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Keeravani get best MD award (National) for Annamayya. Why not "Guru"

Topic started by S.Suresh (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on Mon May 11 01:27:46 EDT 1998.
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Hi,

I was surprised to find that Keeravani has been awarded the best MD (National Awards). I was thinking all along that the best music to come out in 1997 was "Guru". Not b'cause I like IR but the music is very involved. Lot of effort has gone into it. I have heard the music of Annamayya and it is OK at best. Maybe the committe decided to give the award to some movie which has a classical base. BTW, Guru was also not given the best MD even when Kerala State announce the awards. Guru got some other awards in Kerala but not music. Any reactions.

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• From: Srinivas (@ pup36.stanford.edu) on: Fri Dec 11 15:18:02 EST 1998
  
  To add to the above, I agree with Raj that
  "Sociological Impact" should NOT be used as the SOLE criterion. Obviously, musical merit is also a necessary ingredient. I believe that there is nothing wrong in including this as one of the criteria.
  
  
• From: N.C.Ramakrishna (@ hil-c45-050-vty97.as.wcom.net) on: Fri Dec 11 20:02:00 EST 1998
  
  Raj
  
  Nice to see a your posting in which expressed lot of feelings.
  
  Coming to my views, I do agree that when an award is to be given it has to be for excellence. But I feel excellence with cause is more appropriate. I feel MK did some excellent job. No doubt in that. This award is given in much better way than to guys given before where at least there is no such greatness. I am not denying the facts about GURU. But how many feel that way?
  
  I know that we are in the age where Daler Mehndi is followed ( According to him there is no composer in India other than him-- I dont know about the truth in this). How can one expect to enjoy somebody's great work like Annamayya? You need lot of qualities to feel the works done by Annamayya. How many people are there to recognise him?
  
  No wonder IR's work is not recognised in this world. How many could understand what he tells thru his music. A musician feels satisfied when his work is understood by people than recognised by awards. How much popular was GURU when compared to Uyire or Jeans which dont have any greatness as compared to GURU. How much recognition he got from Kerala Govt for this movie? How many people know about this album? There is no wonder that his work didnt get recognised. What I mean is that atleast by giving award to MK for Annamayya is something better. Which definitely not worse than giving to other mediocre works done by somebody. This too deserves some recognition.
  
  Even in this TFM there are people who don't see any greatness in IR's GURU. So how can you imagine in this world where movies like Jeans get nominated for Oscar, to recognise IR's GURU?
  
  Regarding how movie was taken will be lot of digression to this topic but IMO when this movie was taken by 100% commercial director(KR) with popular guys like Nagarjuna and Ramya krishna, the outcome was much better. If it would have been taken in traditional way like olden days, I wonder how many people (in this pop and Dalers's world )would have seen that movie. ( You know there was contoversy on Nagarjuna having moustaches in this movie). I think cast like Nagarujuna and others attracted people to this movie. I dont care how it was taken but I really appreciate the idea to make a movie on Annamayya. It may be for commercial reasons but the name came out and reached people. Also I think they didnt do that bad to harm the image of Annamayya. This might have been the way to reach present people. what I feel is that they didnt give award to IR ( which is definitely not OK ), but if they would have not given to Annamayya also then we no longer need to worry about these awards.
  
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 174-233-71.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Dec 11 21:45:22 EST 1998
  
  Pity is Annamacharya needs advertising by Keeravani :) It is like Einstein requiring recommendation from my 5th standard maths teacher !!!
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Sat Dec 12 02:52:07 EST 1998
  
  NCR,
  >>Which definitely not worse than giving to other mediocre works done by somebody.<<
  
  The argument here is NOT that MMK doesn't deserve award or sthg. The point is, with GURU around, how can they give it to MMK???
  
  I'm sure ur statement "mediocre works done by somebody" was not told with GURU in mind.
  
  
• From: N.C.Ramakrishna (@ hil-c45-003-vty45.as.wcom.net) on: Sat Dec 12 11:51:16 EST 1998
  
  Shankar
  
  You are right.
  
  See my previous posting I wrote
  
  >>what I feel is that they didnt give award to IR ( which is definitely not OK ), but if they
  would have not given to Annamayya also then we no longer need to worry about these
  awards.>>
  
  In the same posting I wrote my feelings on GURU.
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ pup36.stanford.edu) on: Tue Dec 15 14:57:17 EST 1998
  
  I think what NCR is trying to say is that GURU deserved the award more than anything else.
  Giving the award to Annamayya rather than any other mediocre album like Jeans etc is a case of "lesser evil".
  
