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Which combination is better - Ilaiyaraja & S Janaki or R D Burman & Asha Bhonsle

Topic started by Rajesh (@ 203.126.40.254) on Thu Oct 18 02:01:54 EDT 2001.
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Each music director has his trump card singer. Obviously the two music directors who have ruled India are Ilaiyaraja & R D Burman, even though they were catering to a different set of audiences. Both of them had experimented heavily on their respective favourite singers - S Janaki and Asha respectively. While I always feel that IR-SJ combination is terrific, all my North Indian friends feel that there can never be a combination like RDB-AB. What do you think? I do not want a TFM-HFM war here

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Responses:

• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Thu Oct 18 02:17:44 EDT 2001
  
  Hi, I am a Northie here. I frankly feel the IR-SJ combination stands out. IR was a genius. RDB was quite a copy-cat. The number of songs he has copied is quite a bit. Moreover I like SJ as a singer a bit more than Asha.
  
  RDB has composed very few classical songs, unlike IR who has really studied classical music in depth - both Carnatic and Western.
  
  
• From: bengali (@ 203.126.40.254) on: Thu Oct 18 04:15:36 EDT 2001
  
  I feel there is no one in this world to give music other than Burman da. Burman da is the best and hence RDB-AB combination is best
  
  
• From: man (@ 202.144.73.33) on: Thu Oct 18 04:19:22 EDT 2001
  
  this is going to be a real good thread...if we all participate with good intentions... & arguments..
  RDB is revered in HFm, personally i do not know which song sbelongs to RD, even though i listen to hindhi songs...may be he did not have a unique feel of his songs as IR had... IMO.
  
  SJ & asha...i feell asha is better...SJ shrieks some times at high pitches...
  
  
  
  
  
• From: jagan (@ 61.11.73.84) on: Thu Oct 18 04:43:56 EDT 2001
  
  Undoubtedly IR-SJ combination stands beyond comparison for the simple reason being IR's versatile compositions and the variety of songs he had delivered.Can any body imagine a song like idu oru nila kalam from tick tick tick or azhagu ayiram from ullasa paravaigal or Ponvaanam panner thoovuthu from Indru nee nalai naan...
  
  RD is certainly a good composer and his songs with AB are hits. What is the variety he has shown ? People say that he was a trend setter in terms of popularising western music.
  
  IR is a less influenced composer as compared to others and he introduced a new harmony to the film music and hence his combination with SJ were outstanding be it classical or any other form of music.
  
  Since HFM has an international acclamation RDB& AB are talked about so much...
  
  
  
  
• From: TNS (@ 203.199.232.253) on: Thu Oct 18 04:58:36 EDT 2001
  
  Kadavule...Thanoda keech kuralal SJ has spoilt more than 50% of IR songs...IR kku even in those days people used to say in many songs music sound out beats singer's voice...because of SJ's shrill voice...SJ IR combination oru SAABHAM...Pala nalla paadalgalai Janaki Kolai panniyerukka....Asha...RD....emotional,romantic, fullof feelings combination...
  
  
• From: Anonymous (@ 203.126.40.254) on: Thu Oct 18 21:56:51 EDT 2001
  
  TNS,
  
  Asha is anyday better than Janaki and Ilaiyaraja is anyday better than RD Burman. But I think as a combination IR-SJ score over RDB-AB
  
  
• From: Vikram (@ 203.126.40.254) on: Fri Oct 19 00:11:45 EDT 2001
  
  IR-SJ is the best
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Fri Oct 19 00:56:40 EDT 2001
  
  The above mentioned two combinations are also good. There is one more good combination "MSV-PS".
  
  
• From: newsman (@ 210.214.4.211) on: Fri Oct 19 01:07:48 EDT 2001
  
  Asha awarded Dada saheb Palke award today:-)
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Fri Oct 19 01:12:22 EDT 2001
  
  Other good combinations very much comparable to above combinations:
  
  1)Vani Jayaram with MSV,Vijaybhaskar,KVM,Shankar Ganesh.
  
  2)Lata (till the early 80s) with almost every MD including RD BURMAN who almost always semiclassical/sad songs to Lata.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Fri Oct 19 01:13:03 EDT 2001
  
  correction..........
  "who almost always GAVE ... songs to Lata"
  
  
• From: northie fan (@ 202.144.73.33) on: Fri Oct 19 06:38:43 EDT 2001
  
  IR is nothing when compared with RD & Sj with ASha ....do not even mention...
  RD gave little but immortal songs...Raja gave more & half are junks...
  
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Fri Oct 19 06:44:30 EDT 2001
  
  northie fan,
  
  RDB is a good MD and we accept it. But IR's case is different. He proved himself out of film music also.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 203.199.130.164) on: Fri Oct 19 11:38:19 EDT 2001
  
  northie fan:
  
  Hello, I myself ama Northie. Inspite of that, I will tell u that IR was original and versatile - his domain extends beyond filmi stuff to Carnatic,WCM, even Hindustani. RDB was quite a copycat and many of his songs are junk.
  
