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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 7:Vingyaana/Naveena Karuthoottum Paadalgal

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Thu Aug 20 21:25:09 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan
Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just their Vingyaana/Naveena Karuthoottum Paadalgal for this thread.
Please provide the name of the song whose lines you excerpt and the name of the movie if known. Here are the symposium categories, the bold topics are yet to be discussed:
1)Iyarkai Varnanai
2)Kaadhal Paadalgal
3)Thaththuva Paadalgal
4)Vaarthai Prayoagam
5)Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal
6)Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal
7)Vingyaana/Naveena Karuthoottum Paadalgal
8)Ilakkiya Moolam Ulla Paadalgal
9)Kadhaikku Porundhiya Paadalgal(situational songs)
10)Kavidhai Milekarkal (Poetic Milestones that the poets will be remembered by!)

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Responses:

• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Thu Aug 20 21:38:25 EDT 1998
  
  Only four more, guys, after that I swear I won't start a Hanumaar Vaal symposium like this. Ayyo, thaniya polambaraenae, thaniyaa polambaraenae. Ayya Sathiya Keerthi, SATHIYA KEERTHI. Avar illai, vara maattar. . .
  
  Sari, thozhilukkr varalaam. For a change I'll open the bank with a Kannadhaasan song. Kannadhaasan beatifully connects his commentary on the human mind and human nature while listing the history of some modern inventions. A marvelous number.
  
  vandha naal mudhal indha naal varai
  vaanam maaravillai
  vaan madhiyum meenum kadal kaatrum
  malarum mannum kodiyum solaiyum
  nadhiyum maaravillai
  manidhan maarivittan
  
  oh oh oh ohohoho orre
  (whistle)
  nilai maarinaal gunam maaruvan
  poi needhiyum nermaiyum pesuvaan
  dhinam jaadhiyum bedhamum kooruvaan
  adhu vedhan vidhyendrodhuvaan
  
  Manidhan maarivittaan
  madhathil aerivittaan
  
  oh oh oh ohohohoorre
  ohohoh oh ohohohorrre
  
  (beautiful violin interlude)
  
  paravaiyai kandaan
  vimaanam padaithaan(2)
  paayum meengalil padaginai kandaan
  edhiroli kettan vaanoli padaithan
  edhanai kandaan madangalai padaithan(2)
  
  manidhan maarivittan
  madhathil aerivittaan
  
  oh oh oh ohohoho orre(2)
  
  (whistle)
  
  Inbamum kaadhalum iyarkkaiyin needhi
  aetra thazhvugal manindhanin jaadhi
  paaril iraivan padaithadhai ellam
  paavi manidhan pirithuvaithanae
  
  manidhan maarivittan
  madhathil aerivittan
  
  Vandha naal mudhal...
  
  Lyrics ubayam "Ramki".
  
  
• From: Mano (@ gaff152.watstar.uwaterloo.ca) on: Thu Aug 20 21:38:42 EDT 1998
  
  Uhaya:
  Neenga Intha Kelviyee ketta Vendia thillai? Listen most of the new songs such as Nilave Vaa, Kathal Mannan etc. VM has done outstanding job on putting Naveena(???) Karuthootum Paadalgal Niraiya Ezhuthi Ullar.
  
  
• From: Mano (@ gaff152.watstar.uwaterloo.ca) on: Thu Aug 20 21:46:20 EDT 1998
  
  Oops, Sorry:
  Udhaya, I mispelled your name. I'm sorry. I was in a hurry.
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Aug 21 18:02:47 EDT 1998
  
  Since, Kanchana is busy I'm doing more cut and paste service to her Scientific explanation. Amar's posting is also excerpted below from an old discussion. I have, again, edited these for brevity.
  From: Kanchana (@ ww-tl05.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Jan 21 09:36:27 EST 1998
  Song: Poo kodiyin Punnagai; Film: IRuvar
  neela niRam izhandhu vittAl
  vAnil oru koorai illai
  sooriyanai izhandhu vittAl
  kizhakkukkoru thilagam illai
  nee oru muRai thirumbik koNdAl
  en uyirukku uRudhi illai
  I'm sure the meaning is clear to you now. My interpretation of the analogy of the blue sky bit:
  We all know the blue color of the sky during daytime (and the reds during sunrise/sunsets) is caused by Rayleigh's Scattering phenomenon. But that blue color gives a perception of finiteness to the reality of an infinite Universe beyond our thin atmosphere. So, the heroine is saying the hero offers her what the sky's color offers to the blue planet's inhabitants--emotional security.
  
