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Why ARR's music does NOT make an impact on the very first instance of listening?

Topic started by Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on Mon Aug 5 07:31:53 EDT 2002.
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I am great fan of both IR, ARR, but with most of ARR's albums, you will have to listen to it over & over again to like the tune, but this was (not now) not the case with IR songs.

take Baba for instance, I never liked it initialy but I started to like the songs, once I have listen to it several times?

Why ARR's music does NOT make an impact on the very first instance of listening?

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Responses:

• From: Sankar (@ 216.40.48.20) on: Mon Aug 5 07:46:10 EDT 2002
  
  I listened several times, but still I am not able to like Baba songs. If you are sayint that you like baba songs, then I think you are cheating yourself. Can you belive this much money for these type of songs??. If you like baba songs, then all the songs from other movies are also good.
  
  
• From: Sankar (@ 216.40.48.20) on: Mon Aug 5 07:47:13 EDT 2002
  
  sayint should read saying
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Mon Aug 5 08:20:58 EDT 2002
  
  Shankar;
  
  I like Baba, but i don't love it, but songs like "sangamam", "kadhalar dhinam", "duet", "roja"...I loved it big time @ first hear!
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.162.201) on: Mon Aug 5 08:27:42 EDT 2002
  
  Sankar:
  
  good view
  
  
• From: hbz (@ 203.199.228.153) on: Mon Aug 5 08:39:53 EDT 2002
  
  BABA was great in 1st hearing itself ! fliplo n shankar hate arr 2 the core , and i feel those r the type of guys who cheat themselves BIG TIME.....i ll be suprised if they come up in life (which i really think they wont) cos they r used 2 cheating themselves ,as well as other, by saying nonsense
  
  
• From: Shaju (@ 213.42.1.171) on: Mon Aug 5 08:52:07 EDT 2002
  
  first time the songs were irittating...
  but now all the songs r very good..
  i started to love these songs...
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Mon Aug 5 09:27:52 EDT 2002
  
  hbz;
  
  I am not the kinda guy who appreciates any junky stuff. Instead of saying I hate ARR(music), say you like ARR to the core. That may justify your statement. What's that I come up in life blah blah..Check your bp man?
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Sankar (@ 216.40.48.20) on: Mon Aug 5 09:29:30 EDT 2002
  
  hbz:
  Can you tell me which one is good out of these:
  Annamalai, Arunachalam, Padayappa and Baba?
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Mon Aug 5 09:43:36 EDT 2002
  
  Shankar;
  
  I c what u mean, ARR + Rajni combo is not very good, hence I would say
  
  1) Annamalai > Arunachalam > padaiyappa > baba
  
  but, hey let's stick to the thread & leave super * out of it, hehe :)
  
  
• From: me (@ 202.4.190.67) on: Mon Aug 5 10:26:26 EDT 2002
  
  FROM NDTV.COM
  
  Movie hysteria: Rajnikant fans await the Aug 15 release of Baba
  
  "…for us a Rajnikant release is like Diwali, or Pongal. He is our leader and hero, his film is everything for us…"
  
  Sunday, August 4, 2002 (Chennai):
  
  Rajnikant Fans across Tamil Nadu are gearing up for August 15. Not just to celebrate Independence Day, but also for the release of the super stars film Baba .
  
  Rajnikant's last release was Padayappa in 1999. And Baba is his much hyped come back movie all set to hit over a hundred theaters in Tamil Nadu on August 15.
  
  The movie, scripted by the star himself has music by A R Rahman and has already sold more than 4.5 lakh cassettes.
  
  "The audio response has been good and we are sure the film will be a hit," says Poonam Chowdhary of Star Music.
  
  And Rajnikant's fans have already started queuing up with special Baba coupons which gives them preference while buying tickets.
  
  While a Rajnikant movie usually guarantees some politically charged dialogues, fans hope that Baba, scripted by the star himself, would finally answer speculation about Rajnikant's entry into politics.
  
  "Tell us. Tell us in one word that you are entering politics. We are dying to hoist your flag and fulfill your dream," exclaims a fan.
  
  "For us a Rajnikant release is like Diwali or Pongal. He is our leader and hero. His film is everything for us," says another upbeat fan.
  
  But even before it's release Baba has had it's share of controversies. Some Dravidian groups had objected to a particular song in the movie. And Rajnikant even had the song rewritten to avoid a confrontation.
  
  Though for Rajnikant's fans nothing seems to matter as long as they get to watch the movie 'first day first show'.
  
  
• From: me (@ 202.4.190.67) on: Mon Aug 5 10:28:41 EDT 2002
  
  http://www1.ndtv.com/andfinally/showandfinally.asp?slug=Rajni%27s+comeback+film+to+release+on+Aug+15&id=977
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 166.102.198.8) on: Mon Aug 5 11:22:24 EDT 2002
  
  No doubt ARR is a Good and sometimes Very good. But it is too much hype going on for BABA. I'm not able enjoy the songs but for Raajyama and Baba kichu thaa.
  Why people force themselves to say the songs are good. The way shankar mahadevan pronounces BABA is anoying. I'm happy that Sukwinder did not sing the song.
  My guess is that ARR did not show commitment towards BABA songs. None of the songs can go near Oruvan Oruvan Mudhalaali, Kuluvaalile, Singa Nadai potu.
  
  
• From: Idhueppadiirukku (@ 65.69.57.92) on: Mon Aug 5 11:32:35 EDT 2002
  
  Shruthi nalla irukkanumpa!!! chumma kandadyum tunea potta eppadi pidikkum. Music has to come from heart not head!! Enga schoo prayer kooda arambathula pidikkala. 1000 dadava kettavudana pidichudhu. But i can't listen to Baba songs 2000 times before i start liking it!!
  
