Topic started by MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on Thu Apr 17 01:02:28 EDT 2003.
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In an effort to make dhool a li'l more comprehensive, we are adding a section "chords" for some songs. This table is presently hidden since we have chords only for a few songs. DFers can mail their own set of chords for the songs they have played / written in the format suggested in the Chords conventions page. Take a look at the way the page is arranged and send your chords to andholanam@hotmail.com. Try to make it as complete and accurate as possible including the interludes. This will help others who are searching for chords to use them. Appropriate credits shall be given to those who send the files.
(1) Paatu paadava
(2) Janani Janani
(3) Kuzaloodhum kaNNanukku
(4) nila adhu
(5) ponnondru kaNden
(6) vaseegara
and other chord files are available here - http://dhool.com/chords/articles.htm
some conventions:
http://dhool.com/chords/chords_conventions.htm
BTW, all these files were created by me and pardon the errors if any.
MS
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- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Sat May 24 21:06:13 EDT 2003
thanx basheer.
Folks, I have tried "chording" a very tough song - "April Mayile". Take a look and tell me if there are errors.
http://dhool.com/chords/tamil/aprilmayile.htm
- From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168)
on: Tue May 27 11:54:21 EDT 2003
MS good work.
Is it possible for you to upload your midi file for 'April Mayile' song.
thanks
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Tue May 27 12:32:49 EDT 2003
UV :-)
chords ezudharadhu mattumdhaan en vElai. I am not a great KB player. I sit with the song and write the notes down. I hardly do any playing :-) so midi file illai.
- From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168)
on: Tue May 27 15:11:12 EDT 2003
MS
sorry for the trouble.
no problem, neenga ithdu panarathe romba jasthi.
I was wondering how you do it.
I mean do you tune your kb to the same pitch/sruthi as the song and then from their identify the chords.
because each instrument could have been set to different pitch so If I start just playing the chords as given it may not gel.
the entire chords patterns shift according to that instrument pitch
correct me if I am wrong.
I am sure folks playing on stage swamiji might be able to answer as how they tune or adjust for each singer or tune all instruments to one standard pitch and then singer all have to sing to that pitch?!!
- From: Srik (@ 64.80.98.165)
on: Tue May 27 16:34:53 EDT 2003
UV, basically, I think you are confused with scales and sruthi in carnatic music.
chord progressions are set to a root scale. so if the scale is changed the chords also change in a relative manner.
assume if you have song in C minor scale.
assume the chords are
Cm Eb Cm eb
now assume the same song in Dminor
chords will be
Dm F dm F
like you can see that
in a minor scale,
Eflat is the ga note when your scale starts in C here f is the ga when you played from D
you can see a 2 note interval in the both the progression.
when MS wrote a chord progession in one scale
it is easy to convert it to anyscale, we can write a java script to do it actually.
:)
each instrument could have been set to different pitch -- no, they are tuned at middle C (440khz)) using a keyboard before the show..:)
- From: notes (@ 216.210.128.249)
on: Tue May 27 17:43:59 EDT 2003
a related question:
if a song's original scale is Dminor, does the keyboard player play interlude melody using the notes of Dminor scale OR transpose the keyboard and play in Cminor scale? [I heard that the guitar player plays the interlude music using Dminor scale]
- From: Love Music (@ 203.44.55.70)
on: Tue May 27 18:04:46 EDT 2003
Notes,
It depends. I usually play whatever I originally practiced the song in but sometimes during rehearsals, instrument or singer('s voice) mandate scale change, then I transpose. its just a convenience thing. I would say it depends on the keyboardist.
- From: notes (@ 216.210.128.249)
on: Tue May 27 18:29:55 EDT 2003
Thanks!
I was wondering to play using the singer's pitch [without transpose], we need to know all the notes in the scale, starting from the new root note. This is easy for western music, as there are only a few popular scales (like major, minor). However, the TFM songs mix carnatic with western and so, can have a lot of scales. It may be tough to remember all the notes starting from different root note than middle "C".