  If you have a different interpretation, that's welcome as always.
  
  From: Amar (@ worf.qntm.com) on: Wed Jan 21 11:35:22 EST 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  I think your explanation is correct because I was thinking along the same lines.
  
  Neelam yenrillai, entha coloril vaanam irunthirunthaalum, athu namakku meiley Vaanam oru closing lid maathiri, oru koorai poala iruppathaagal nammai yenna vaikkirathu. Like you aptly said, "giving a finiteness to the infinite Universe". Appadi yentha colorum illaamal, vaanam transparentaaga irunthirunthaal, namaukku meiley oru closed "something" iruppathaaga nammaal ninaikkamudiyaathu.
  So, Vaanam "neela" niramaaga iruppathaalum, antha "neelaniram" vaanam oru koorai poala iruppathaaga oru perception namakku koduppathaalum, antha "neelaniram" poivittaal, Vaanam transparent aagividhum, namakku "koorai"yum marainthuvidhum yenbathai, Vairamuthu azhagaaga:
  neela niRam izhandhu vittAl,
  vAnil oru koorai illai
  yenru ezhuthiyullaar.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Aug 21 18:59:37 EDT 1998
  
  More Vingyaanam by VM (VMgyaanam):
  
  Song: Kannum Kannum; Film: Thiruda Thiruda
  kadalai vaanam kollai adiththaal
  megam endrae arththam
  . . .
  paarkadal ponginaal
  vaanil pournami endru arththam
  
  Song: Siththirai Nilavu; Film: Vandhichcholai Sinraasu
  nilaavinil kaatrae illai
  
  Song: Eeramaana Rojaavae; Film: Ilamai Kaalangal
  thanneeril moozhgaathu kaatrulla pandhu
  
  
• From: Vasudevan (@ smartworks.com) on: Fri Aug 21 20:36:08 EDT 1998
  
  I remember the ever-green "PonMalai Pozhuthu" from the movie Nizhalgal. Vairamuthu has elgently narrated the beauty of sunset.
  
  "Pon Malai Pozhuthu"
  
  "Idhu Oru Pon Malai Pozhuthu"
  
  "Vana magal, Nanugiral. Veru Udai Poonugiral"
  
  "Idhu Oru Pon Malai Pozhuthu"
  
  
  "Ayiram Nirangal Jalamidum"
  "Rathiri Vasalili Olamidum"
  "Vaanam Nilavukku Palamidum"
  "Padum Paravigal Thalamidum"
  "Poomarangal, Samarangal Veesatho.."
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: vasudevan (@ smartworks.com) on: Fri Aug 21 20:48:34 EDT 1998
  
  Sorry Udaya
  I posted a more general song of Variamuthu.
  
  Sorry again.
  
  Here is a Song "Pa..." (I don't remember the movie name)
  
  "Kodi Asainthaum Katru Vandhatha..? Katru Vandathm Kodi Asainthatha ?
  
  "Nilavu Vandadum Malar Malarthadha ? Malar Malarnthadhum Nilavu Vandadha"
  
  "Ragam Vandhadum Thalam Vandhatha ? Thalam Vandhadum Ragam Vandhatha"
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Aug 21 21:07:21 EDT 1998
  
  Vasudevan, it's okay-pa, you must be new to the DF, welcome. Make sure you check out the abbreviations section to brief yourself and enter your intro in the Intro page. "Kodi asaindhadhum" is very appropriate for this thread. It questions nature's interdependance, its origin in a very poetic manner.
  
