Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)
"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."
Wow! Beautiful voice!
Neel's VJ Songs
Responses:
- Old responses
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.171)
on: Mon Aug 19 02:23:55 EDT 2002
MS, thank you for the encouragement.
Neel, wow! great that you have given the lyrics and background information of this rare song. Yes, I too heard the song only once, when I saw the film on TV ages ago- but I do remember the suspense-filled music after the pallavi.
OISG- thanks for the inputs. Do you remember any other songs from Ungalil Oruthi?
Some more films in SPM-MSV combo- Pokkiri Raja and Ammavum Neeye Appavum Neeye. I think Kudumbam oru kadhambam was also directed by SPM, though story, dialogues etc were by Visu.
- From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219)
on: Mon Aug 19 05:48:31 EDT 2002
Saravanan,
1.I have seen your habit of covering other (Non-VJ)songs as well in a film , for the sake of completion! In line with this tradition, pl. read the following:
The 'Mohini' girl Aparna in 'Thunive Thunai' is
found by Jai much later in Raja sulochana's den and how! She and several others dance glamourously in the " Mehbooba" type den song (LRE and chorus perhaps)
" Kallil neereduppOm! Kaatril naareduppOm!..... Sattamundu, thittamundu, engaLukku mattum undu!" (as the whole crowd is above law!). I remember, those were the days when the entire hall used to clap and whistle when 'Isai-Ilaiyaraja' comes on screen! The first 45 minutes of "Thunive Thunai" remains unbeaten even today!
2.'iRaivan ulagathai padaithaanaam’ has some beautiful leftist questions which will remain unanswered till the universe ends!
'iRaivan ulagathai padaithaanaam! Aezhmaiyai avanthaan padaiththaana?.......Iru vErulagam undenRaal iRaivan enbavan edhaRkaaga?'
- From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67)
on: Mon Aug 19 06:24:18 EDT 2002
Cinema Virumbi,
I refrained from adding my two bits but I can't hold back any longer.
The whole song is excellent sung with apt feeling of sadness by KJY
Ponnagai annintha maaligail punagai izhandha mann kudisai
pasi vara ange maathiraigal pattiniyaal ingu yaathiraigal
iru verulagam idhuvenraal iraivaan enbavan edharkaaga.
this was one of the rare good moments in the movie nagesh had gone on better on Gulzar's performance as a leftist poet. But otherwise the movie was forgetable - Kalkandu had rather too harshly compared sivaji to Parangimalai to amitabh's Imayamalai but the fact is this was a dud only to be surpassed by my Favourite MDs Amara Kaviyam when an even older Sivaji played out Sikanhar( Amitabh's Muqaddar ka sikandhar) to spectacularly disastrous effect. There was a hollow feeling in the stomach as I walked away from the gory mess of a movie. Till now I do not know why MSV made the movie & having made it the way he did why he released it on the suspecting public. suspecting because i saw the movie with about thirty odd people in the theatre.
sorry for the digression. but the memory came flooding back and my spine shudders even now.
- From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152)
on: Mon Aug 19 06:45:59 EDT 2002
Right Vengayam
Even the songs other than "selvame" were no good.Except for kalaikoil Visu made it a point to produce stupid movies...Mangala Vadiyam,Silk..Silk..Silk,Police Police,Amarakaviyam etc
Leftist poet was played by Raza Murad i think.
- From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.244)
on: Mon Aug 19 07:21:45 EDT 2002
Why, OISG- VJ's 'Idhayam Pesinaal unnidam ennadhaan pesumo' is a great song from Amarakaaviyam.
C V and Vengayam- I agree wholeheartedly with you- 'Iraivan ulagathai' is a masterpiece.
Speaking of Sivaji doing Amitabh's roles- another horror was Sandhippu (Naseeb)!
C V, Reg. Thunive Thunai, I seem to vaguely remember a TMS-SPB & co song from it- Can you recollect?
- From: Rgpm Sundar (@ 61.11.81.243)
on: Mon Aug 19 07:24:27 EDT 2002
Saravanan,
Thunivey thunai MSV-VJ song pallavi goes like..Agaayathil thottil katti ..(not kattum)...eerie Charukesi number a la Hemant's Bees saal baad no.Kahin deep jale... Similar tunes by MSV Azhaikkindren(Aayiram jenmangal with SJ) and Kungumakkolangal kovil kondaada (Annan oru kovil).Interesting indeed. Agree?
