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thiraippAdalgaLil samudhAyak karuththukkaL

Topic started by Kanchana (@ ww-tp05.proxy.aol.com) on Sun Apr 19 11:41:09 EDT 1998.
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TFM boasts of several contemporary poets like Bharadhidhasan, Pattukkottai Kalyanasundaram, Kannadhasan and Vali (Version I) who penned several songs dealing with social issues such as work ethic (uzhaippu), labor rights, women's position in society, religion, caste, patriotism/ nationalism, money/power/greed and the such. In addition, non-film kavidhaigaL from Bharadhi and Bharadhidhasan have been included in TFM to heighten social awareness.
Let's go ahead and discuss some of these songs--old and new--which address some key social issues even as they were entertaining the masses in the context of the movie situation. Please elaborate on the lyrics and your thoughts on the same as your time would allow.

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• From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Fri Apr 24 13:39:29 EDT 1998
  
  
  Just an FYI .....
  
  Anybody want to know how many Old Responses
  buttons to press in order to go to the
  beginning of the topic it is 13 times as of now :-))
  
  
  
• From: shyam (@ 192.147.35.56) on: Fri Apr 24 16:14:41 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  
  thunkikettu irukira manathai ezuppi, "unnal mutiyum" enRu oruthar sonna -- kavalayaana neerathilE konjam aaruthala irukum -- uukathaiyum kodukkum.
  
  1. Satya sonna nalla thoor veenai seytheen (Ezaavathu manithan Version is the best)
  
  2. thoolvi nilayenna ninaithaal manithan vaazvai -- Umai vizikaL
  
  3. akaram ippo sigaram aachi thagaram pippoo thanga aachi -- sikaram
  
  4. vaaza ninaithaal vaazalaam vaziyaa illai boomiyil --
  
  5. achamillai achammillai -- Ezaavathu manithan
  
  6. manathil uruthi veendum -- sinthu bhairavi
  
  7. manithan enbavan theivamaakalaam -- kavalai illatha manithan
  
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  Manisekaran -- neenga ezuthiyirukira "Maruthakaasi" paalgallE "Siripavar sila peer" thavira mathathellam ipppa thaan muthal murayaga paarkireen romba nalla karuthukaLai sollikkuraku -- thanks
  
  kanchana,
  
  Neenga sonna point "samooga sEvaikkum seerthiruththaththiRkum manam irundhAl mArkkam
  uNdu" Correct. But Are we doing? Sorry unngalai thaakalai generalla keekirEn.
  
  Satya :
  
  nama discuss pannathellam Cinemavilla vantha Bharathi songs Why don't we find some "Lines" from his pokkisham.
  
  enga appa kaalathilE avar schoolilE kaalayil paada solkira "kadavul vazththu" paadal.
  
  kanapathi raayan avanudai kaalaippitithiduvoom
  kunam uyarnthitavE vituthalai kuri maginthituvoom
  
  sollukankathE parasakthi suura thangkaL ellam
  vallamai thanthituvaaL parasakthi vaazi enRe thuthippom.....
  
  appa (1950) panchayat union, kiraama seevakar veelaikku sErumpoothu interviewvil keeta keeLvi
  
  unakku Bharathiyar kuyil paatu/pappa paatu theriuma?
  
  intha thread romba interestingaga pookuthu. Manisekaran/Satya unngoloda kaLnjjiyathilee inrudu porkaasukaLai aLLi vIsunga.
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-ta04.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Apr 24 16:44:19 EDT 1998
  
  Bhaskar & Shyam:
  Re your following comments:
  "ungaL vizhippuNarchchi mikka varigaLukku nandRi."
  "thoongikkoNdu iruppavargaLai ezhuppi unnAl mudiyumnu sonnAl ookkaththaik kodukkum".
  "solgiRom, seyya mudiyumaa?"
  
