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thiraippAdalgaLil samudhAyak karuththukkaL

Topic started by Kanchana (@ ww-tp05.proxy.aol.com) on Sun Apr 19 11:41:09 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

TFM boasts of several contemporary poets like Bharadhidhasan, Pattukkottai Kalyanasundaram, Kannadhasan and Vali (Version I) who penned several songs dealing with social issues such as work ethic (uzhaippu), labor rights, women's position in society, religion, caste, patriotism/ nationalism, money/power/greed and the such. In addition, non-film kavidhaigaL from Bharadhi and Bharadhidhasan have been included in TFM to heighten social awareness.
Let's go ahead and discuss some of these songs--old and new--which address some key social issues even as they were entertaining the masses in the context of the movie situation. Please elaborate on the lyrics and your thoughts on the same as your time would allow.

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• From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Apr 23 10:46:38 EDT 1998
  
  
  Another SKP from my Vathiyaar!
  
  
  Pudhiya vaanam pudhiya bhoomi
  Engum panimazhai pozhigiradhu
  Naan varugaiyilae ennai varavaerka
  Vannap poomazhai pozhigiradhu Oh oh oh oh
  
  Endha naadu enra kaelviyillai
  Endha jaadhi enra baedhamillai
  Manidhargal anbin vazhithaedi
  Ingu iyarkaiyai vanangugiraar
  Malai uyarndhadhupoal manam uyarndhadhenru
  Ivar vaazhvil vilakkugiraar
  
  
  Kanchana:
  
  
  Back to topic, are we moving into the
  kaNNadhAsan-vAli era now?
  
  I hope your dream come true :-))))
  
  All:
  
  I think we are moving into
  Vaali Version II, TFM Vairamuthu era and
  Pazhani Bharadhi and Arivumathi era.
  
  When the movies are picturised in USA, Europe,
  Singapore, Switzerland, etc etc, how can the
  Lyricst poor guys can write a SKP paadal.
  
  USA-la vandhu SKP paadal paadinaa nalla irukkadhae!
  
  Ippo indha Era-vil irukkum SKP (Samudhayathai
  Kizhikkum Padalgal) parungO!
  
  
  Miami beechu alaigal manasukkul adikkudhaa ?
  Mutham saerkkum Swiss bankku un kannamaa ?
  
  Anbae iruvarum Americcavai podi nadaiyaaga
  valam varuvOm!
  Kadal mael sivappu kambalam virithu Europeil
  kudi puguvOm!
  
  JEANS ellaam maattikkoa LIP-STICKkku poattukkoa!
  
  Ohhh! Party nalla Party dhaan
  Ohhh! Beautyyinnaa Beauty dhaan
  
  Smoothaiaaych chellum floppy disk aval
  nenjai allum Dolby Sound aval
  
  MadOnna paadala nee ? Mumbaiyin Modella nee ?
  Diana Saayalaa nee ? Ammaani ?
  
  
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-tj05.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Apr 23 11:10:50 EDT 1998
  
  Bhaskar:
  I guess your SKP (Version II) is from Jeans.
  
  Amar and you have kicked off the Kannadhasan--Vaali (version I) era SKP discussion. Can we exhaust our discussions on that era, and then move into the Vaali (version II)/Vairamuththu/Pazhanibharadhi/Arivumadhi era, please? Thank you for your enthusiasm and understanding.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Apr 23 11:11:58 EDT 1998
  
  Approm, I forgot one more thing to say.
  
  TFM Vairamuthu Solli irukkaru .....
  
  anbae iruvarum podinadaiyaaga amerikkaavai
  valam varuvoam
  kadalmael sivappu kambalam viriththu
  Europe-il kudipuguvoam
  Nam kaadhalai kavipaadavae
  Shelly-yin Byron-nin kallaraith
  thookkaththaik kalaiththiduvoam
  
  
  Definitely not Kannadhaasan and Bharadhidhasan :-)))
  
  Ammam yaaru indha pudhu mugangal Shelly and Byron?
  