  
• From: jt (@ 209.246.110.84) on: Mon Aug 5 12:28:13 EDT 2002
  
  good music will make an impact at first time ....some of arrs music made impact at the first time..some of them didn't and we liked it after watching the movie..the same thing happens to deva ,ysr ,kr etc..when we look at in a musical way baba songs are okkay ..maybe any other will do better job...
  
  
• From: hbz (@ 210.214.1.161) on: Mon Aug 5 13:28:27 EDT 2002
  
  hello
  songs r very very gud and i just cant accpet 2 ur comment its coz am an arr fan...almost every1 of us loved.....infact if i dont like ny songs i would say i didnt....infact some albums(in tamil) from arr was not that gr8 ....so it doesnt mean a fan is the who needs 2 appreciate music....i like it coz BABA has heavenly music.simply superb and melodious tunes by arr...try 2 bring out positive things or just leave....dont defame ny 1 thats the 1 am coming 2 say....bye.....
  
  
• From: JJ (@ 65.69.59.154) on: Mon Aug 5 15:23:18 EDT 2002
  
  ARR oru GNana Sunyam!!! That is the reason. That's why he takes more time to compose!! Just tell me to get a tune out of your heart how much time it takes. 1 hour 2 hours. Max. half a day. Our ARR takes 7 days!!! Still we only get dippu dippu, maya chaya coffee dikashan songs... ARR fans are also Gana Sunyams!!
  
  
• From: innor gana ulla Sunyam (@ 80.18.51.178) on: Mon Aug 5 16:28:08 EDT 2002
  
  JJ, kalakareenga epi sar unga urla doctorillaiya, atleast witch doctor?
  ARR fans are also -- agamotham ulagame Gana Sunyam nu!! solareenga, udane nalla doctora paranga.dippu dippu is nothing but pidipidi!...intha pAtu superhit Aga pOgudhu unga paithiyam nalla muthi poi thala therika Oda pOringa..jollyA nanga ellam kaitatuvom.
  unga alu "Ivan" oru periya pela utuirukare...atha vida baba music better music!
  
  
• From: To the ilk of JJ (@ 132.235.229.90) on: Mon Aug 5 16:49:26 EDT 2002
  
  Good music need not always make best impression at the first hearing. Music is both for our pleasure and our appreciation. And sometimes, the more knowledgeable and more talented ur, the less time it takes to appreciate a piece.
  
  When i first heard the song Jagada Jagadam from the telugu movie geethanjali (Idayathey Thirudaathey, not sure of the song name in tamil, cud be vidiya vidiya), I cud not notice that the scale is not the usual minor scale, (theres a half note after the tonic (Sa), instead of the usual full note). Then it was wrong with my ear, not the music.But if ur ear is so trained, u cud have got that difference then and there. Another example is the Kannathil Muthamittal title song. Another different kind of song is Kathal rojave, none of SPB's lines end on the notes of the tonic chord. A person who is not familiar abt counterpoint, may not appreciate the interludes in Sangeetha Megam or Edhedho ennam. So as far my experiences count, talent and knowledge do help in appreciating a song better, and it does take time sometimes.
  
  So a humble request to u: if u don find a song interesting, try givin it a couple of hearings, and if u still don like it, ignore it and listen to the ones u like, instead of wasting time to call others names.
  
  
  
• From: JJ (@ 65.69.59.154) on: Mon Aug 5 17:20:47 EDT 2002
  
  Well !!! yea mr. i gave a couple of hearings it still sucks!! But the songs have more scope to make fun of!!
  
  
• From: TO JJ again (@ 132.235.19.69) on: Mon Aug 5 17:50:55 EDT 2002
  
  Dude JJ, I never talked abt the Baba songs above. I was just talkin in general, responding to ur opinion that a song has to be liked at the first hearing.
  
  Now on a second thought, I wonder why I ever wanted to get into an arguement with you. Sorry to bother u.
  
  
• From: pragash (@ 24.101.202.207) on: Mon Aug 5 19:43:30 EDT 2002
  
  In response to the above topic..
  
  Well what I personaly feel is, ARR uses a lot of fusion in his music. His songs hardly fall in to one particular pattern (Raaga).
  
  Such music will always take time to make an impact on an average listener, who is so used to the tunes of MSV and IR who always stick to a particular pattern.
  
  This explains another point, for the listeners who are used to the western/fusion music, ARR songs will be good even at the first instance of listening. Thats why his songs are so popular internationally.
  
  Finally.. there is nothing wrong with ARR songs, its just that the listeners of his songs are not used to this type of music.
  
  
• From: pragash (@ 24.101.202.207) on: Mon Aug 5 19:46:37 EDT 2002
  
  I would like to add, MAJORITY of his listeners are not used to his type of music.
  
  
• From: MilkMan_Automan (@ 129.49.81.18) on: Mon Aug 5 20:48:11 EDT 2002
  
  YOW, ETTHANAI THADAVAYA SOLRADHU.....BABA SONGS WASTE.....NOT AT ALL FIT FOR SUPER*....
  
  ARR ENNA RAJINIYA KUNALNU NNINAICHUTANA?
  
  PONAA POGATTUM....PAIYAN LONDONLA IRUKKAN...ILLA AS THEY DID FOR DEVA....THEY WOULD HAVE BURNT HIS EFFIGY AGAIN...AS DONE FOR PADAYAPPA.
  
  PONGADA....THALAIVAR PAATA KEDUTHU THOLAICHITUNGALE.....:(
  
  
• From: At last, the truth comes out... (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Mon Aug 5 20:59:19 EDT 2002
  
  From: JJ (@ 65.69.57.92) on: Mon Aug 5 11:22:53 EDT 2002
  
  
  Well i can see some interesting and desperate comments from IR fans.
  
  

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