- From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219)
on: Mon Aug 19 07:43:16 EDT 2002
Saravanan,
I remember two Jaishankars in 'Thunive Thunai' (though in the end one of them discloses himself as a dummy, a police officer colleague wearing the mask of Jai!) singing one challenge song " Neeya Naanaa paarkkalaam!" It starts something like " achcham endRum thodangaathu! Aanmai endRum nadungaathu .... etc.,"
- From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152)
on: Mon Aug 19 07:52:49 EDT 2002
It is Acham ennai nerungathu
Yarai kandum mayangathu - I will meet your challenge
Sattam enthan udalodu dharmam endhan seyalodu
I will meet your challenge.
CV
Neey naana paarkalam is from Andru Sindhiya Ratham i think.
The song goes like
Neeya Nana Paarkalam
Entha kaatilum periyathu Vengai
Athai kaatilum periyavan vedan
Kallai kondu oorai vellum mmoda
Villum ambum enge undu vada
- From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50)
on: Tue Aug 20 08:49:48 EDT 2002
Neel D, Is there a problem with the site? I get a "Forbidden. You don't have permission to access.." if I click on any song.
- From: Neel D (@ 24.98.42.169)
on: Tue Aug 20 09:19:02 EDT 2002
s0,
The links to songs have been disabled so people can access the interview without any traffic jam. Please wait a few more days.
- From: susi (@ 216.209.200.18)
on: Tue Aug 20 15:52:35 EDT 2002
Have anyone heard the following song by Vani and SPB music SG Movie???
Mangala Kungumam Mangayin Sangamam Mannaven Marbinil Sangamam Aghum nelle ithu nalle
- From: Neel D (@ 24.98.42.169)
on: Tue Aug 20 23:38:09 EDT 2002
susi, where were you all these days? As usual, you have come back with another song I have never heard.
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.167)
on: Wed Aug 21 00:46:09 EDT 2002
susi,
thats among my favourite SPB-VJ-SG songs too. I love the way VJ continues with 'Kalyaana sangeetham kannale nee paadu oooo'- its from the film 'Theerpu en kaiyil' -1984, stg: Vijayakanth & Sashikala.
C V and OISG, thanks a lot for the 'Thunivey Thunai' inputs- now you have identified two other songs from it- it does give a sense of completion!
Thank you.
- From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219)
on: Wed Aug 21 07:04:17 EDT 2002
Friends,
Another Hindi film messed up in Tamil was Gulzar's immortal classic "Mausam"! (Sanjiv Kumar & Sharmila Tagore in Hindi vs Sivaji & Sripriya in Tamil) I don't remember the name but have read somewhere that it was bogged down with so many problems and finally got released in whatever shape it had taken! It, of course, sank without a trace!
- From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.244)
on: Wed Aug 21 07:22:24 EDT 2002
C V, that was 'Vasanthathil Or Naal', which finally saw the light of the day in 1982. It changed hands many times while in the making, and was finally completed by veteran AC Thirulogachander. Sripriya had given a creditable performance in the dual role- while Sivaji was simply gruesome.
MSV's Vendum Vendum undhan uravu- SPB-VJ- remains the golden lining in this dark cloud- evokes nostalgia for music of that kind- Dil doondthaa hai phir wohi fursath ke raath din!
- From: susi (@ 216.209.200.18)
on: Wed Aug 21 08:24:56 EDT 2002
Hi Neel,
I was away on vacation travelling around america and europe with my husband.
- From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152)
on: Wed Aug 21 09:54:22 EDT 2002
Cinema Virumbi
We have had some exchanges on this remake-messing business sometime back where i had listed and commented about messing up on either side (particularly the songs).AVR,Sriram Lakshmanan too contributed to this thread.
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.166)
on: Wed Aug 21 10:38:15 EDT 2002
1976- concluding VJ’s songs for MSV:
62. Avaley en kaadhali- Perum Pugazhum- SPB- MSV
The film had Muthuraman and Sujatha in the lead. It has Sujatha hankering after fame and glory, which leads to disastrous consequences for her. I particularly remember the scenes where Muthuraman, who is going on tour, telling his wife Sujatha, who is carrying their first child, not to step out of the house while he’s away. Then, Manorama comes and coaxes Sujatha to attend a public meeting, telling her of the wide publicity she would receive. Sujatha is tempted and goes there. Alas, there’s a wild stampede on the stage, and Sujatha is injured and also suffers a miscarriage.
