Topic started by mfm (@ 203.120.115.1) on Tue May 12 22:59:35 EDT 1998.
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Shall we imagine what would have happened to TFM, if there is no IR since 1976 till say, the debut of Deva, ARR etc., Ofcourse, everybody said that he made Tamilians to divert from Hindi songs. Won't it be interesting, if we can go into more detail
Without the debut of IR,
1. would MSV continued to rule TFM? for how long?
2. who would have took TFM from MSV? again for how long?
3. what would have happened to those films in which IR is the hero? (Not to mention everybody knows)
4. would there be so many no. of tamil films produced/released in that period
5. would TFM sought a MD from North India like RD Burman etc.,
Note: I would say IR is the inspiration for the present MDs.
Firstly Deva, he won't even exist without IR 'cos his compositions is Deva's Film Music Reference Manual, Dictionary, Encyclopaedia. Sirpi, SA R.Kumar etc., would also fall into this category
I welcome any corrections to my second point. Thin k about ARR... (1) he breathed the air that IR breathed (2) he was brought up under the shelter of IR (3) he learnt what is the definition of a complete Film MD (4) he is a sincere student(which ARR failed to mention) from the SCHOOL of IR specialised in complex orchestration & mixing(manual) (5) Can anybody add more...
All these not for 1 yr or 2 yrs or even 5 yrs but for 10 years - a DECADE experience for ARR with IR.
Can ARR or his fans rule out the fact that he did not benefit anything under the shadow of IR to attain the place he is enjoying now?? As many of us exclaim that IR is great creation of GOD, I think GOD also created ARR [not as great as IR anyway :-) ] to grew with IR and oneday get atleast a group of people to say that he replaced IR(which I do not agree anyway).
A few would ask why not VS Narasimhan or other veteran player in IR's team did not come like ARR. Well that's why I say ARR is a sincere STUDENT of IR School. GOD created ARR to be smart, intelligent and courageous enough to study IR for such a long time and get ARR to perform something different from what IR did. I think it can happen only for a limited period, but I wish ARR a long life in TFM & otherFM. B'cos IR is a ocean by himself, it will be a miracle if anyone can do things different from him for a long time.
Before I continue, let me get my views validated by the experts out there in DF.
Though I am hard-core, devotee of IR, I do not dislike or "hate" other MDs(ofcourse I do not listen to their songs:-). I believe there are geniune TFM fans/experts who can contribute to the imagination of "TFM without IR" and make this topic interesting & healthy.
mfm
Responses:
- From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tp03.proxy.aol.com)
on: Wed May 13 02:35:37 EDT 1998
MFM:
One line to say:
TFM without Ilayaraaja is like a
"Dead Man Walking on the Streets"!
- From: Sankaran (@ webgate0.mot.com)
on: Wed May 13 04:31:27 EDT 1998
TFM without IR.
This is a very interesting hypothesis.
MSV would have ruled for much longer.
Lesser mortals like Shankar-Ganesh,Chandrabose would have got more chances.
Indian music,not just TFM,wouldn't have got a taste of what western classical music is.
Indian music would have got its synthesisers much later.
Lot of the current MDs would be missing.
Most relevantly,there wouldn't have been newtfmpage.!!!
- From: M. Diwakar (@ j2.bkj23.jaring.my)
on: Wed May 13 07:11:56 EDT 1998
For the Tamil Film World, it would have been like waking up from something akin to Rip Van Winkle's sleep and discovering that TFM has not changed.
MSV, and perhaps SG would have ruled and the world would have been a poorer place without the captivating IR magic.
- From: Bharat (@ dsi.mids.com)
on: Wed May 13 13:52:47 EDT 1998
That is such a scary thought. People like S-G and Chandrabose gave good tunes too, but only once in a while, not as consistantly as MSV before them.
Without the continuing innovations, orchestral brilliance, and penchant for mixing musical styles that Raja brought about and epitomized, what would TFM have been?
Considering the players in the field at least, I don't think we would have had any one MD who would have sustained himself (maybe I should say "ruled") for such a long period.
- From: venus (@ 58.san-francisco-08.ca.dial-access.att.net)
on: Wed May 13 22:43:51 EDT 1998
Hi mfm,
I did not know that ARR is from IR school.
It is good.
I remember his first interview in the vikatan (after his first award).
The question:
Who is your favourite MD (or something of that sort)
I listen to KVM, MSV, TR and bla bla (Mind it IR's
name was not there), and I do not listen to some of the MDs because I do not want to have the influence of them in my music.
I could not understand this
is it possible for anybody in TFM to be like that in late 70's to till now (i.e wihtout listening to IR's music in tamil nadu).
OR
Can I infer the following,
He was faraid to listen to IR's music bcos that will influence him even subconsciously .
OR
poor guy
He said this under the cover (or the pressure) of the trio Mani, Vairamuthu, and balachander.
When I now hear that he is sheltered under IR and something like that I have only one thing to say
"enna ollgamada idhu" (ippo enndanna ARR is presenting ring to IR and all drama)
I do not know whether I posted this in the right thread. If it is a wrong thread sorry for that.
Disclaimer:
I do not hate ARR's songs . No doubt some are really good.
- From: venus (@ 58.san-francisco-08.ca.dial-access.att.net)
on: Wed May 13 22:44:04 EDT 1998
Hi mfm,
I did not know that ARR is from IR school.