- From: Srik (@ 138.88.28.107)
on: Tue May 27 21:27:32 EDT 2003
it depends on the keyboard player, i prefer to play it with the scale and also
Transpose might hinder if more midi modules are connected to your main Keyboard as slaves.
Like if your main kb is transposed slaves will not be transposed unless you do it phyiscally in all modules. No special midi event to send a transpose message. however a sysex can be sent but that is harder than playing it without transpose.:)
:)
- From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168)
on: Wed May 28 11:37:47 EDT 2003
Srik
Thanks, those where indeed valuable inputs.
Now is it same during studio recording.
Or the dir. knows the singers sruthi(11/2kattai or 41/2 katti) first and then set it accordingly. or set it to a predefined sruthi/pitch?!
Esp during duets like SPB and Janaki how do they tune things up ? ;)
Imagining like the 80s when IR,MSV used to have a huge orchestra
it will be a tough job I guess?
- From: Srik (@ 64.80.98.165)
on: Wed May 28 12:27:58 EDT 2003
Music director is supposed to know their vocals range. Secondly "key" is for entier song so all of them tune it one reference point.
Tunning is the basic for any form of music,
the size of the orchestra does not matter . 100 instruments or 1 instrument, tunning process is the same. in 50 or more instruments finding incorrect ones takes some time. Experts spot the incorrect ones quite quickly. MSV is one such person, he will use his famous comment, "
"violinist OLArRAr pidi avarai" he often pin points artist (2nd row 6th violin )
Pre-keyboard days MDs used harmonium as reference to explani the scores. Still today some music directors prefer harmoium to explain, they can experiment all the scale ranges with the singer.
However keyboards does the same.
actually majority of the Pitching problems occurs only to the vocalists not to the insturmentalists.
:)
- From: Srik (@ 64.80.98.165)
on: Wed May 28 12:39:15 EDT 2003
Secondly, you need to know more on instrument ranges also, you cannot compose in high scale for oboe parts, it will end up like rail whistle, so you need to know - what to use - how to use - when to use right scale.
new trend these days is songs are tuned very high, if you listen to some songs from HarisJ, or Yuvan shanker, singers are forcesd to scream and call it "feel". irratates at times.I have leant the hard way about "pitching" Certain voices fail to sound great when they go high,
Shanker mahadevan is an example of very hi pitch voice, he can do wonders with his range. Kamal is also a great singer when it comes to high pitch vocals.
- From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168)
on: Wed May 28 12:57:52 EDT 2003
srik
"actually majority of the Pitching problems occurs only to the vocalists not to the insturmentalists.
:)" thats exactly the point !!
so IR or MSV would we pretty much know the vocal range of most of singers just by the sheer amount of work they have done with them I guess.
regarding this high tuned songs,YSR seems to be obsessed with them. And with the present trend I think you wont find a song like 'Veenai Balachanders' song 'Neeyum Bomai Nanum Bomai' thats literally a slowish song ever. its also kind of irritating.
- From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.112.46)
on: Wed May 28 13:15:47 EDT 2003
yAruppA adhu vINai bAlachandar pATTai irritating-nu cholRAdhu? innA "koLuppu" adhigamAyiruchchA? :-) [chummA oru idhukkuth thAn indha comment :-) ]
- From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168)
on: Wed May 28 14:46:18 EDT 2003
hihi:) HI
romba nala ala kanum adhan ippadi sonen?(samalification)
Actually that song can kind of put it you into a trance state esp with yesduas soft voice when did the movie 'Bommai' came out in 1965?!
- From: naveen chandra (@ 202.142.67.216)
on: Sat May 31 09:57:11 EDT 2003
guys if u need any chords for iasi gnani illayaraja's song's u can mail me..at yam_nav@yahoo.co.in
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Sat May 31 15:56:52 EDT 2003
Update:
-------
Srikanth's fifth article - "Chords and their specialty" - has been added.
http://dhool.com/chords/articles/Srikanth/005/mt5.htm
- From: g.c.naveen chandra (@ 202.142.67.216)
on: Sun Jun 1 02:57:16 EDT 2003
as i said u ,this is my sample thing as free notions,u can't find any difficulties from this enjoy ur playing.