Other good songs in the film were the famous KJY solo ‘Thaane thanakkul’ and ‘Nalla perodu’-SPB,PS.
I vaguely remember another pair also in the film- perhaps this song features them?
SPB: Avaley en kaadhali!
Kodi neerukulley malar meley,
Penn kuliththadhu thamarai poley,
Naan neerai pirandhirundhaalum, inneram ennenavo--
VJ: Avaney en kaadhalan!
Nadai medayiley vizhi ingey
Avan nadagam paarpathu engey
Avan neerai pirandhirundhaalum, inneram ennennavo—
VJ: Thaalaattum pillai ondru, Selaattam pennai kandu
Vaalattum ennam enna-ilayo,malaro,kaniyo?
SPB: Paal vaasam sindhum chinna papavin ullam indru
Poovasam kondathenna, adhuvo,idhuvo, edhuvo?
SPB: Thottaalum ottikollum pattaana velli kannam
ettaamal seivathenna inamo,kulamo,bhayamo?
VJ: Peraasai vellam vandhu poraadum pothum penngal
Thaai veedu thandha selvam-acham,naanam,vetkam!
From the lyrics, it is apparent that she is a bathing beauty(!) and he is wishing fervently that he should have been the lucky water!!!
The opening music immediately after SPB’s declaration of ‘Avaley en kaadhali’ and again after VJ’s assertion ‘Avaney en kaadhalan’ is something which only MSV could have created.
Again the music which leads from the charanam back to the pallavi is wonderful. Hark at VJ stress pointedly on ‘ingey’ and ‘angey’ in the repetition of ‘Nadai medayile’ and again her ‘Acham, naanam vetkam’’- Charmingly romantic!
63. Aaramba kaalam- Payanam- KJY- MSV
(Duets 3 page 1)
I know only the songs from this film- whom did it star? (Ravichandran?) Where was the payanam to?
Other songs forming part of this journey were ‘Thendralukku endrum vayathu’-SPB, ‘Payanam payanam’-MSV and ‘Naatukku kaval’- SPB.
KJY: Aaramba kaalam oru pakka thaalam
adhuthaan kaadhal panpaadu
VJ: Aanappinnaley iruppakka melam
adhuthaan vaazhkkai anbodu
KJY: Devamirudham-thenidhazhgal,devargal illai naan vandhen
VJ: Maarbin agalam kundrangal, malargal illai naan vandhen
KJY: Manjal meniyil thendral pattu anjakkandu naan vandhen
VJ: Maalaigal yendhu, mangala chaandhu, maarbinil neendhu, ennaye thandhen—
KJY: Nadagamedai thirai illai, nayagi vandhaal kavi paadi
VJ: Nayagiyudane thunai illai, nayagan vandhaan thunai thedi
KJY: Minnal roja ponnil oori kaiyil vandhadhu uravaadi
VJ: Kannan-Radha, Raman-Seetha, vandhaar ingey nammai thedi—
VJ stamps her elegant touches all over- the humming in the pallavi, the enchanting variations in the repetition of ‘anbodu’’ (especially in the fade out in the end), and the humming along KJY’s ‘Nadagamedai’---
64. Pazhathottam en thottam - Uzhaikkum Karangal- MSV
Uzhaikkum Karangal had MGR,Latha, Kumari Padmini and various others. I saw it as a child, and remember not being able to accept Thangavelu as a diabolical villain!
The film was produced by Kovai Sezhiyan and directed by K Shankar.
As is usual in even the worst MGR film, the songs were good- Naalai ulagai aala vendum-KJY & MSV, Vaaren vazhi paarthiruppen- TMS & TK Kala and Aadiya paadhangal ambalathil-PS are all memorable songs.
From the lyrics, it seems here the heroine is warding off birds from her orchard- a type of ‘Aalolam’ song- with the usual ‘chO’ in between—tfm has many such ‘aalolam’ songs- PA Periyanayaki in SriValli, PS in Kandan karunai and SJ in Deiva thirumanangal have all sung to ward off birds from eating up the crops – but Uzhaikkum Karangal was not a mythological tale- so VJ gets to sing a social “Aalolam’’ and in the process of warning off the parrots and sparrows, also shots off some political arrows!! (on behalf of the Puratchi Thalaivar, of course!)