It is good.
I remember his first interview in the vikatan (after his first award).
The question:
Who is your favourite MD (or something of that sort)
I listen to KVM, MSV, TR and bla bla (Mind it IR's
name was not there), and I do not listen to some of the MDs because I do not want to have the influence of them in my music.
I could not understand this
is it possible for anybody in TFM to be like that in late 70's to till now (i.e wihtout listening to IR's music in tamil nadu).
OR
Can I infer the following,
He was faraid to listen to IR's music bcos that will influence him even subconsciously .
OR
poor guy
He said this under the cover (or the pressure) of the trio Mani, Vairamuthu, and balachander.
When I now hear that he is sheltered under IR and something like that I have only one thing to say
"enna ollgamada idhu" (ippo enndanna ARR is presenting ring to IR and all drama)
I do not know whether I posted this in the right thread. If it is a wrong thread sorry for that.
Disclaimer:
I do not hate ARR's songs . No doubt some are really good.
- From: mfm (@ 203.120.115.1)
on: Thu May 14 04:08:49 EDT 1998
Ennappa? Periya aalungelam inga konjam vaangappa... Nithin & others please throw some light here to add meat to my scary imagination of "TFM's fate without IR's entry" Being a HCF of IR, I am not trying to start a separate thread to praise him again as great GOD creation(which is a universal truth anyway). But an interesting hypothesis to draw the attention of a vast pool of TFM expert listeners that TFM page has got and get their imaginations. I can envisage a few people who will say 'Mottai varavittal enna Thalaiya Poidum - see the present situation". All comments are welcome!
Thanks
- From: M. Diwakar (@ j17.jrc5.jaring.my)
on: Thu May 14 07:28:05 EDT 1998
Mottai varaavittal thaliya poyidum?
Thalaikku thane mottaiye adikkiradhu - The Crowning Glory! :)
- From: badri raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125)
on: Thu May 21 02:38:09 EDT 1998
hi mfm,
some are important but nobody is indispensable.
Ilayaraaja certainly made a significant impact on tfm but to think that tfm would have languished but for him is decrying others' contribution.
IR is an important milestone in tfm but to say that he was tfm is too much.
let's move on to the hypothetical situation of IR not coming up. what would have happened?
MSV had obviously failed to live up to the changing tastes of the audience and was unable to stem the onslaught of hindi music. probably burman, laxmikant pyarelal might have made some attempts but their inability to understand the tamil psyche would have cost them dear. (recall lp's abortive attempt)
i don't think that SG or Chandrabose could have lingered much longer given that they were no original contributors themselves. the time was ripe for somebody with a different mindset to step in and make an impact. my grandpa says that for anything to become reality depends on 3 things seed, soil and season. seed is the innate capability, soil is the right environment and season is the right timing. IR had all 3 in his favour and ergo made it big. please do remember that Raja's impact on Hindi music was never great although he had some hits to his credit. if IR had come in the period of MKTB or MLV i doubt if he would have had the kind of following and success he achieved in late 70's thro' early 90's.
- From: Indian (@ 194.133.33.19)
on: Sat May 23 14:59:25 EDT 1998
Ilayaraja is great no doubt sagodara. Avar illama tamil music engum vandirukaadu. From that great genius came ARR, Deva, Vidyasagar, why not all the musicians from north are 'inspired' by raja only. He's a phenomenon in this music world.
even though you say t Raja's impact on Hindi music was never great, all his greatest hits were 'inspired' into hits like 'dhak dhak', 'O priya priya' etc,to name a few. And to argue with timeperiod Raja inda century aaluppa. It's like comparing computer with marconi's radio. I mean comparing IR with MKTB.
- From: mfm (@ 203.120.115.1)
on: Thu May 28 04:55:24 EDT 1998
badri,
I am not trying to say that IR is TFM. But, I am very sad about those people who are so proud to claim that IR is not good anymore, forgetting about they would have enjoyed his music for such a long time. Also, they make mean comments about IR & IR fans. I do not want to mention any particular name. But in couple of topics suddenly(within 2 weeks) one DF member started to bash IR and his fans like anything and also made me to think that he is so proud about that. I did write a detailed response to those irresponsible comments, but at the last minute I decided not to post it. I was very disturbed then. Somehow, there was not any such responses in this topic so far.
- From: buddy (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg)
on: Mon Jun 1 00:06:02 EDT 1998
TFM without Raja....?? No way....
Raja is one MD who has reached masses in the nook and the corner of tamilnadu.
I think all the presentMD including A.R rehman are heavily influenced by his music.
- From: anand (@ antarctis-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se)
on: Mon Jun 1 07:27:18 EDT 1998
This is a very interesting topic. I have been thinking about this for quite a long time. If IR was not there. Nobody on earth would be in a position to save actors like mohan and our actor turned politician Ramarajan. Just imagine his films eg: karagattakaran, pattukaran and many more atleast a dozen with IR. Without IR Ramarajan's films Would have never made an impact.
I can go to the extent of saying IR was in many ways helpful in making Ramarajan a MP.
What to say about Mohan (my friends call him as mike mohan) in most of his films he would be carrying a mike. I would personally loved these actors to be in the screen for some more time, definitely not to see their faces only to hear some very good music from IR.
Without IR, Indian film industry would be very monotonous.
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