  I'm saying this, as I said, based on personal experience only: engaLAl mudigiRadhu, ungaLAlum mudiyum--ungaLukku manamirundhAl. Bharadhi kaNda kanavai niRaivEtra avar kooRiyapadi manadhil uRudhiyum, vAichollil veerarandRi seyalilum veerarAga irundhAl pOdhum. avvaLavE! Good luck! :)
  
  Let's continue the discussion on the social principles from the kaNNadhAsan-vAli era while we continue to share the thoughts provoked by some of these songs....
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-ta06.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Apr 25 09:27:31 EDT 1998
  
  Corrections and additions to my posting of April 24, 11:47:
  yAdhum oorE yAvarum kELir was penned by kalaiyan poongundRanAr, not Bharadhi as I'd mentioned. Apologies.
  
  Manisekaran:
  Thank you for taking the time to educate us on Marudhakasi's background and contributions. I, like several others here, was not very familiar with this lyricist's works until I read your posting.
  
  Will be back to discuss kaNNadhAsan-vAli era songs later..
  
  
• From: Test (@ ww-tb02.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Apr 25 23:29:09 EDT 1998
  
  Test Post.
  
  
• From: Test (@ ww-tb02.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Apr 26 16:31:37 EDT 1998
  
  Test
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-ti04.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Apr 26 16:50:38 EDT 1998
  
  kaNNadhAsan does not need much of an introduction to our generation.
  In contrast to several poems we've seen previously in this thread, kaNNadhAsan's kavidhaigaL seem to have a personal, emotional touch which a common man can relate to.
  
  On Living:
  I'd talked earlier about Bharadhi's idea of what a good life is, expressed so well in his kaaNi nilam vENdum. kaNNadhAsan's ideal everyday-life expressed below is quite similar: materialism in moderation, true friendship, true love, thamizhp patRu, patriotism, public service if possible, world peace. Movie: Shanthi.
  nAdu kAkka vEndum mudindhAl nanmai seiyya vENdum
  kEdu seyyum manadhaik kiLLi veesa ENdum
  thamizhum vAzha vENdum manidhan tharamum vAzha vENdum
  amaidhi engum vENdum Asai aLavu kANa vENdum
  
  kAtRu veesa vENdum peNgaL kAdhal pEsa vENdum
  kAdhal pEsum peNgaL vAzhvil kavidhai Aga vENdum
  mAnam kAkka vENdum peNNai madhiththu vAzha vENdum
  uNmai naNbar vENdum iruvar oruvarAga vENdum
  
  Back later.....
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-te02.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Apr 27 10:34:55 EDT 1998
  
  kaNNadhAsan continued.....
  
  On Caste, Creed, Class, Religion
  Similar to Bharadhi, kaNNadhAsan differentiates humans based only on their character.
  
  From "karNan":
  kaNNukkuk kulam Edhu
  karuNaikku inam Edhu
  viNNukkuL pirivu(u) Edhu
  viLakkukku iruL Edhu
  
  veeraththil irundhE kulam piRakkum
  adhil mEl endRum keezh endRum engirukkum?
  
  koduppavar ellAm mEl AvAr
  kaiyil koLbavar ellAm keezh AvAr
  
  From "nAnum manidhanthAn":
  irakkam migundhavan mElpiRavi
  adhu illAdhu ozhindhavan keezh piRavi
  piRappin rahasiyam idhu allavA?
  idhu pEsum dheivaththin poruL allavA?
  
  From "pAva mannippu":
  edhanaik kaNdAn madhamthanaip padaiththAn (Note: the word "madham" was replaced by "paNam" later due to censor restrictions)
  
  On Work Ethic/ Self-help & Self-Esteem/ Money:
  While kaNNadhAsan's works do not get into organized Labor issues in such detail as PattukkOttaiyaar's does, they do address the material & emotional fruits of labor at the individual level.
  
