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Topic started by Rush (@ 216.90.226.2) on Fri Mar 22 11:12:16 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Someone told me that KR composed music for 16 december. Is there a place where I could listen to those songs ?

Responses:

From: oosai (@ 63.115.132.3) on: Fri Mar 22 11:56:55 EST 2002

http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2002/mar/22dec16.htm
From: senthil (@ 136.148.1.94) on: Fri Mar 22 12:23:52 EST 2002

can u plz tell the sight and location.i too wanted to listen to the songs.some body plz tell me.
From: oosai (@ 63.115.132.3) on: Fri Mar 22 13:12:29 EST 2002

http://167.216.192.98/infotainment/cinema/dresscircle/dresscirclestory467.shtml
From: kk (@ 61.11.78.24) on: Sat Mar 23 08:12:00 EST 2002

dil mera banjara-exotic song by kr,very authentic melody,well done kr.
From: Normal Man (@ 199.207.253.96) on: Mon Mar 25 18:11:57 EST 2002

Are the songs online somewhere?
From: G (@ 12.146.128.15) on: Tue Mar 26 19:07:36 EST 2002

bayarea's radio (FM90.1) program mostlytamil ( http://www.mostlytamil.com ) is going to have a special program with Karthik Raja soon. I don't know the full details. If you have questions for KR, you can email them to askspecialguest@mostlytamil.com (I hope I got that right). Maybe their website will give more details.
From: vanan (@ 203.106.116.175) on: Tue Mar 26 22:50:15 EST 2002

KR New project "Touch"
Starring: ArunKumar (6 different role)
From: no jalra (@ 61.11.74.10) on: Thu Mar 28 04:11:08 EST 2002

'16 December flick does look slick-chic. But that's it. Karthik Raja's music is hopelessly bland and tame... '-filmfare online review.

http://filmfare.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?artid=4849843
From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Thu Mar 28 06:39:04 EST 2002

>>>But that's it. Karthik Raja's music is hopelessly bland and tame...

No Jalra:
I do not want toi comment on any thing here. But, just one request. Don't post this link in all other threads, like those few HCIRF do when they find thing interesting to them about ARR,.

I think you (others too) will understand.
From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Thu Mar 28 06:40:16 EST 2002

>>>few HCIRF
I said only few, not all.

So don't bounce on me.

yappa..danger...
From: 12bums (@ 210.214.115.220) on: Thu Mar 28 10:13:57 EST 2002

'Bland and tame' review is by Khalid Mohammed, the well known Times of India reviwer. He must be some sornai illaatha jenmam.

I think the adjectives he used would have been better used to describe the movie he made recently - 'Fiza'.

Intha maathiri pasangathaan, intha maathiri reviews kodukkarathu.
From: S (@ 128.107.253.44) on: Fri Mar 29 04:28:56 EST 2002

khalid mohammed is known for his biases towards the khans...He's been criticised by quite a few ppl for that. This fool gave gupt some 4 marks or sthg !! Can u believe this guy said minnalE's song s are "typical dinchak" type of music....while anu malik in asoka, recreates the music of mauryan era !!! 4.5 or 5 stars for a piece of SH*T called Asoka !
From: KM (@ 202.71.153.161) on: Fri Mar 29 13:18:15 EST 2002

Well said S! Khalid Mohammed also calls Kamal Hassan a self-indulgent narcissist and calls GOvinda a better actor!

KM is a big time mother f*cker, a true maadhar chodh of the first order - th*lukka the*adiyaa pa*yyan
From: pandian (@ 148.87.1.171) on: Fri Mar 29 14:42:06 EST 2002

Is Dilmera based on a raaga? if yes can some let me know the raaga please.

Thanks
From: 16 (@ 172.180.121.230) on: Fri Mar 29 14:55:51 EST 2002

negative review also by Samachar.com on KR's music. has anyone heard the songs or the seen the movie? your opinion?
From: Peter Pan (@ 64.213.155.233) on: Fri Mar 29 15:09:20 EST 2002

Pandian,
Dil mera is in Raga Hamsanadham. And Sadhana Sargam has done a good job rendering it. The solo violin and tyhe overall arrangement is amazing!
As usual the northies ignored this melody! In fact some reviewers of the movie went to the extent of calling it bad music! That's the taste!!!