Song:Poove sempoove
singer:Padmashree K.J.Yesudas.
Music:Isai gnani Illayaraja.
SCALE:"D"Major
RHYTHM:SLow 1|2|3|1|2|3|.....
This chords are verygood for strumming in guitar.And you may get some melody accuracy.
PALLAVI :poovae semboovae un vaasam varum
[D] [D] [D] [G]
vaasal en vaasal un poongaavanam
[D] [D] [D] [G]
vaay paesidum pullaanguzhal
[A] [Dm] [A] [Gm]
needhaanoru poovin madal
[A] [Dm] [A|Dm|D]
(poovae)
CHARANAM:
nizhal poala naanum........... nadai poada neeyum
[D] [D] [D] [D] [G] [G]
thodarginra sondham nedungaala bandham
[D] [G] [A] [D]
naan vaazhum vaazhvae unakkaa..gaththaanae
[C] [F] [G] [F] [C]
naal dhoarum nenjil naan aen..dhum thaenae
[C] [F] [G] [F] [C]
ennaalum sangeedham sandhoashamae
[A] [A] [A]
Vaaypesidum pullanguzhal
[A] [Dm] [A] [Gm]
Needaanoru poovin madal
[A] [Dm] [A|Dm|D].
- From: g.c.naveen chandra (@ 202.142.67.216)
on: Sun Jun 1 03:02:35 EDT 2003
as i said u ,this is my sample thing as free notions,u can't find any difficulties from this enjoy ur playing.
Song:Poove sempoove
singer:Padmashree K.J.Yesudas.
Music:Isai gnani Illayaraja.
SCALE:"D"Major
RHYTHM:SLow 1|2|3|1|2|3|.....
This chords are verygood for strumming in guitar.And you may get some melody accuracy.
PALLAVI :poovae semboovae un vaasam varum
[D] [D] [D] [G]
vaasal en vaasal un poongaavanam
[D] [D] [D] [G]
vaay paesidum pullaanguzhal
[A] [Dm] [A] [Gm]
needhaanoru poovin madal
[A] [Dm] [A|Dm|D]
(poovae)
CHARANAM:
nizhal poala naanum........... nadai poada neeyum
[D] [D] [D] [D] [G] [G]
thodarginra sondham nedungaala bandham
[D] [G] [A] [D]
naan vaazhum vaazhvae unakkaa..gaththaanae
[C] [F] [G] [F] [C]
naal dhoarum nenjil naan aen..dhum thaenae
[C] [F] [G] [F] [C]
ennaalum sangeedham sandhoashamae
[A] [A] [A]
Vaaypesidum pullanguzhal
[A] [Dm] [A] [Gm]
Needaanoru poovin madal
[A] [Dm] [A|Dm|D].
- From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152)
on: Sun Jun 1 04:56:30 EDT 2003
Gurus/Friends
I have been trying to play "Kaatrinile perum" from thulabaram.It is a charukesi number(27).Is it a G Chord number?
The initial swaras are Pa Dha Pa Pa.
Can someone help on
1.Enakoru Kadhali irukindrL (MSV-SPB)
2.Erikarai poongatre (KJY -Thooral Ninnu poachu)
3.Ammadi ponukku thanga manasu (Raman ethani ramanadi-TMS)This song has both Ni ala Chinna chinna Asai.I find this a terrific composition.
4.En Kadhale (Duet -SPB)
The articles are fabulous and good eye-openers.thanks.
I tried almost all the songs.Some of them sound really nice as western pieces.But flat sounds(without playing like a harmonium) robs the song mood on a few occasions.To get the continuity i keep the harmony at echo8/12(Yamaha) to get the Indian feel.
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