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Kumudam opinion poll on IR vs ARR

Topic started by Subbiah (@ 192.39.1.92) on Wed Mar 7 14:18:35 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

There has always been a complaint in TFM DF that IR fans manipulate ratings etc.

Please visit the latest opinion poll conducted by Kumudam. IR wins by huge majority. If you find time, please read through the various opinions from all over the world. It is really amazing to find that we are not alone in praising IR - The Genius

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Responses:

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• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.152) on: Tue Jan 13 04:46:20 EST 2004
  
  that's what u said....
  
  ha ha ha...
  have fun then....
  
  it actually started the day u faced mirror my friend...anyway...i may have just added that fun a bit more to u..anyway.....enjoy ur day....
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.201.111) on: Tue Jan 13 05:30:52 EST 2004
  
  ambleen
  whenever u cannot defend IR cuz i blasted facts u will acuse me and divert the topic.
  nice answer indeed.
  
  Jacky: ambleen do u have anything to say about the copied songs by IR?
  Ambleen: IR is a musical genius, he's the ultimate!
  
  Jacky: But u could hear the songs yourself.
  AMbleen: IR is a musical genius he's the ultimate, rahman sucks.
  
  Jacky: Ambleen, whats the color of the sky?
  Ambleen: IR is a musical genius, he's the ultimate, rahman copies.
  Jacky: oh my gosh, thank you.
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.152) on: Tue Jan 13 05:54:30 EST 2004
  
  he he he ..if ever there is an interview with Ambleen ..this is how it would be
  
  
  Reporter(R) : Hi Ambleen
  Ambleen(A) : Hi
  R: How r u?
  A: AR Rahman sucks
  
  R: No, I asked how r u?
  A: I am fine, btu AR Rahman still sucks.
  
  R: I didn't ask anything abt ARR?
  A: Who cares, u don't know anything abt music. ARR sucks. IR is a genius
  
  R: I know IR is a genius, but ARR is good too
  A: No, only IR is genius. In fact he is more genius than u think he is. and ARR is good only in copying. ARR sucks
  
  R: Fine, IR is as genius as you said. But why u say ARR sucks?
  A: I don't you to admit that IR is a genius, he IS a genius, coz I said it!. ARR sucks
  
  R: Yea, why ARR sucks?
  A: Coz he copies English song. ARR sucks
  
  R: Which song?
  A: All of them, he simply sucks!
  
  R: You must point out at least 1 song, please
  A: Why should I, he sucks for me, and no one enjoys his music or thinks he is great
  
  R: But Manirathnam, Shankar, Subash Ghai, MF Hussain and many more great directors thinks ARR is great. What do u say?
  A: Who are these people u r mentioning. I said ARR sucks...so he must be sucking something
  
  R: Well, ok thanks for ur time
  A: Yea sure. ARR sucks!
  
  R: See ya
  A: ARR sucks!
  
  R: OK OK...whatever u say
  A: I DON'T CARE. ARR SUCKS!!!!
  
  R: OK OK...WHAT ARE YOU DOING DOWN THERE?
  A: WHAT ELSE.....heheheh I have been saying abt it all the while...why u didn't get my message anyway I already started doing it..so enjoy it...
  
  HA HA HA HA
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.200.84) on: Tue Jan 13 06:14:31 EST 2004
  
  rofl
  
  
• From: SteveSydney (@ 203.26.24.214) on: Tue Jan 13 06:50:22 EST 2004
  
  Ilayaraja - "KING Of MUSIC"
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 211.29.136.12) on: Tue Jan 13 07:46:24 EST 2004
  
  jakey,
  "i like IR but i dont worship him like u guys.
  He's not a reincarnation of any music god."
  
  yea!! same applies to ARR.
  
  " whenever u cannot defend IR cuz i blasted facts u will acuse me and divert the topic.
  nice answer indeed. "
  
  But you are the one first started to divert the topic. remember??? arr didnt give a single pure carnatic music topic??
  
  and jakey, what ambleen says is true.. these copying topic was discussed in and out long long time b4 in copying in tfm thread and several other threads.. so u better read all those thread first. its all there.. there we have given plenty of songs which arr has copied. english latin french, thevaram, geerthanai, old songs, hindi songs etc etc.. plenty of examples available.. so take ur time... go and read all the topics old responces and come back.
  
  as i say earlier arr fans keep quiet when they cannot defend thir self. after long time soodu arina piraku they come and start their old palavi again.. and there will be no one to talk against them bcause the ppl who activly wrote answer at that time will not be here anymore..
  
  
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.201.96) on: Tue Jan 13 08:38:23 EST 2004
  
  Raj,
  i might have been wrong in saying kanodu kanbethellam, i accepted it.
  
  i never worship ARR, read the other threads ive accepted whenever ARR lifted usage of instruments or a theme.
  
  ppl like u are just crybabies.
  who cant take the hard fact!
  
  
  i am not biased towards any single MD, thats unlike u and ambleen.
  
  plagiarism is there in TFM since time immemorial.
  And nobodys perfect that includes IR,MSV,ARR.
  
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.201.96) on: Tue Jan 13 08:41:11 EST 2004
  
  by ur logic raj,
  Deva should have gone places by now, he's in there last 10 years and lifted so many numbers directly.
  i dunno whats stopping him.
  
