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Even Vidhyasagar scores better BGM than Ilayaraaja these days

Topic started by Youth (@ 202.188.22.180) on Mon Jan 27 05:51:52 EST 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Just watched Anbey Sivam and Ramana. Both have disaster scenes.

In Anbey Sivam, there is a train collision. Kudos to the art director for such realistic settings. Vidhysaagar scores pretty good BGM and gave very good sound effects, that you really feel that you are at the scene of the accident.

By contrast, in Ramana there is a scene where the aprtments collapse. The setting was extremely bad and did not reflect reality. In a buidling collapse, you can see a lot of dust, but not in Ramana. VK looks like he just had a bath!
As for Ilayaraaja's BGM, it just shows that he has lost it. There was absolute silence!
OK, never mind the music. What about human sounds? Shouldn't there be moanings and cries in the aftermath of such a disaster? Abdolutely none!!!

Ilayaraja has stopped delivereing listenable songs and the only quality left in him was supposedly his BGM capability. But if this is his idea of BGM, it is better if he packs up and goes.

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• From: Youth (@ 210.186.61.106) on: Mon Jan 27 07:03:51 EST 2003
  
  What vayatherichal man?
  
  I am stating the facts of the case.
  If you have not seen both movies, please do and then comment.
  
  Why is it so difficult for people to swallow the cold hard fact that IR has lost it?
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 68.154.52.232) on: Mon Jan 27 07:17:02 EST 2003
  
  yeah..... keep on crying that "IR has lost it".... i have been hearing that for the last 10 or so years..... whatever.....
  
  and fyi, i did see "RAMANA" movie....
  
  
  
• From: selva (@ 172.179.136.33) on: Mon Jan 27 07:19:36 EST 2003
  
  Youth,
  
  Some clarifications of basic facts. What you have stated is about sound effects and not BGM. Sound effects are done by a different technician and not the MD. Sound effects and Music in movies are two different disciplines though both can occur simultaneously in some situation and not necessarily by the same person. Am I right?
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Mon Jan 27 07:28:27 EST 2003
  
  With due respect to IR on BGM and NOM to him, isn't youth talking about both here. He says VS scored music there with effective sound. In Ramana, it seems there is no sound at all. He mentions that there is no dust also when a building collapses....In that even isn't it a resposibility of some one in BGM department to do the filling of the gap.
  I haven't seen both the movies and I am commenting on the facts that youth has put in. Purely based on what he has written.
  If I see the movies and if I had to change my idea, then I will do so and acknowledge that here.
  I have that much courage atleast unlike many .
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 68.154.52.232) on: Mon Jan 27 08:05:17 EST 2003
  
  AY - have u heard an old saying "Sometimes SILENCE TALKS"..... well, just a reminder if you and YOUTH have not heard it.....
  
  and why are we expecting REALITY in VK's movie :-)
  
  
• From: Youth (@ 203.106.185.111) on: Mon Jan 27 09:26:02 EST 2003
  
  Selva, the sound effects are the responsibility of the MD. Each time the hero delivers a blow, the dishum sound is delivered by the MD. :)
  In fact in Ramana, the songs don't count and at least the BGM should have ably carried the movie. As Are Yaar says, the sound effects/BGM at such an important scene could have filled the gaps.
  
  Sabesan, SOMETIMES silence talks, not always. In this scene the SILENCE was too loud! :)
  As for reality, surely you know that Ramana was one of the better movies of last year - good story line, no overseas dancing with half hero's age heroine, no unnecessary, unrelated comedy etc.
  There were no scope for songs in the movie. The BGM should have spoken at least.
  
  
• From: AG (@ 198.232.250.51) on: Mon Jan 27 10:57:55 EST 2003
  
  Hmm.... there is an aberration and immediately VS becomes better BGM scorer than IR.
  
  
• From: vazhippOkkan ! (@ 12.96.7.17) on: Mon Jan 27 11:10:32 EST 2003
  
  'Effects' are totally different department, and the MD has nothing to do with it.
  
  It is done in a different studio. A guy with the scanned Beta copy of the movie in a computer and with a bunch of sound effects files, copies and pastes the effects (think of .WAV files) at the right spots...
  
  
• From: senthilv.com (@ 12.239.242.171) on: Mon Jan 27 11:25:20 EST 2003
  
  The Sound effects are created by Sound effects guy.
  The Sound Effects are edited by a Sound Editor.
  And it is designed by a Sound designer.
  It is not unusual to have all these three done by one man in Tamil films. Unlike early days of TFI now sound effects is not under MD.
  
  I haven't seen Ramana or Anbe Sivam. But on general note, you cannot give great score just for a building collapse(although our films try this in vain) The factor that determines the BGM depends on what happened before and what is going to happen afterwards. Basically, a "situation" has to develop gradually leading to mini-climax and then fade to have a good BGM.
  
  If this is confusing....
  We never say an actor cried beautifully, laughed well or looked sad or looked happy. We just say he acted well irrespective of his portrayal. It is kind off odd to say he cried great...because it isn't acting. Same goes for BGM...BGM shouldn't should sound like a "Sound" but it should "feel" apt the situation..
  
  This all depends on what the film Director has in his mind.
  
  
• From: ganesh (@ 61.11.81.0) on: Mon Jan 27 15:30:11 EST 2003
  
  u have to grow mr youth. U R STILL A KID.
  
  
• From: LM (@ 203.44.55.70) on: Mon Jan 27 16:04:42 EST 2003
  
  Please listen to BGM of Solla Marantha Kathai.
  I've seen Anbe Sivam and the aforementioned movie.
  I felt Ilayarajah brought out the emotions at the right time and the music really lifted the scenes.
  Anbe Sivam is okay but not to Solla Marantha Kathai's class.
  