She starts off advising the birds initially--
Kani thedum kili inamey,
Kadhai sollum kuyil inamey,
Aduthavarin porul meedhu aasai vaikka koodathu--,
-- and progresses to preach to mankind as well:
Adhigaaram varumpothu thavaraadha manam vendum
Thalai kanangal vandhaale, thaan veezhum nilai thondrum,
Dhinam uzhaippathu podhu udamai, nam udal idhu thani udamai,
Nalla aalena pereduthal, adhu avaravar guna nilamai—
Vidhai thoova nilam thevai, puvi aala madhi thevai
Akiramam nee seithaal, adhai ketkkum aal thevai
Naan thunivulla ilamangai, ennai thodubavar yaar ingey,
Vizhi asaivugal kavi paadum, adhu aayiram porul koorum!
(I am not sure of the lyrics- please point out any errors!)
65. Kandhanukku maalaiyittaal- Uzhaikkum Karangal- MSV
A lovely, pathos filled song, with lyrics soaked with meaning- Can any one explain the situation- Did Kumari Padmini feature in this song? It appears that she has sacrificed her love and laments her loss-
Kandhanukku malaiyittaal, kaanagathu Valli mayil
Kalyana kolathiley kavithai sonnaal kaadhal kuyil
Sokkarudan Meenatchi sokki nikkum thirukkaatchi
Kaanavandha kangal rendum, kaadhalukku oru saatchi
Poovodu pottum thandhen, oru poovaikku vaazhvu thandhen,
Salangai kattum illathiley, thaali kattum nadakka kanden,
Devanai thedi sendren-Deviyudan avanirundhaan,
Veenayudan naanirundhen, vidhiyai enni paadugindren!
Both the Veenai and Vani touch your heart, not just your ears—
The song opens with the veenai- the sorrow drenched notes highlighting the mood- Vani sets off on a pathos pilgrimage- whilst her repetition of ‘kalyana kolathiley’ is particularly moving, her hushed sobs after ‘thaali kattum veetiniley’ are a study in dignified suffering.
The strings of the veenai tug at your heartstrings throughout- more so in the end- Don’t miss VJ’s soft and poignant ‘Kandhanukku malaiyittaal’ in the end.
A gem of a song by MSV, VJ and Muthulingam!
An interesting anecdote, in this connection-
This was the first song which Muthulingam wrote for a MGR film. When the situation for this song was explained to him, Muthulingam wrote 4 different pallavis. MSV set all the 4 to 4 different mettus. While MSV,VJ and Muthulingam felt that the lyrics and the music were the best for the pallavi beginning with ‘Aandavan sannithiyil’, Kovai Sezhiyan insisted on ‘Kandhanukku malaiyittaal’ and he had his way in the end.
Tailpiece: Before you start wondering on how the discarded ‘Aandavan sannithiyil’ would have sounded, let me relate that it was the mettu which MSV composed for ‘Aandavan sannithiyil’, which he used for ‘Naadhamenum kovililey’ , again by VJ, which we are going to dwell on next—
66. Naadhamenum kovililey- Manmatha Leelai- MSV
(Solos page 1)
KB’s film (based, perhaps on Burt Reynolds’ ‘The Man who loved Women’ )on a compulsive womaniser, who makes philandering an art- played with zeal by Kamal. The bevy of beauties ranged from Aalam to Jayapradha, with Y Vijaya playing the ‘Wrong Number’ cameo.
MSV, as usual, came out with stunning scores- ‘Manaivi amaivathellaam’-KJY, ‘Hello my dear wrong number’-KJY,LRE, ‘ Sugam thaana sollu kanney’-SPB,PS, ‘Manmadha leelai’-SPB, ‘Fatfatfatfat fat fadafat- Netroru Menakai’-AV Ramanan- all becoming immensely popular.
However, the pick of the lot is easily VJ’s ‘Naadham’- The song remains a treasured masterpiece in her portfolio.
Naadhamennum kovililey
gynaana vilakketri vaithen
Etri vaitha vilakkiniley
ennai vida nee kidaithaai
Isaiyum enakkisayum
Dhinam en manam thaan athil asayum,
Karamum undhan siramum
Nee asaithaai, naan isaithen
Vilayey enakkilaye
dhinam verunkathai aanadhu kalaiye
Nilaye solli unaye
naan azhaithen uyir pizhaithen
Iraivan, ena Oruvan
Enadhisayil mayangida varuvaan
Rasigan endra peyaril
Indru Avan thaan unnai koduthaan-
-A lovely, lovely song! Vani’s pedigree comes out glittering, as she bestows upon this light classical song her own brand of seemingly simple, but actually intricate touches, which add splendour to this already splendid MSV creation.