  SJ vs Asha - well thats subjective
  
  
• From: musiclove (@ 24.178.147.172) on: Fri Oct 19 12:56:57 EDT 2001
  
  hi
  TNS (@ 203.199.232.253
  
  hello my dear friend .can u point out any female playback singer who can sing any kind of songs.
  simply saying s.janaki is the best in south indian film world till now.
  
  u r saying that s,j spoiled raja's songs--o god
  hi TNS better u check with some ENT specalist to cheack your ear. if that is not working out go and check some mendal hospital
  
  
• From: pardhu (@ 202.54.26.125) on: Fri Oct 19 13:13:08 EDT 2001
  
  Dear Northie who commented that half of IR's
  songs are junk.....You people patronise the cheap
  copycats like AnuMallik who inturn gets songs from
  IR. We all know what kind of music click in north.
  You still keep listening to cheap melodies like
  HUm Ko Humeese and KKKG type o family songs
  and make them resounding successes. Name 10 albums
  which have a classical touch that are superhits
  in North and then talk of IR. One of the North Indian veterans, Naushad Ali
  has said he has a lot to learn from IR. Dear buddy,
  first learn what is true music and then dare commenting
  on the Maestro. As long as you appreciate the
  baby songs of Anu Mallik and Jatin Lalit, you
  can never realise the potential of IR.
  
  
• From: Kavitha (@ 168.143.112.8) on: Fri Oct 19 13:58:05 EDT 2001
  
  Dey Northie fan,
  C.. Suc..r you are not a northie you are from madras kotha keechiduvaen.(lan-202-144-73-33.maa.sify.net)
  
  
• From: northie fan (@ 202.144.73.33) on: Sat Oct 20 01:49:17 EDT 2001
  
  Kavitha,
  
  This is InDia ..a northie can be in Chennai or in Chengalpatu....o.k do not get emotional.
  
  The RD /IR issue is subjective....but RDB was a exceptional composer ...just listen to 1942 ..love story...what grace..what music ..what a parting shot by the great RDB....
  
  HAs IR given anythign like 1942...???
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: pardhu (@ 202.54.26.125) on: Sat Oct 20 02:58:24 EDT 2001
  
  IR has given better music than that of 1942. His
  Geethanjali is an excellent love-musical.
  Guna, Kalapani, Mauna Ragam all of them have got
  gracious love songs.
  
  
• From: Bala (@ 203.200.15.20) on: Sat Oct 20 03:45:40 EDT 2001
  
  IR-JANAKAI Combination is the best
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Sat Oct 20 06:05:46 EDT 2001
  
  imho, ir is greater than rdb, inspite of 1942...
  
  but, combination-wise, rdb-ab is better.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: lv (@ 203.197.86.1) on: Sat Oct 20 10:00:54 EDT 2001
  
  pardhu:
  
  Classical scores in the North existed in large nos. till the 80s in case u do not know, many by RDB. Try this one song by Manna Dey from "Mehbooba" if u wish - "gori tori paijaniyaan".
  http://musicindiaonline.com/music/l/XX01000C0Y
  
  
  Also try Kinara,Aandhi,Khushboo,Khubsoorat,Chhote Nawaab,Dil Padosi Hai(listen to asha's 'bheeni bheeni'.. http://musicindiaonline.com/music/l/02010002) - all by RDB - all classical based scores.
  
  
  
• From: Guru (@ 172.136.49.196) on: Sat Oct 20 13:28:25 EDT 2001
  
  I think the comparison is quite stupid. IR has been an ardent RDB fan and RDB could have been aninspiration for IR in few of the songs eg. "En purushanthan, ennaku mattum thaan" is an inspiration from "dum are dum" ( hare rama hare krishna) and vice-versa for RDB. Both were geniuses in their own right.There are equal no. of hits (both western and indian classical) given by RDB-AB and IR-SJ combos. I am an ardent fan of both the MD's and have never thought to compare these two. Remarks that SJ has shrill voice in high pitches is an insinuation. Both SJ and AB were equally versatile. Then why the comparison? Even if we set them on a level playing field, we are going to have a stalemate!
  
  
• From: anonymous (@ 192.169.41.42) on: Sun Oct 21 09:28:06 EDT 2001
  
  I think Guru is correct
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 203.126.40.254) on: Tue Oct 23 23:12:07 EDT 2001
  
  Guru, if what you are saying is correct then no one should compare IR and ARR also. Listen, here we are not comparing IR and RDB, rather we are comparing the combination of IR with SJ and that of RDB with AB. Since most of the TFM listeners are not exposed to HFM (coincidentally, thanks to IR), they will not appreciate this. But the same is true with HFM listeners also. So this is a forum where you know both about TFM and HFM and are comparing them.
  
  
• From: music (@ 24.178.147.172) on: Wed Oct 24 00:28:10 EDT 2001
  
  do u guys really acccept this
  
  dadhasahip plakae award to asha before s.janaki.
  
  i think asha sung only 12000 songs,,
  s.janaki sung more than 15,000
  
  i think the north guysss intensly omit the southiesss
  
  
• From: music (@ 24.178.147.172) on: Wed Oct 24 00:28:57 EDT 2001
  
  do u guys really acccept this
  
  dhadha sahip palkae award to asha
  it should be given to s.janaki. first
  
  i think asha sung only 12000 songs,,
  s.janaki sung more than 15,000
  
  i think the north guysss intensly omit the southiesss
  
  
• From: bala (@ 203.200.15.20) on: Wed Oct 24 00:45:22 EDT 2001
  
  music you are correct
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Wed Oct 24 11:44:04 EDT 2001
  
  Leave that.
  What about SPB with 40000 songs and KJY with similar number.
  PS and SJ are also there.?
  When will the NI guys reform?
  
  

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