  From "paNam" re self-esteem:
  vAl pidiththE vayiRu vaLarththu
  uyir vAzhAdhu iruppadhu mAnam
  kAl pidiththE kaikoopiyE
  kaNdOraik koNdAdi pon thEdavE
  kAkkai pidippadhu avamAnam
  
  From "pazhani" emphasizing agriculture & self-help:
  AROdum maNNil engum neerOdum
  ErOdum endRum namma thErOdum
  pOrAdum vElaiyillai yArOdum bEdham illai
  oorOdum sErndhu uNNalAm
  
  maNNilE thangam uNdu maNiyum uNdu vairam uNdu
  kaNNilE kANach cheyyum kaigaL uNdu vErvai uNdu
  
  A similar song on self-employment from "kanniyin kAdhali":
  kai madakki sEvagamthAn seyyavum vENdAm
  ejamAn kattaLaikkuk kAththukkittu niRkavum vENdAm!
  paiyap paiyap pEsip paNam vAngavum vENdAm
  siramam pattadhaRku palanillAmal Engavum vENdAm
  
  From "kaRuppup paNam" about the social consequences of money:
  kaiyilE paNamirundhAl kazhudhaikooda arasanadi
  kaithatta ALirundhAl kAkkai kooda azhaganadi
  
  On Socialism & Resource Allocation:
  Bharadhi sang with passion thani oruvanukku uNavillai enil jagaththinai azhiththiduvOm.
  
  kaNNadhAsan in "kaRuppup paNam":
  ellArum ellAmum peRa vENdum
  ingu illAmai illAdha nilai vENdum
  vallAn poruL kuvikkum thani udaimai neengi
  vara vENdum thirunAttil podhu udaimai
  
  pAlena azhuvOrkku pAl tharuvOm
  pasum koozh enath thudippOrkkuch chORiduvOm
  
  From "pachchai viLakku":
  padiththa mAndhar niRaindha nAttil
  pArkkum yAvum podhu udaimai
  (What an irony!)
  
  I also found some thoughtful verses from kaNNadhAsan reflecting his opinions on the plight of women in the society including the dowry system, widow remarriage and the usual double standards. I'll try to post them if possible.
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-te05.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Apr 27 11:35:17 EDT 1998
  
  kaNNadhAsan on Women's Issues
  
  On the Dowry System which is alive and well even today, despite Bharadhi, despite Laws, despite individual Consciences:
  
  The following verse is from a romantic duet, which can be applied to this issue (my own interpretation). Movie: neeyA nAnA
  ponnum poruLum parisalla--avai
  poovaikku mElE peridhalla
  ennai unakkE thandhu vittEn--adhai
  idhayam thiRandhu solli vittEn
  
  In this following verse, he describes the feelings of a woman whose life is doomed because of this issue.
  peN koLLa vandhAr endReNNi--siRu
  pEdhai nAn sindhinEn Anandhak kaNNeer
  pon koLLa vandhAr enndRaRiyEn--ini
  pularAdha pozhudhAgum vAzhvendRum aRiyEn!
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-te05.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Apr 27 11:41:23 EDT 1998
  
  kaNNadhAsan on Women's Issues continued....
  
  On widow remarriage:
  This issue does not need much prefacing. I'll just go ahead and give full lyrics to this song from "pudhiya pAdhai".
  maNa mAlai izhandha thAyE muga manjaL azhindha thAyE
  udal vidhavai AnadhAlE manam vidhavai Avadhillai!
  perumaiyAna dheivam nam peNmai endRu solvAr
  kOvil padhumaiyAna dheivamthAn vidhavai Avadhillai!
  oru mirugam pOdum soolam nalla sagunam endRu solvAr
  than thuNai izhandha peNNai vegu dhooram niRka vaippAr!
  poongodiyil vidhavai illai mAnkulaththil vidhavai illai
  paguththaRivu koNda mAndharthAm aRivil vidhavai AnAr!
  idhu puratchi kANum ulagam dhinam pudhumai kANum ulagam
  nee poRukka vENdum thAyE! oru pudhiya kAlam malarum!
  
  

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