  
• From: shyam (@ 192.147.35.56) on: Thu Apr 23 11:20:58 EDT 1998
  
  iraivan ulagathai padaithaana
  Ezaiai avan thaan padaithaana
  
  ezaiai padaithavan avan endral
  iraivan enbavan etharkaaga
  
  -- unakkaga naan
  
  Eththamaya eththam eellolangadi eeththamaya eththam
  ungappam muppataan sothu ithu etthamaya ettham
  ......
  
  switch onna thaati vittuputta pampu settula thaani kottu pudam
  
  ....
  enthiram vachi veelai chenga makathuvam varuma bhoomi
  
  mannuveLainjaalE ponnu veenanguthaamama
  
  vELaipaarmama...
  
  vnjyana kaalathil ellamE machinu manisan manasu kooda machinaachi poo pullai
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Apr 23 11:23:59 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  
  Ammam, rendu paerum just one minute diffrence-la
  post pannitOm! I was carried away to explain you
  the current Era in TFM Lyrics :-))))
  
  SKP Version I ukku mattum dhaan indha thread-la
  Idam :-))))
  
  Ini SKP Version II pathi paesa mattaen!
  
  One more Version I SKP from my Vathiyaar!
  
  Padam : Vaettaikkaran
  Kural: T M S
  Varigal: Kannadhaasan
  
  
  Unnai arindhaal...nee unnai arindhaal
  Ulagaththil poaraadalaam
  Uyarnthaalum thaazhndhaalum
  Thalai vanangaamal nee vaazhalaam
  
  Maaberum sabaiyinil nee nadandhaal - unakku
  Maalaigal vizhavaendum - oru
  Maasu kuraiyaadha mannavan ivanenru
  Poatrip pugazha vaendum
  
  Boomiyil naeraaga vaazhum manidhargal
  Saamikku nigar illaiyaa
  Thannaith thaanum arindhukondu oorukku solbavargal
  ThalaivargaL aavathillaiyaa ?
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ wmu-53-179.tm.net.my) on: Thu Apr 23 11:41:31 EDT 1998
  
  There is one low-lying poet whom time seem to have forgotten. He has penned excellent songs, but had always preferred to keep a low profile, owing to his humility. Could we unearth Maruthakazi's samuthaya paadalkal please. Who wants to kick off? I want to knock off now. Good night.
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-tj01.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Apr 23 12:50:45 EDT 1998
  
  Bhaskar:
  Thank you for your understanding: since this topic cuts across several eras & poets in TFM, it is nice to have some sort of a rough chronological order--that's all :)
  
  Manisekaran:
  I don't know (m)any songs of Marudhakasi except for some Sampoorna Ramayanam songs. Do we have Knowledgebles out here in the US time zone who can help out with Marudhakasi...??
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Apr 23 13:15:50 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  
  If I was working from Home I could have done
  something, unfortunately I am working from office :-)))
  
  If you can recollect some movies to which
  Marudhakasi has penned Lyrics, I could make
  some research in my Library at home at get back.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Apr 23 13:44:02 EDT 1998
  
  Sathya:
  
  antha NSK paadal mika arumaiyaana onRu.
  oNNulayirunthu 20 varaikkum koNdaattam koNdaattam
  
  
  Ammam indha paadal dhaan naan sonnaen!
  
  iruvadhil irundhu muppadhu varaikkum thindattam thindattam!
  
  endru varum, muzhu paadal varigal theriyumaa?
  
  
• From: Mux (@ internet-gw1.hea.com) on: Thu Apr 23 14:05:16 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  I remember 2 songs. I don't know the specifics but here it is -
  
  Sathiyame latchiyamai koLLadaa
  thalai nimirndhu unai unarndhu sellada
  
  and
  
  nenjam undu nermaiyundu odu raaja
  
  (IS this the song in which -
  nadenna seythathu namakku endra kelvigal ketpadhu etharku
  neeyenna seithaai atharku ena ninaithaal nanmai unakku -
  
  lines come ??. (I think Vaali wrote this translation of Kennedy's speech)
  
  Mux
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-td03.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Apr 23 18:01:18 EDT 1998
  
  Mani & Kanchana:
  
  I have the following songs of A. Maruthakasi.
  
  But the problem is I don't think any songs to be
  an SKP song.
  
  1. Maasila unmai Kaadhalae, MarumO sondham
  vandha pOdhilae
  Film: Alibabavum 40 thirudargalum.
  Music: S, Dhakshinamurthy
  Singers: AMR & P. Bhanumathi
  
  2. Manapparai Madukatti, Mayavaram yaeru pootti
  Film : Makkalai pettra magarasi
  Music: KVM
  Singer: TMS
  
  3. Mullai malar maelae, moikkum vandhu pOlae
  Film: Utthama Puthiran
  Music: GR, Singer : TMS & PS
  
  4. Kattu malli poothirukku
  Film: Veera Pandiya Katta Bomman I guess ??
  Music: KVM
  Singer: Dr Seergazhi S. Govindarajan.
  
