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Mistakes seen or heard in TFM.

Topic started by raja (@ icon2066.iconnet.com) on Wed Mar 31 12:45:02 EST 1999.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Just wondering if DFers have noticed songs which have off-beats, or beats out of sync. Sometimes IMO you have songs released with a stanza cut-off from the soundtrack version and the song generally heard sounds offbeat. .

An example is Raja Raja Sri Rajan Vandhan from Ootyvarai Uravu, the beat thru out the song sounds out of place, even though it is intentional, the last stanza on the version surely sounds out of beat..

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• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Wed Mar 31 13:18:17 EST 1999
  
  i wanted to start a similar thread but withheld because of the "maraNa adi" i might get :-)
  
  some songs i think, the MD slept, are:
  
  (1) kaNmaNiyE kAdhal enbadhu kaRpanaiyO: the nadhaswaram in the (second?) interlude blatantly goes off
  (bayangara pisuRu; problem with breath control) but i think IR let it go because track recording might not
  have been used!
  
  (2) paruvamE pudhiya pAdal pAdu: when the second interlude finishes and the second charaNam starts, it sounds
  like the drummer didn't know what to do; very asynchronous.
  
  more later.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Mar 31 13:30:04 EST 1999
  
  Great thread, Raja. aruL, you've set the tone right. I hope it continues in that manner. Until you pointed it out here, I wasn't aware of the slips in both songs, needless to add two amazing songs. I noticed the problem in "Paruvamae" in my CD and thought it must have been a scratch in the disc. In "kanmaniyae", my untrained ears couldn't notice a lapse.
  
  
  
• From: raja (@ icon2066.iconnet.com) on: Wed Mar 31 14:02:31 EST 1999
  
  Arul:
  
  You are rite about the nadhaswaram - it is uncomfortable to hear the piece.
  
  Currently racking my brain to come out with more goofs..
  
  
• From: kooththan (@ keno.pmc-vacc.com) on: Wed Mar 31 14:11:13 EST 1999
  
  Do you remember the starting song in Devathai?
  
  It goes 'vaaraane vaaraane vaattamulla arakkan'
  It was sung by Prof. Kunasekaran.
  
  In that song, the nathaswaram in the first interlude is way off pitch. suruthy paetham.
  
  It might have been intentional to go with the movie scene though.
  
  ....later
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ isdbsd1-inet.ci.mil.wi.us) on: Wed Mar 31 16:04:58 EST 1999
  
  My cassette recording of "Solai Poovil Maalai Thendral..." from Vellai Roja. There is a constant percussion-string-percussion-string rhythm for this song, till the end when the second charanam ends, and the pallavi is backed by percussion-percussion (as if played twice). I've probably done a lousy job explaining this, but has anyone else felt the same?
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 98ad41bd.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Mar 31 18:27:49 EST 1999
  
  In "Anjali, Anjali, Anjali", in the 1st BGM, when the sax ends and the violins begin, there is a sax note which does not seem to belong there. The note itself is within scale, but sounds sharp, loud and totally out of place. If it was placed there intentionally, then there must have been something wrong with the balancing or mixing. In any case, it sounds as if the Saxophonist let out an breath of air forgetting that his sax was still stuck to his lips :-)
  
  
• From: rajiv (@ 208.238.117.38) on: Wed Mar 31 19:12:33 EST 1999
  
  i think the out of tune nadaswaram piece was put there on purpose to simulate the primitive instruments used at that time (is the story is set in BC?)
  
  the second interlude in 'poththi vechcha malligai mottu' seems to be out of beat..
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ abd2b6e9.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Mar 31 21:12:17 EST 1999
  
  This is IR BASHING THREAD #2
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Thu Apr 1 04:53:39 EST 1999
  
  "thogai iLamaiyil aaduthu" has a terrible start to the first interlude, after which the flute comes in and saves the song.
  
  
• From: V (@ dixon.ge.com) on: Thu Apr 1 08:14:34 EST 1999
  
  Srinath,
  
  indha discussionukku edayile unga comment
  thevaya ?
  
  
  
• From: Madhan,Goa. (@ 202.41.117.63) on: Fri Apr 2 01:11:18 EST 1999
  
  
  1.There is this song in a MGR movie -
  
  "Kannai nambaadhey unnai yemaatrum" sung by TMS - horrible trumpet accompaniment - sambandhamey illamal andha vaadhiyam comes along - as such, the song itself is apaswaram - adil, indha trumpet vera - thaanga mudiyaadhu.
  
  Similarly, "yen yendra kelvi" by TMS for MGR (MD - MSV ?) is simply outrageous in the development of the tune - it gives one an impression as if the song was deliberately allowed to be a degenerate tune by the MD to allow the lyrics (glorifying MGR) to be on the forefront. IMO, the creativity of MSV had to take a backseat in many of MGR Eulogising songs.
  
  2. "Kavali padadhey sagodhara" by Deva - there is nothing in this song (?) that is in place - the song itself is out of place in the first place - the tune, the intolerable voice and the lyrics. Deva has many such creations to his credit.
  
  3."Meenamma" from AASAI by Deva the great - abathhama oru beat .
  
  4."Konja naal poru thalaivaa" - in AASAI - in the interludes, there is this chorus of voices crying out something absurd - yaaro adikka varra maadhiri - spoils an otherwise rare good song of Deva.
  