  
• From: Narc (@ 66.138.141.159) on: Mon Jan 27 16:56:22 EST 2003
  
  Vidhya Sagar's copying techniques... were blatantly exposed in mallu movies.. He shamelessly copies IR's 80 music and uses it in mallu movies..
  
  
• From: Lollu Party (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Mon Jan 27 20:28:24 EST 2003
  
  Easy to accuse without proofs.
  
  Vidhyasagar rules in all aspects - songs and BGM.
  
  As for IR, he lost it a long time ago. No need for a Ramana to proof that he has lot it.
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.31.54) on: Mon Jan 27 21:22:15 EST 2003
  
  Yah yah yah whatever!!!!!! What authority does this dweeb named Youth have to make this kind of judgment?? I'm sorry to say, but VS's music, even if it is good, is mainly lifts! Lifts! Lifts! Lifts! For reference, listen to 'Nee Kaatru Naan...' from Nilaave Vaa, and tell me if it doesn't remind you of an older song! How about 'Oh Anbe...' from Vedham?? This song is nowhere near original! Also, I feel that the songs in Dhil stunk big time. I'm sorry to offend you Vidhyasagar fans, but it seems as though HE has lost it!
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.31.54) on: Mon Jan 27 21:25:40 EST 2003
  
  Oh yes, I'm not done yet. WHAT is great about 'Chikka Chikka Choy Ch-chikka chikka choy! Chikka Chikka Choy J-Enjoy!" or 'Alle Alle Alle Ohohoa!"???? What kind of class music is this??? Just amateurish... drek if you ask me!
  
  This is maybe the most retarded thread ever if you ask me!!
  
  
• From: Lollu Party (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Mon Jan 27 22:25:14 EST 2003
  
  The same authority you have taken yourself to promote the good-for-nothing Ilayaraja!
  Don't get offended with the phrase good-for-nothing. If IR can't do good songs and can't do good BGM, then he has to be a good-for-nothing MD.
  
  As for Vedham, Dhill and Nilaavey Vaa songs, they are a thousand times better than the insipid songs IR is delivering these days. Guess you can decide on the class of Ilayaraja songs now. :)
  
  This thread is by far the most courageous thread so far.
  I hope it moves people like you who are so stubborn in your views.
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 210.193.13.171) on: Mon Jan 27 22:48:32 EST 2003
  
  dear purv...
  
  in that case...can u explain..
  
  "lalake doll dappi ma..." what is that?....some unlisted Avvayar paadal?
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Tue Jan 28 00:00:53 EST 2003
  
  Hahaha.....
  
  Some nut came along and opened this thread and is trying to change a fact with its foolishness.
  
  First things first.
  Leave alone para(ya)ns, lollus, are yaarathus and other trolls who are all jumping onto the bandwagon trying their luck on 'downing' IR, the nut who started the thread doesn't even noe wat's its talking abt. I mean if this kadalai donno what is BGM and Special Sound Effects, do you wanna waste your time talking to it abt movies?....leave alone the topic on music and BGM. How childish can this get? No wonder they think of ARR as what they think he is.
  
  I guess we all have seen the same kinda stuff amateurish jibberish from all the other so called ARR-ites. Interesting to note tho'.
  
  :)
  
  
• From: LM (@ 203.44.55.70) on: Tue Jan 28 00:37:46 EST 2003
  
  FYI
  lalake doll dappi ma... is by Deva
  
  
• From: Lollu Party (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Tue Jan 28 00:46:08 EST 2003
  
  Looks like Ilayaraja has panicked and sent his favourite pet dog to come and bark!
  
  Saayam veluthupochu Mr. Ilayaraaja. YOU CANNOT FOOL EVERYONE ALL THE TIME!
  
  As Youth says, it is time you packed your bags and save whatever little dignity you have.
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 210.193.13.171) on: Tue Jan 28 00:55:53 EST 2003
  
  Ambleen.....we have hundreds of reasons to believe that u r a dog
  1) You bark at will
  2) You keep on barking eventhough nothings changing
  3) You bark again, and again....
  4) You keep on barking
  
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 210.193.13.171) on: Tue Jan 28 00:56:27 EST 2003
  
  And..oh yea...sorry abt the "Lalake doll dappi ma"..
  
  it's my fault...
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Tue Jan 28 01:12:43 EST 2003
  
  Believe me u,
  
  para(ya)n's and lollipop's essays go amiss to when they actually use the same excuse over & over again or donno how to reply/rebut to my posts. Ppl will see tat.
  
  Sorry, no guts no travel. So next time..shut up.
  
  :)
  
  
• From: Lollu Party (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Tue Jan 28 01:12:59 EST 2003
  
  Paran, nothing to feel sorry about. Ilayaraja has his share of Laalaakuloldappimaa...
  
  Maarugo maarugo maarugoyi jorugo jorugo
  
  Jingalajingaa zeebumbaa jingalajingaa
  
  Jingidi jingidi janakku
  
  Kakakakikikikukakakeykukukukeyke
  
  Jaanku jakku janakku jakku jaanku jakku jaan
  
  
• From: Lollu Party (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Tue Jan 28 01:21:08 EST 2003
  
  Paran, don't give chance to Ilayaraja's faithful dog to digress from the main issue.
  The half-breed uses the same tactic to divert people's attention from the issue at hand. Search say, 10 postings of this dog. I can bet with you that there is not even one posting with any readable value.
  
  If this dog had any bit of sense, it would have attempted to refute the statement made by Youth. It didn't either because Youth's statement is true or because it is a dog and is being loyal to its master.
  
  Draw your own conclusions. :)
  
  

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