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The bitter truth about DEVA?

Topic started by Observer (@ spider-wc044.proxy.aol.com) on Mon Sep 28 20:54:53 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

DEVA has been making quite some waves (as against VS making quiet waves!) in TFM today. I am just back from india where i found how DEVA pulls masses and holds them with his reluctantly acceptable melodies.
When i spoke to my brother-in-law , (who is not so much addicted to TFM) he said DEVA is known copier. Even a kid who services tea to the bench-sitters in a tea shop readily quipped ' Deva-VA, Avar nalla copy adipar sir '. But the same kid goes dancing for 'Kothaval savadi lady nee koyambedu vadi ' from the film ' kannethire thondrinal'. When saw this film in a theater in trichy, the whole auditorium was shaking with people's whistles and dances for the song. Whether the mass support(!) for DEVA exists or not, he certainly makes them enjoy his tunes.
And to add to this truth, me being an objective lover of TFM( or any Music for that matter!), happen to record songs from some recent Tamil Movies on a CD from a recording shop. Believe it or not, 4 out of 5 songs i liked were songs composed by DEVA! The songs were from the following films,
1. Piriyamudan( bharathikku kannamma , poojavaa poojavaa )
2. Natpukkaga(garuda garuda, meesakara nanba)
3. Dharma(iru kangal pothathu)
4. Poonthottam(vanathu tharagayo)
5. kannethire thondrinal( chinna chinna, kanave kalaiyathe, easwara)

I could not be subjective, by ignoring DEVA songs for his so called plagiarism, for that I liked the melodies (Oh NO! , NOT the song 'kothaval savadi..') in the collections. Bharathikku kannamma, garuda garuda, chinna chinna kuyile all may sound like recycled stuff, and poojavaa is a copy from Gupt. But my mind (i.e conscience) readily accepts the melodies and i can not desist from humming the tunes. kanave kalaiyathe(i am not sure if this a recyle or copy) is an excellent tune. Though one may say he lifts tunes , i want to ask him(her) does that fact makes the song less popular, less molodious? Or does it make one feel like listening to the same song over and over? what kind of negative impact does it have on TFM lovers who have a genuine objective taste of songs? What is your school of thought got to say?

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• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.246) on: Wed Oct 7 15:07:24 EDT 1998
  
  srikanth
  u seem to be having new IP addresses now and then. difficult to recognise u here .
  the MD is supposed to be the 'whizkid' ARR.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.246) on: Wed Oct 7 15:21:36 EDT 1998
  
  srikanth,
  dacoit deva is perfect. for me when iam frustrated, screaming at deva clears my mood.
  is is a good kind of relaxation. so let this thread be here. whenever u are frustated in other threads u can always come here and pour u'r heart out!!!
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-76-81.sprint.ca) on: Thu Oct 8 02:41:28 EDT 1998
  
  I know that Deva copies. And yes it does upset me to see him getting credits for other peoples work. Yet how many of you enjoyed Kaadhal Kottai, Nerruku Ner, Aasai before you found out that it was copied. He is giving hit music, even though it is not his on. Come to think of, having been so aware of his reputation I feel sorry for the guy. If he were to make an excellent composition, I would still have doubts about its origin. But what really ticks me off is that some MD's, take credit for others work as though it was their own. Anyhow, all that apart, I think that right now Deva is the only one giving music that most people appreciate.
  
  
• From: Siva (@ 12.18.32.80) on: Fri Oct 9 04:17:31 EDT 1998
  
  Aruvi, I fully agree with you. Although it gives a small copying smell, Deva's latest songs are wonderful. Afterall he makes our mind healthy in whatever ways he could.
  
  
• From: Siva (@ 12.18.32.80) on: Fri Oct 9 04:18:05 EDT 1998
  
  Aruvi, I fully agree with you. Although it gives a small copying smell, Deva's latest songs are wonderful. Afterall he makes our mind healthy in whatever ways he could.
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Fri Oct 9 08:54:01 EDT 1998
  
  hi all. wow, deva sure seems to bring out the worst in people. imagine people finding screaming at deva therapeutic!!!! well, devavai MD-a naan mathikkarathillai. so i shall not enter the roaring debate, but shall watch from the aisles. keep the spleen flowing, guys, i am in splits. now that's therapeutic.
  
  btw, suzanna suzanna was not by ABBA but a vague band called the Art Company. never heard another song by this trashy band.
  
  
• From: PK (@ node1.allegiance.net) on: Fri Oct 9 16:26:37 EDT 1998
  
  
  school-la paritchai ezhutharappo, bit adikkaratha pudichittakka, paritchai-la fail paanidara maathiri, TFM compose pannaracha, DD copy adicha avarukku producer panam kudukka maatten appadinnu sollita eppadi irukku!!!!
  
  ithu mattum nadantha, enakku vai neraya halwa adachittaapole irukkum!!!!
  