  
  5.During the 80s, in many songs of IR, one can notice "illusory gaps" in the compositions - which do give a slight jarring effect - but IMO, these were part and parcel of the evolution of his music.
  
  For instance, the second interlude of "alli thandha boomi" from NANDU - as it begins, one can hear for a few seconds ,a virtual jamboree of various sounds before the violins join hands with rest and celebrate a virtual festival of music !! - for a casual listener, this might sound a bit "off", but listen keenly, one can understand, realize the brilliance of Raja's mixing /usage of different instruments to heighten the mood dicated by the situation.
  
  But there have been some abominable numbers by Raja -
  
  "kattai vandi, katta vandi" from Sakalakalavallavan.
  
  "maama, nee namma kitta dupe vidalaama" from Thoongaadhey thambi thoongadhey.
  
  "mama un ponnai kudu" - a compromise of a song for the sake of Rajni.
  
  There is another song sung by Raja himself - I don't know the name of the movie - it goes like "Agaya thaamarai arugil vandhadhen" - Raja's voice is totally abysmal in this song - definitely could have been better, if Mano or Jayachandran had rendered the song.
  
  In many songs of Raja, the female chorus does not gel with the song in terms of pitch and melody - for instance, the song "Kootathhiley koyil pura " from Idhaya Koil - in the second interlude, the female chrous sing jadhis "thathhi thakadhaam" and so on, and the chorus due to perhaps the wrong choice of the singers greatly dilutes the beauty of the song.
  
  6.ARR's "oruvan oruvan mudhalaali" - in the second interlude, there is this chorus "kulaali"or"ulaali" - Ayyo !! idhukku Rajnikanth karnakadoorama expressionoda dance(?) vera -
  In "JEANS", Anbey anbey kolladhey , the beginning promises something, but further down into the interlude and the stanzas, it is like "sugar cane molass, without a trace of anything sweet in it "
  
  ARR's running out of ideas are very much visible in such songs.
  
  
• From: Madhan,Goa. (@ 202.41.117.63) on: Fri Apr 2 01:38:59 EST 1999
  
  1. There is this song ,
  
  "Atthaadi yenna udambu, udambellam pacchai narambu " ( who is the genius to write this "udambu " " narambu" rhyming lyrics ) MDed by Soundaryan , I think - another song which itself is out of place in TFM !!
  
  2. The "pappaa paabappaavap" nonsense that comes in the second interlude of IR's "Raja Rajadhi Rajan" from Agni Nakshatram is awful.
  
  3. In GURU (Malayalam), in the song "Deva Sangeetham" by KJY and Chitra (?), in the second stanza, when KJY sings "Orey raagam orey thaalam,priya deva" the voice goes off pitch at the point of rendering "raagam, orey thaalam" - maybe KJY is just allowing his age to take over his voice -
  
  4.KJY's rendering of "Thirukoyilae odivaa" sounding as "THERU KOYILAE ODIVAA" in the song "Ninaivaaley silai sedihu ".
  
  5.Mano's rendering of "O,Paapa laali" as "O BABAA LAALI " in Idhayathai Thirudaadhey - he sings "O megamey oramaai nee odhungidu,iraichalo idigalo vendumo - O kuiyliye paadivaa yen paadalai nallisai idhayathhin naadhamo" - Mano's voice in that song is such that the Megams would have Odhungufied with fear, even without him requesting them to do so and the KUYILI (whatever that means ) would have never heeded his request !
  
  and the even more intolerable rendering of "vidiya vidiya nadam " - in the same movie by Mano - this song is supposed to be sung with gusto and youthful exuberance which is what SPB has sone in the Telugu version, but Mano Sir, renders the songs as if he is singing a REQUIEM for the Hero - especially, the song ends on a fast tempo, with SPB giving it a punch towards the end in the Telugu version , but Mano, sobs in the end in the Tamil version - I don't know whether IR was sleeping while the recording was being done.
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.234) on: Fri Apr 2 13:02:48 EST 1999
  
  madhan,
  i wouldnt blame raja for coming out with numbers like katta vandi. i feel they are perfect if not a little bit more than those films deserve. sakalakalavallavan is one of the worst films by any standards. in fact the early 80s featured a list of crap movies from rajni and kamal, and i actually admire raja for having inspiration to compose beautiful tunes for such films. eg. kazhugu.
  
  katta vandi is perfect for the situation i.e. heroine teasing the hero, or vice versa, which
  are oft repeated in tamil films.
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Fri Apr 2 15:16:09 EST 1999
  
  friends,
  
  please stick technical faults; not we subjectively consider as bad composition or a miss.
  
  this is a heartfelt request. please please please stick to technical faults.
  
  
• From: neels (@ 202.54.125.220) on: Fri Apr 2 15:25:58 EST 1999
  
  Madhan!
  
  The GURU number is a gem from KJY and IR. The 'Ore Ragam Ore Taalam' part is in fact well rendered. I'm surprised that you're doubting KJY's talent!!! He is NOT OLD yet!
  
  Compare it with the line in the prev. stanza sung by Radhika Tilak 'Swaram Moham Varam Shokam'... and you'll appreciate that it was meant to be that way. Personally, I feel, the change of note gives it a pleasnat surprise ( a la some Ghulam Ali Ghazals)
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Fri Apr 2 20:26:11 EST 1999
  
  Neels!!!
  
  Once again I am differing from you. Agreead GURU is excellent, but KJY has definitely aged and so is his voice. Please listen to "Chinna vayasula" from kaLLazagar.
  
  

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