Pakeezah - did you know that?
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.134) on: Sun Jan 13 23:03:23 EST 2002
  
  Janaki's voice actually became mature only in the 70's and it was I think no coincidence or rather by sheer divine design that she had her hay days starting then. Her voice was EXTRAORDINARY in the late 70's (eg., MalargaLE NaadhasurangaL, Engengo Sellum etc) and continued to be in its prime till around mid 80's. The latest songs of hers that I really would like to have are from Mauna Raagam. After that I think only a handful are memorable! Even though IR could have used her by giving her more suitable compositions, the credit goes to him for bringing out the best in her!
  
  
• From: Mr.Clean:)) (@ 63.21.181.210) on: Sun Jan 13 23:08:40 EST 2002
  
  oops... it must be
  "even though IR could have used her better by giving her more suitable compositions..."
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.210) on: Sun Jan 13 23:09:18 EST 2002
  
  No Naaz I didn't know that.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Sun Jan 13 23:10:22 EST 2002
  
  Naaz:
  
  LM was quite good in the 70s. Listen to "raina beeti jaaye" or "rato ke ssaye ghane" for example. I know her 50s songs and 60s songs are better than her 70s output. But one reason for that is the overall deterioration. For instance RDB,LP,KA are nowhere compared to Naushad,CR,AB ...
  
  After all, it was the MDs who wanted LM in the 70s, thats it. Naaz, you can definitely look up reviews of Parichay and Kinara and see that LMs singing therein was praised. (Since u believe the opinions of music critics have greater credibility due to their musical training etc etc.)
  
  Saying that 70s LM was ALL BAD, is blasphemy
  
  UNBIASED:
  I also wonder why you say "Janaki was no extraordinary singer". Even others have their opinions formed after careful listening. Stop calling everyone else who disgarees with u the slightest bit as an ignoramus.
  
  NAAZ:
  
  I am sorry that I felt it was me who you were referring to.
  
  MANY THANKS,
  (and I hope this thread does NOt degenerate into a fight)
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Sun Jan 13 23:24:12 EST 2002
  
  Naaz:
  
  Just some time ago in our Vj thread, u called the LM-SW duet in Prem Rog a gem.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Jan 13 23:54:38 EST 2002
  
  I did not say LM was intolerable in the 70s. I think LM/Rafi/Kishore were in their prime then (this has always been my view). Guide, Tere Mere Sapne, Mere Jeevan Saathi, Amar Prem, Sharmilee - are a few random titles that come instantly to mind. I think Lata was even good in Ram Teri Ganga Maili (Prem Rog was before that - and Yeh Galiyan Yeh Dobara...- was good and so was Meri Kismet Me Thu Nahin Shayad was also fine. I stand by those statements). Yes, the Lata of Sujata and Bandhini and Anupama and Anpadh was a younger and finer Lata...but. So - the statement to attribute to me, was not made by me. Unbiased is right in a way - and the reference (in his posting) is specifically to the mezzo aspect of Lata's earlier songs.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Jan 13 23:58:42 EST 2002
  
  Lata is not the Qu'ran or Bhagavad Gita or the Holy Bible. Blasphemy seems to be (to me) a slightly misplaced adjective in this case, AVR. Let's keep her and speak of her as a mortal. She is human, after all.
  
  
• From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.147) on: Mon Jan 14 00:59:06 EST 2002
  
  unbiased, forget about history judging people....intha mAthiri gossip vishayamellAm ippadi sollAma solli enthAn ippadi tholla paduththareengaLO :))
  
  SJ's voice matured in the mid/early 70s, underlined by the fact that MSV had started paying more attention (than he had before) to her (even before IR's advent). Examples....to refresh memories....'kaNNilE enna uNdu kaNgaL thAn ariyum', 'ippadi Or thAlAttu pAdavA', 'unnidaththil ennai koduththEn', 'kAtrukkenna vEli'...awesome numbers. The import here is not that she lacked class earlier, one is reminded of 'intha mandraththil Odi varum' where the delivery of the word 'Odi' in the pallavi is improvised upon beautifully time and again. I am a PBS fan myself, but here, I have to concede that it was a SJ dominated song alright. Another song that springs to mind, a duet with PS, "kAlaththai vendravan nee", composed by KVM. Great singing!!! In her hey days, the effortless ease with which brighas sprang forth from her vocal chords is IMO, unparalelled. I am not even considering her Kannada/Malayalam numbers here. As for 'Should SJ stop singing?', leave it to her :). The important point is whethere she still enjoys it all. We can opt not to listen to her :)
  
  
  

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