  
• From: Mano (@ gaff148.watstar.uwaterloo.ca) on: Fri Aug 21 21:19:39 EDT 1998
  
  Naveena Karuthkal by VM:
  
  "Nee Kaatru naan Maram
  Enna Sonnalum Thalaiyaatuven"
  From Nilave Vaa..
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate4.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Mon Aug 24 13:26:55 EDT 1998
  
  KaNNadhasanin innoru paadal.
  idhai thathuvam, vigyanam, Samudha/Puratchi paadalaga koLLalaam.
  
  ondru engaL jathiyE... paadalil
  
  aadhimanidhan kallai eduththu vettai aadinaan
  adutha manithan kattai azhiththu N-aataai akkinaan
  mattrum oruvan maaNNai thoNdi ponnaith thEdinaan
  N-ettru manithan vaanil therai ottinaan
  indru manithan vENilavil idaththaith thedinaan
  varum N-aaLai manithan ezhulagai aaLap pogiraan...
  
  idhai vida vigyaanathai eLimaiyaga yaaralum sollamudiyadhu. KaNNadhasanukku Fax, satellite, Internet, Computer, etc.... edhuvum theriyadhu. Andraiya N-attu N-adappai vaiththu evvaLavu azhagaaga solli irukkiraar.
  
  vandha N-aaL mudhal.... is the classical example of Thathuva Vigyaanam.:):):)
  
  kaNNadhasanukku vaaLaindhu N-eLindhu pogum padhai Mangai Mega kundhalaga therindhadhu...
  
  VM-kkO oru pEN Fax-il vandha pEN kavidhaiyai,
  bike-il vandha N-andha vanamaai, packet size vENilavai.... thondrukiradhu.:):)!!!!
  
  
  mENdum saththippOm.
  
  
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-1.cisco.com) on: Mon Aug 24 15:18:34 EDT 1998
  
  kaviyarasarin vigyaana/navEEna karuththuch seRivumikka pAdalgaL sila:
  
  Oru sarAsari manithanin AthangamAy olikkum pachchai viLakku pAdal varigaL:
  
  vAnaththil ERi chandiramaNdala vAsalaith thodalAmA..
  mANdu kidakkum manithanin mEni maRupadi ezhalAmA..
  
  mazhalaigaLukku aRivOOttum innoru aRputhap pAdal, sAnthi nilaiyam padaththil varum ippAdal:
  
  bOOmiyil iruppathum vAnaththil paRappathum
  avaravar eNNangaLE..
  puthupputhu uyarangaL pOyvarum eNNangaL
  avaravar uLLangaLE..
  nenjil thuNivirunthAl nilavukkum pOyvaralAm..
  :
  :
  ulagam pOginRa vEgam
  uruvamum inimEl mARum
  nadakkum kathaigaLaip pArththAl
  namakkE siRagugaL muLaikkum
  rashyargaL anuppiya thOOthu
  raakket enbathu pEru
  sishyargaL anuppiya kOOdu
  vAnaththil theriyuthu pAru..
  
  vigyAnaththaik koNdu samOOgak karuthOOttum innoru pAdalil (from soorya kAnthi) kaviyarasar niyAyamAna kELvi onRu kEtkiRAr:
  
  vaNdi Oda sakkarangaL iraNdu mattum pOthum
  antha iraNdi onru siRiyathenRAl entha vaNdi Odum..
  
  One more VM's song in this category is: chandiranaith thottathu yAr Arm strong-A
  
  More later..
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-1.cisco.com) on: Mon Aug 24 15:20:15 EDT 1998
  
  closing italics
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-tf011.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Aug 24 16:06:50 EDT 1998
  
  closing italics
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-te051.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Aug 24 23:31:12 EDT 1998
  
  The following by VM from anbE anbE may count as being futuristic:
  azhagiya nilavil
  oxygen nirappi
  angE namakkoru veedu seivEn
  
  One from kaNNadhAsan from pre-Armstrong days(?):
  vAnaththil ERi
  chandhira maNdala
  vAsalaith thodalAmA
  
  Udhaya--FYI:
  For the next topic "ilakkiya moolam uLLa pAdalgaL", it may be easier if you can just include the URL for "Bringing ilakkiyam to pAmaran" thread in your intro. It is a complete research thread we invested time into, includes only Kannadhasan and VM, doesn't need us to cut & paste like we did in the "samudhAyam" thread. We can just add to what already exists in that thread.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Aug 25 15:16:56 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana, it's scary you mention that, because I had the very same idea for the next thread. Consider it done. Pagalavan, Prakash, I envy both your memory.
  
  

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