  I think all fellow TFM Dfers will agree to this
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks14d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Fri Oct 9 16:40:20 EDT 1998
  
  PK:
  I certainly agree :-))))))))
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Sat Oct 10 05:43:12 EDT 1998
  
  PK,
  If that's the case, IR will be the only MD around ;-)))
  
  
• From: Observer (@ spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Oct 10 10:26:50 EDT 1998
  
  School vAthiyAr story is completely illogical in show business. It is those greedy producers who support his copying saga behind the scene. He does all to lure these producers who want hit music in any back-door manner. He will stop this only if producers/directors stop approaching his is true, but he seems to satisfy their of the business. Just look at the number of deewali-release movies (in new TFM review thread). 6 out of 10 movies listed there have MD as Deva!. 2 by IR , and SAR and VS 1 each. This itself speaks for this ugly episode continuing in TFM. At the same time IR is revolutionising Music industry with the help of Malayalam music industry. It is very sad for Tamils having lost him to another language. (I am certainly NOT against other language, but knowing only Tamil among the languages he composes makes me jealous!). It is high time one should think about these producers for not retaining him for experimentation in music. If one really wants to chase DEVA out of scene, these producers should back him(IR) for any kind of experimentation(project) he envisages.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.246) on: Sat Oct 10 14:37:04 EDT 1998
  
  observer,
  i agree with u to a certain extent. i think deva basically has little time to compose for so many films and that is the reason why he lifts BGM, interlude music etc. he is the one who thinks of phil collins, ofra haza etc. producers might not even know such names. but they just agree to whatever he does if it sounds good because they want their films to be released in time!!
  
  so the fault is both on deva and the producers. deva for first of all accepting such a large no. of films when he knows that his talents are very limited and the producers for agreeing to compromise on the quality of music.
  
  basically i feel that since deva has given a few hits and has established a position for himself in TFM he should start being more selective in accepting offers. he should not let himself be lured by the lucrative offers but should start thinking about quality like what ARR is doing.
  he should'nt let himself be called a poor man's ARR or IR! he should try and establish an identity of his own like what vidyasagar is doing.
  easier said than done!
  
  after all, everone can't be an IR!!!
  
  
  
• From: Observer (@ spider-wd042.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Oct 10 15:42:31 EDT 1998
  
  Vijay,
  regarding ARR i still reserve my comments , becuase he still has not got that penetration (break thru you may call) that IR has achieved since his first movie. The are various measures that helps one reach those heights, which IR probabaly has all of them. ARR has been only making technological usage so far. He seems to heavily rely technology for his compositions untill his album jeans. "Dil Se " is probably the first album, IMO , where he has not much experimented with technology. It is a wellcome change. He should continue to use any new technology without hampering the natural ingredients of melody. To tell you the truth, after listening to GURU, ARR seems to be some light years behind IR as for as orchestration is concerned. It will be interesting to see how he squares this album(GURU) with his next one (probably "En swasa kAtrE")
  
  
• From: GV (@ d12-fx01-lond-pdi.attcanada.net) on: Thu Oct 15 17:32:39 EDT 1998
  
  Deva has directed music for 6 of the 10 Tamil movies released for Deepawali (reviewd in today's HINDU).
  
  Copy or not, he must be doing something right!
  
  Details at:
  
  http://webpage.com/hindu/daily/981016/09/09160224.htm
  
  
• From: GV (@ d12-fx01-lond-pdi.attcanada.net) on: Thu Oct 15 17:34:27 EDT 1998
  
  Typo: "reviewed" not reviewd!
  
  
• From: Senthil (@ rm431.cs.usu.edu) on: Fri Oct 16 01:02:05 EDT 1998
  
  Deva is a significant music director, not only
  in tamil but also in Telugu.
  he has scored music for last 2 chiranjeevee's
  films .
  
  
• From: Deva_Basher (@ pup34.stanford.edu) on: Sat Oct 17 16:13:02 EDT 1998
  
  Yes : And he was the one who came up with the brilliant idea of letting Chiranjeevi sing, doubtless with disastrous results.
  
  Deva is like a contagious disease spreading across state boundaries!
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss08.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Nov 19 12:23:15 EST 1998
  
  I think Deva will be the one to break IR's record of 750+ movies (or whatever the final count will be). Do you agree ?
  
  
• From: Raju (@ pcthnt253.lgu.ac.uk) on: Thu Nov 19 15:46:13 EST 1998
  
  If asked I can give you songs that IR & ARR
  have copied. It's a done thing by all so don't
  just pick on Deva, please. I'm sure when I make my
  film somebody is going to say 'copy copy'!!!!
  
  
• From: 5ndhil valaiyaadhavan :-) (@ ss07.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Nov 19 16:01:19 EST 1998
  
  Raju, are you really making a film ?!!!! Why are you so sure that everybody is going to say 'copy copy' :-))))
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.73) on: Sat Nov 21 16:59:50 EST 1998
  
  deva might also enter the guiness book for being the 'composer' credited with the highest no. of copied songs!! (:-(
  
  
• From: easwaran hariharan (@ spider-tq034.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Nov 21 23:25:31 EST 1998
  
  guys,
  I think we are little bit harsh on deva. BTW, though the whole phenomeon of copying is new to TFM, we know it has been prevalant in HFM for
  a long time. It is a fact that producers, directors ask MDS to compose songs based on popular english songs, and this trend is catching in TFM only recently. We know Why IR copied Priya priya or kanavu kannum songs. If such a big shot like IR can not resist the pressure, how can we expect a MD like deva to say no. BTW, How many good films we had, which is completely original anyway?.
  IMO, in a lighter sense, selecting right songs to copy itself is a big art :-).
  If people in HFM are like us, RDB, by this time would have been thrashed to the dustbin.
  Deva is not doing that bad either, check out the
  second interlude in the song 'nilave katti parr' in the film vali. His mixing of 'kakai sirakinale' tune in the interlude is very cool.
  
  e,hari
  
  

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