Other good examples of songs in Hamsa Nadham are:(I think IR is the only one who has handled this raga in so many songs)

1. Sorgame Endraalum (Ooru vittu ooru vandhu)
2. Om Namaha (Idhayathai Thirudhathe)
3. Isayil Thodanguthamma (Hey Ram)
4. Minnaaram Maanathu (Guru-Malayalam)
5. Thendral Vandhu Ennai Thodum (Thendrale Ennai Thodu)

Karthik Raaja used this raga in a Kannada film (Hoo Anthiya Ooohoo Anthiya) "Chanda Ee Chanda" is a wonderful song, sung impeccably by Madhu Balakrishnan.
From: pandian (@ 148.87.1.171) on: Fri Mar 29 17:39:28 EST 2002

Thanks Peter Pan.
From: pandian (@ 148.87.1.171) on: Fri Mar 29 17:40:07 EST 2002

Thanks Peter Pan.
From: ahi (@ 202.180.83.6) on: Mon Apr 1 15:40:15 EST 2002

review from Chennaionline:

Another department that gets completely sidelined in the process is music. There seems to be no scope for the songs and the tracks seem forced on the storyline.
From: IsaiAdimai (@ 132.170.185.90) on: Mon Apr 1 19:18:19 EST 2002

Peter Pan,

All the songs that u said, are NOT in HAMSANADHAM. coz, HAMSANADHAM doesn't have a "DHA". Check it again.
From: Ganesh (@ 172.183.179.201) on: Tue Apr 2 01:28:58 EST 2002

Isai Adimai, actually Peter PAn is correct. Hamsanadham does have a Dha. Its arohanam is S R M P D N S. It is a Vivadi Raaga that features Chatsruthi DHa as opposed to chathusruthi Dha. It is in effect Dha 3
From: Isai Adimai (@ 132.170.108.2) on: Wed Apr 3 17:52:01 EST 2002

Ganesh

Tell me one Keerthana that is of raaga, Hamsanadham and has a Dha in it. I am 200% sure, it doesn't have a Dha.
From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.252.145) on: Wed Apr 3 21:15:36 EST 2002

Isai Adimai,
HamsanAdham doesn't have Dha.
It is a janya ragam of Neetimathi.
ArOhaNam: S R2 M2 P N3 S
AvarOhaNam: S N3 P M2 R2 S

'Pantu Reeti' is a popular Tyagayya kriti in this rAgam.
However I stand by my above listing of film songs.
They are all set to HamsanAdham. I'd appreciate it if you could show me the exact places where 'Dha'ivatam shows up in all the above songs.
Thanks
From: IsaiAdimai (@ 132.170.209.64) on: Fri Apr 5 09:32:32 EST 2002

Peter Pan,

check out the caps in the following lyrics. Those are the places where, Dha is seen.

Sorgame enraallum adhu naMOOORA pOlavaruma.
isaIyil thoDANgudamma viRAha naaDAgame.
thenRAL vandu ennai thodum. aaha saTHAM inri mutham idum.

I am pretty sure, there is a raaga as Hamsanadham+DHa. I am trying to get its name.
From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.253.81) on: Fri Apr 5 16:33:02 EST 2002

IsaiAdimai,
Thanks for pointing out the DHAs in the 3 songs.

But I understand that the original Hamsanadham is not pentatonic, and is supposed to have Dha3, as pointed out by Ganesh earlier. It's a janyam of Neetimathi (60th Melakartha raga). The omission of 'Dha3' is said to be a recent trend. Looks like IR has deployed the 'original' HamsanAdham in most songs :)

Here's an excerpt from R.S. Lakshmi Narayanan's article, where he's discussed 'Thendral Vandhu Ennai Thodum' in detail:

"The beauty of the prathi madhyamam can be well appreciated in ragas like Hamsanadham. There has been quite a good discussion about this ragam for a while in rmic. It will become hackneyed to recapitulate it once again. Just to present the gist of the material: Originally a Neethimathi janyam and hence using Sa Ri2 Ma2 Pa Da3 Ni3 Sa (and the converse as avarohanam), it later became reduced to a pentatonic ragam when singers practically preferred to eschew the usage of shatsruthi daivatham (Da3). Thus, the Hamsanadham that we hear nowadays seem to be a janyam of Kalyani, instead of the 60th melakartha Neethimathi."
From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.253.81) on: Fri Apr 5 16:40:03 EST 2002

More on Hamsanadham and its DHA issue:
http://forumhub.com/indcmusic/7769.10.05.59.html

...From RMIC...

Hamsanadham

There is some conjecture whether Shatsruthi Dha occurs in this ragam or not. It is a janya ragam of mele 60, Nithimati. It is one of those janya ragams that is more popular than its parent.

I have seen the arohana/avarohana as
S R2 M2 P D3 N3 S / S N3 D3 N3 P M2 R2 S
This makes it a vivadi raga.