  
• From: srinivas (@ 210.214.131.246) on: Tue Jan 13 13:40:05 EST 2004
  
  A MESSAGE TO ALL IR FANS.
  
  ARR destroyed IR's career is a fact, in the last 10 years how many albums of IR beat ARR in the sales.
  Kadulu mariyathai sold well. So was Sethu.
  How many songs in friends were good?
  Remember the Kumudam article by Kalaipuli thanu he said Kamal wanted to sell the music of Abhay to a particular company because they paid for Hey ram and it didn't sell well, he even showed the 500 rs advance that the music company gave Thanu.
  
  Poor IR couldnt do well in a period film but ARR gave a similar period film Laagan soul stirring music that sold like hot cakes all over India and the world.
  
  
  After a brilliant Thalapathy, IR should have been offered hindi film music, i don't know why nobody offered IR a decent good budget hindi film.
  probably they thought he cant do it.
  
  Water finds its own level, similarly Talent cant be contained.
  IR can never give hindi music with authenticity that ARR gave.
  
  ARR graduated from TFM to HFM and now world music.
  IR is still here in TFM.
  
  IR did earn a lot of money till 92, so after that he should have done less work, make sure each song is heard everywhere, he should please both the masses and classes.
  He didnt he was self obsessed with his music, that proved so bad to his career.
  
  Manirathnam dropped him off after a great album like Thalapathy, Balachander doesnt work with him and so is his dear buddy Bharitiraja.
  All the regulars with IR dumped him and his music, so after thalapathy a possible uprising graph went downwards, its going down every day which spoils his reputation.
  
  Take an exaple of balu mahendra, his previous films like mundram pirai and eratai val kuruvi has good music but why did IR gave tunes like he did for raman abdullah and julee ganapathy.
  Weren't the tunes of these two films show any class?
  
  Why isn't IR unable to give the music he did in the past to Balu mahendra?
  he lost his pace and creativity is for sure.
  IR fans : dont talk about the few songs he gave in 10 years, if IR made 150 films in last ten years for example that is about 700-800 songs just citing 10-15 songs doesnt make any sense - realise.
  
  IR has become a kanathu thavalai, all IR fans realise this but they are unable to bear it.
  I feel sorry for them.
  
  Kamal says IR is the best but why did Kamal invite ARR to do the unity of light concert in chennai to raise funds for cancer institute? he could have asked IR to do the same but kamal being a good business man realises that IR hasnt given a great deal of superb tunes in the recent times and he is not a crowd puller. IR fans think about it.
  This will show the true position of how IR is in TFM.
  
  I read a post if society doesnt accept IR's music then they are missing something, let me tell you music is beyond any religion, even an uneducated man can tap his foot or hum to a good tune so if IR cannot produce great tunes in regular frequency people will forget him.
  for example:
  Remember the Titanic song - every night in my dreams, even uneducated persons were whistling that song - IR fans your reasons are just funny.
  
  Talent finds its level - it can never be contained.
  IR fans dont find lame excuses - your brains will accept it but not your heart.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: * (@ 161.114.64.74) on: Tue Jan 13 14:48:43 EST 2004
  
  Srinivas = 1 aka sureshmechnit = jk aka Jay??? :)
  
  
• From: srinivas (@ 210.214.132.171) on: Tue Jan 13 15:11:55 EST 2004
  
  NOPE I AM NOT THE ONE YOU THINK
  
  
• From: . (@ 161.114.64.74) on: Tue Jan 13 15:34:29 EST 2004
  
  no doubt about it, they were much better
  
  
• From: srinivas (@ 210.214.132.171) on: Tue Jan 13 15:36:06 EST 2004
  
  SAY THEY WERE MILDER NOT BETTER
  
  TRUTH IS HARD TO BITE
  
  
  
• From: raj (@ 211.29.136.12) on: Tue Jan 13 23:35:27 EST 2004
  
  Jakey, If you accept arr didnt give pure carnatic songs, then there is no fight between you and me.. i dont worship ir. abt copying.. ir copied 2% of his songs.. 5% may be inspired, ARR 10% copy, 40% inspired, deva 75% copy, 25% inspired.
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.2.224.91) on: Wed Jan 14 02:33:49 EST 2004
  
  lets ditch ARR argument, how did you obtain stats about IR?
  lets say he made 3500 songs, can you post the 70 songs he copied, this is not to degrade IR, as often i tell i u that like IR but i like ARR too.
  just for curiosity sake im asking you.
  By the way a little point to add IR rehashed his songs more often the ARR
  say for example Vanathe pola from chinna koundar and onkuthama ... at some point tend to resemble the other.
  so, my point is this rehash dilutes the stat you've given about IR.
  Just a health argument please i am really tired about the history in this thread.
  if you posted these stats on random, ok u dunn have to explain it.
  Thanks.
  
  
• From: x (@ 156.153.254.41) on: Wed Jan 14 03:06:41 EST 2004
  
  amleen :
  what ARR and other do is a copy from others.
  IR has used the tunes only bcoz of request from producers and directors and rest orcestration and arrangements are his very original not like ARR and others.
  Evev Deva does a better job than ARR manytimes.
  
  
  

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