  
• From: nAradhan (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Wed Dec 16 00:42:16 EST 1998
  
  thalaivar-kku award kuduththaa enna kudukkaatith thaan enna?
  
  btw, kuyil paadrathai indha ulagam kaNdukkavE kaNdukkaathu, but kaagam, kuyil maathiri koova try paNNina, ellaarum praise paNNi, kai thatti, udanE vizha ellaam eduththu amrakkaLam paNNuvaanga! athaamba ulagam.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ hydrec2.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Thu Dec 24 12:30:18 EST 1998
  
  There is another question. Annamaiya had musical worth , agreed. But was not 80% of the glory for this Annamacharya's? MMK had done little to add to their greatness. MMK's contribution is not very great, IMO. Those krithis of annamayya didnt need MMK's embellishments to become popular anyway. If the argument goes how many people agree with our rating of GURU as of being of phenomenal musical quality, I have to ask how many people are there like srinivas...that is, how many people have taken to Carnatic and Annamacharyapurely based on the experience of HEARING THE MUSIC of the movie Annamacharya. A miniscule number, I am sure, compared to the number of US (pun unintended) guys who think the world of GURU. Besides, why should we stop with the songs? What about BGM? Needless to say who is the best in BGM.
  As for musical worth being an intangible quantity, well, that is precisely why we must have EXPERTS judging it. I feel that, if the judges over the past twenty years had any objectivity, our IR must have bagged this award TWENTY times. Not to degrade other MD's...
  
  The whole point is even NCR and Srinivas(@stanford.edu) agree that GURU had better intrinisic musical worth. I still feel that should suffice...okay, I full-heartedly agree,too, that it was at any rate better than giving the award to ,say, GHULAM or Jeans. But let us take another example.
  In the National Awards, there is a category like "Best film promoting family welfare " etc. Why should there be such a category? Following the arguments of NCR and Srinivas, we might simply choose to banish this category and give awards every year to some film which promotes this cause...never mind if it stands poorly compared to a tastefully-made movie. Why dont we do that? Because artistic merit is considered the PRIMARY criterion for judging the best film. Why shouldnt this be so for the music awards ,too?
  
  And I wont imagine in my wildest dreams of belittling annamacharya's compositions. The point is does someone deserve credit merely for USING these in his movie , for their moolah-raking purposes? Maybe, the end was that A MINISCULE few like Srinivas took to Carnatic music..but I am sure that would have been the last thing in the filmmaker's mind when he made this (imo, crap) movie.
  Raj
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ elaine4.stanford.edu) on: Thu Dec 24 14:02:44 EST 1998
  
  Raj ;
  If you would like to ask the question - on how any people took to Caranatic music after listening to Annamayya, IMO this is NOT the forum to ask, because this is TFM and I think that there will be very few who have heard (let alone listened) to this album. There is simply no way of dertermining whether it is a MINISCULE / SUBSTANTIAL number.
  
  For that matter, how many people will have taken to W. Classical music after listening to Guru?
  Agreed, 80% of the compositions are Annamayya's.
  So, Guru definitely scores points for originality.
  
  I think the BGM factor is not considered during the selection factor. Again, I agree that IR is the best for BGM.
  
  I agree with your argument that there could be separate categories for films advocating causes- but while there is no separate category, then such
  clashes are bound to be there.
  
  Finally, personally i.e if I were on the jury, I would have voted for Guru, but I would not be surprised at finding differing opinions. :-)
  I think that to enjoy/appreciate/criticise an album of the cadre of GUru, the judges need to have some basic W.Classical knowledge. SO, u are right in saying that we need more expert judges.
  
  
• From: Mukund (@ sd-ppp-215.abac.net) on: Thu Dec 24 17:48:07 EST 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  A relevant information:
  
  Tamilnadu government awards have been given this year to 2 movies: - they are Arunachalam and sooryavamsam.
  
  That speaks of the level of awards these days
  
  Mukund
  
  
• From: Raj (@ gerbil.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Dec 25 11:49:59 EST 1998
  
  Good observation, Mukund. Why should we bother, really? The day Minsaara Kanavu got the award, e should have stopped worrying about the worth of these awards. Then again, we might go back to the day MGR got the award for Rickshawkaaran...and Amitabh for Agneepath. Still, the argument I face is "GOOD films like Kaliyattam, Dahan do get an award..so, if your IR is that great, he must have got more awards in the twenty years" !!
  What can I say to guys who raise such an argument?
  Thats when I feel miserable.
  Thats why there was this downpour of emotion.
  
  
• From: Inbavannan (@ 202.54.71.152) on: Tue Jan 12 02:32:32 EST 1999
  
  Raj!
  Ilaiyaraja indeed got a host of awards! the national award for his films `Sagarasangamam' and `Sindhu Bhairavi'. Apart from that a host of state awards in TN, Kerala and AP. These apart a no. of his songs won the best singer awards for which a good %age of credit goes to the MD. The list starts with `Sendoorappoove'(16 vayadinile') for SJanaki.
  
  Awards or no awards, IR has proved to be a great composer for the last 2 decades.
  
  Eden
  
  
• From: Reader (@ fwclient.zip2.com) on: Tue Jan 12 14:23:18 EST 1999
  
  If this is going to happen then Deva will also get
  a award for Best Music Director (Xerox) . That should not be long way.
  
  
  

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