What an alluring alaap the song commences with- before we loose ourselves in it, we have to forcibly remind ourselves that this is just the hors d’ oeuvre, and the main course is yet to follow!
Hark at pronunciation-conscious VJ say ‘eNNai’, listen to her Ma da ni sa—swaraplay in the 1st and 3rd interludes, hear her humming in the 2nd, gasp at her gamakas throughout-
Long after the song is over, you still sit as though in a trance, Vani is still lingering in you-
Ungal karamum siramum asaindhukkonde irukkum- Vani isaindhukkonde iruppaar!
67. Sabalam, salanam- Oh, Manju!- MSV
I guess this must have been by MSV- please confirm.
Sridhar’s disastrous film, in which Master Shekhar and Kavitha made their debut as the lead pair. I have not had the opportunity of seeing it- but I haven’t missed much, going by what little I’ve heard of it.
Another good song from it is ‘Ulagam oru kavithai’ by KJY & PS.
Can the unfortunate people who have seen this film shed some light on this song’s situation? Going by the lyrics, I am inclined to sum up the substance as ‘Endha kuzhandhaiyum nalla kuzhndhai thaan mannil pirakkayile, pin nallavar aavadhum theeyavar aavathum annai valarpathile’ – (to borrow the words from ‘Neethikku thalai vanangu’)- The heroine puts the blame for her wretched state on her bad upbringing-
Sabalam, salanam, mayakkam, kuzhappam-
Ellam paramparai pazhakkam
Periya manithargal siriya ninaippinil vizhundhu viduvathendraal
Siriya kuzhandhaigal periya ninaippinil valarndhu viduvadhundu—
Vidhai thane chedi aagum, verenna aagum
Nilam pola neer kooda niram maarippogum
Ragangal bedhangal aanaal, paadalgal anandam aagumo?
Aadum thottil, aadum pothu kuzhandhai nadappathillai,
Annai thandhai nadaiyai paarthu, nadakka marapathillai!
Kannadi thavaraanaal mugam maarippogum,
Kann paarvai thavaraanaal manam maarippogum
Paathiram nanjena aanaal, paalum nanjena aagume-
Indha vayathil vizhundha ennam endrum marapathillai
Thannai unarum kaalam varaiyil, ethuvum purivathillai!
A sad lesson for all parents.
VJ doesn’t overdo the melancholy, and each rendition of Sabalam, salanam is delightfully different!
That, I think, rounds off VJ’s songs for the Mellisai Mannar in 1976. What wonderful songs he gave her, ranging from ‘Kannan kovil paravai idhu’ to ‘Sabalam—salanam’!
- 1976, to continue with other MDs-
- From: vijay (@ 208.61.227.242)
on: Wed Aug 21 11:10:08 EDT 2002
Saravanan,I had requested earlier in this thread on whether you (along with manisegaran, Naaz etc. if possible) could sort of cover all the notable albums of MSV right from the 50s till the early 80s. I dont think we even have a complete filmography of MSV anywhere. Those I have seen are incomplete.
We can revive the "Creativity of MSV" thread from the archives for this purpose.
List all pages of this thread
Post comments
Sections:
Home -
TFM Magazine -
Forum -
Wiki -
POW -
oPod -
Lyrics -
Pictures -
Music Notes -
Forums: Current Topics - Ilayaraja Albums - A.R. Rahman Albums - TFM Oldies - Fun & Games
Ilaiyaraja: Releases - News - Share Music - AR Rahman: Releases - News - AOTW - Tweets -
Discussions: MSV - YSR - GVP - Song Requests - Song stats - Raga of songs - Copying - Tweets
Database: Main - Singers - Music Director's - Lyricists Fun: PP - EKB - Relay - Satires - Quiz
Forums: Current Topics - Ilayaraja Albums - A.R. Rahman Albums - TFM Oldies - Fun & Games
Ilaiyaraja: Releases - News - Share Music - AR Rahman: Releases - News - AOTW - Tweets -
Discussions: MSV - YSR - GVP - Song Requests - Song stats - Raga of songs - Copying - Tweets
Database: Main - Singers - Music Director's - Lyricists Fun: PP - EKB - Relay - Satires - Quiz