The Net raga list (http://www-bsac.eecs.berkeley.edu/~ksanthan/ragalist.txt)
lists it as:
|60| S R2 M2 P N3 S | S N3 P M2 R2 S

In this case, if D3 occurs, it can be considered to be just a gamaka
from N3!

This raga has become popular because of Thyagaraja's
Bantureethi Kolu in this ragam. I am not sure if the
Dha occurs in this piece. Chembai Vaidyanatha Bhagavathar's
recording of this krithi was probably one of the first.
Chitti Babu's recording of this was probably one of the first
Carnatic music pieces I was exposed to!
I don't think there are compositions by Dikshitar or Shyama
Sastri in this ragam.

I am also aware of two GNB compositions:

1. Dasashatadala
2. Bharama Ee baluni brova

I have been taught the latter without the Dha but the notation
in the GNB book shows that it does occur. Sanjay Subramahmanyan
makes the point that many of the compositions in the GNB book
have been completed (or at least notated) by S. Kalyanaraman, who
was a proponent of the use of D3 in Hamsanadham.

The Dha occurs at the end of the chitta swaram for Dasashatadala and creates
a very nice effect. (NS'NDN) Again, it is unclear if the chitta
swaram is GNB's own or has been added by Kalyanaraman or someone else.

Madhyamakala kalpana swaras also sound good in this ragam.
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from Sangeetham.com (sangeetham talk old format)

The arohana/avarohana of hamsanadam are:

s-r2-m2-p-d3-n3-s s-n3-d3-n3-p-m2-r2-s

and is a janyam of the 60th mela, Nithimathi.

However, the vivadi swaram, d3 is generally avoided while rendering this ragam. A good discussion on this is available in Sangeetha Kalanidhi T. V. Subba Rao's book `Studies in Indian Music' in the chapter on the `Vachamagochara and Banturithi'.

Another ragam where the vivadi swara is generally avoided is Amrithavarshini
From: Guru (@ 210.186.103.5) on: Tue Apr 9 17:13:02 EDT 2002

the tracks..
1. Theme Music - Kartick Raja
2. Dil Mera Ek Tara - Sadhana Sargam
3. Main Cheez Badi Hoon Chaalu - Shaan
4. I Am A Cool Cat - Shaan, Subhiksha
5. Dil Ye Tera - K.K.
6. Dhuan Dhuan Sa - Milind Soman ,ChitraSivaraman
7. Chim Chimiya - Sapna Awasthi
From: S (@ 128.107.253.44) on: Wed Apr 10 04:11:09 EDT 2002

Guru,
Howz the theme ?
From: oosai (@ 65.102.228.146) on: Mon Apr 15 13:44:11 EDT 2002

1. Theme Music - Kartick Raja
2. Dil Mera Ek Tara - Sadhana Sargam
3. Main Cheez Badi Hoon Chaalu - Shaan
4. I Am A Cool Cat - Shaan, Subhiksha
5. Dhuan Dhuan Sa - Milind Soman ,ChitraSivaraman

Are only tracks by Karthik Raaja. The other two tracks are by some other MD.
1. Dil Ye Tera - K.K. (Other MD)
2. Chim Chimiya - Sapna Awasthi (Other MD)
From: oosai (@ 65.102.228.146) on: Mon Apr 15 13:45:06 EDT 2002

Guru,
Where did you listen?. Is the cassette available in US anywhere?.

Hari,
Where did you listen to these tracks.
From: Guru Vs Karma (@ 210.186.103.73) on: Mon Apr 15 15:00:59 EDT 2002

Pls Check out in ....http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/XX01000Q09
From: oosai (@ 63.231.74.61) on: Mon Apr 15 19:02:38 EDT 2002

Karma,
Thanks for the link...Dil mera ek tara is SIMPLY MIND BLOWING
From: saregamaremix (@ ) on: Wed Dec 18 10:16:09 EST 2002

A review of 16 december score, is available at
Karthik Raaja Lounge..

http://browser.to/karthikraja

drop by and sign in the guestbook.

regards
saregamaremix
From: Krishnan (@ 202.54.13.34) on: Wed Dec 18 16:33:21 EST 2002

Hi,

Does anyone have the mp3 version of "Dil mera ek tara". Its a very good song. Nowhere its available on the net.

Krishnan
From: saregamaremix (@ 68.36.28.149) on: Sat Dec 21 08:13:19 EST 2002

hi krishnan,

do let me know where you are located, and if you would be interested in purchasing an authentic CD or cassette of 16 december.

u cld e-mail me.
thanks & regards
saregamaremix

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