  5. Varuvaen Naan unadhu MaLigaiyin Vsalukkae
  Film: Mallikka
  Music: TR Pappa
  Singers: AMR & PS
  
  I think Kattu Malli poothirukku has some
  SK's in the song I have listened to it long back.
  I shall listen to it again and post the song
  Later if it is a SKP ......
  
  But I remember the situation of this song in the
  Movie Veera Pandiya Katta Bomman where Shivaji
  goes in to the city in Maaru Vaesham to
  bust a group of Vazhi Pari Kollai Makkals.
  
  He gives some SK's to the people who are travelling.
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Apr 23 22:16:56 EDT 1998
  
  Some songs of Marudhakaasi have been already mentioned:
  Er munaikku nEr ingE edhuvumE illai (PiLLai Kaniyamudhu)
  maNappaarai maadu katti maayavaram Eru pootti (M.P.Makaraasi)
  kadavuL ennum mudhalaaLi (Vivasaayi)
  I think the full lyrics have also been given. Some more:
  
  aaduRa maattai aadik kaRakkaNum
  paaduRa maattai paadik kaRakkaNum
  Padam: aRivaaLi
  
  otrumaiyaay vaazhvadhaalE uNdu naNmaiyE
  --a very nice SKP from Bhaaga Pirivinai
  
  aanaakka andha madam, aagaatti indha madam
  Padam: aayiram roobaay
  
  num jeeviyak koodu kaLimaN Odu
  aasaiyO maNal veedu
  Padam: Gumaasthaa
  
  Marudhakaasi 'Kanavu' endra padaththukku ezhudhiya
  thirunaadu thannil thiruvOdu Endhi
  theruvOdu pOgum nilai maaRidaadhu
  seemaangaL uLLam maaRaadha pOdhu
  endra varigaL Anna-vai peridhum kavarndhanavaam.
  
  I think kaNNai nambaadhE unnai Emaatrum
  from Ninaiththadhai Mudippavan is by Marudhakaasi.
  
  (Non-SKP greats of Marudhakaasi: neelavaNNa kaNNaa vaadaa;
  ninaindhu ninaindhu nenjam urugudhE; vasanthamullai pOlE vandhu;
  mullaimalar mElE moykkum vaNdu pOlE; ennai vittu OdippOga mudiyumaa;
  en vaazhvil pudhup paadhai kaNdEn; vaaraay nee vaaraay; ulavum
  thendral kaatrinilE etc.)
  
  Digression: Other facts and stories.
  
  1948-il 52 padangaL veLivandha pOdhu avatril 48 padangaLukkup paadal
  ivar ezhudhinaaraam. ERaththaazha 4000 paadalgaLai ezhudhiyirukkiRaaraam.
  
  He refused to write lyrics for Ilayaraja's music, for some reason.
  
  oru muRai ivar oru "azhukku" paadal ezhudhinaaraam. padam veLivandhavudan
  ivaradhu mudhal rasigaiyidamirundhu kadidham vandhadhu: pEnaavai
  asingap paduththaadheergaL. padam paarppavargaLil ungaL manaiviyum
  uNdu, sagOdharigaLum uNdu, endru. ippadi ezhudhiyavar avarudaya
  mooththa magaLdhaanaam.
  
  'Mannaadhi Mannan' padaththiRkku oru paattezhudha pala muRai ezhudhip
  paarththuvittu kadaisiyaaga mudiyaamal, neengaL ezhudhith thaarungaL
  endru Kannadhasan, Marudhakaasiyidam sonnaaraam. andhap paadal: aadaadha
  manamum uNdO.
  
  oru muRai, oru peN, kizhavan oruvanai kEli seyyum situation-ukku
  Marudhakaasi-yai paadal ezhudhach chonnaargaLaam. avar udane,
  guNdu chatti vayiRazhagaa, kudaimiLagaa mookkazhagaa
  naNdukkaal nadaiyazhagaa paalaivanath thalaiyazhagaa
  endru ezhudha, ellOrum kollendru siriththanaraam. kaaraNam:
  ap padaththin isai amaippaaLar GRamanathan kachchidhamaaga Marudhakaasi
  ezhudhiya kizhavanaip pOl irundhadhaal! GR-um vEdikkayaay siriththaaraam.
  
  

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