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Topic started by Uthaman (@ 65.69.56.36) on Fri Jun 28 02:04:55 EDT 2002.
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Is there any uniquness about the song "Poomalaye Thol serava" from Pagal Nilavu. I think there is not a single pause in both saranam and pallavi. Either Janaki or IR contionously sing. I am not sure about this. Any other songs like this? We know about "Mannilindha kadhal". Even though it is said SPB sang continously he admitted they edited out the tiniest of breath he took in between.

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• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.56.36) on: Fri Jun 28 03:57:34 EDT 2002
  
  I add "Nivetha" which has all but just one word.
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.56.36) on: Fri Jun 28 03:57:49 EDT 2002
  
  I add "Nivetha" which has nothing but just one word.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.76.165) on: Fri Jun 28 04:24:47 EDT 2002
  
  "thandhaen thandhaen" from Villupaatukaaran - the entire song didnt hv the lips joining... no "m or p" words which make the lip joining... udhadu ottaadha paadal.
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.56.36) on: Fri Jun 28 04:26:03 EDT 2002
  
  Wow Vj. I also remember that now. Who wrote the lyrics for that song? (Thanden Thanden)
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74) on: Fri Jun 28 04:40:42 EDT 2002
  
  Uthaman,
  
  Gangai Amaran
  
  (Or is it Vaalee ? oru 10% doubt irukku ;-)
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.79.126) on: Mon Jul 1 01:55:01 EDT 2002
  
  there is a very strong possibility that GA could be the lyricist since its their home production.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Mon Jul 1 02:42:35 EDT 2002
  
  Vj That PArticular Song Was by Vaali
  As GA himself Told That..
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74) on: Mon Jul 1 02:47:37 EDT 2002
  
  Vj,
  
  I also guessed like that , But I think Vaalee was the lyricst for all songs in Karakaattak kaaran Which was by GA,
  
  raj, can you confirm this ? and thanks for the update on villup paattuk kaaran song !
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Mon Jul 1 03:10:03 EDT 2002
  
  Not All Songs
  1 or 2 songs Were by Vaali in Karagattakaran
  hopefully Kudagu malai I remember
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.78.83) on: Mon Jul 1 06:58:39 EDT 2002
  
  "Kanmaniye kaadhal enbadhu" - Aarilirundhu arubadhu varai.... one of the longest pallavi and anupallavi without a break in between.... kinda fore-runner to "Mannil indha kaadhalandri"
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.78.83) on: Mon Jul 1 06:59:38 EDT 2002
  
  and probably one of toughest songs to recite as a solo singer shd be "thamthana thamthana" from Pudhiya vaarpugal... no break in the charanams
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Mon Jul 1 09:23:20 EDT 2002
  
  thamthana thamthana thaaLam varum FROM pudhiya vaarpugaL (MD IR) a kind of "pallavi alone" type.
  
  minnalai pidiththu minnalai pidiththu FROM shahjahan (MD mani sharma) is also a kind of "pallavi alone" type.
  
  if we see lyrics wise then a lot from old films will have some unique features:
  
  parthaen rasithaen -> ends with thaen
  anbu nadamaadum kalai koodamae aasai manimaegamae -> ??
  In one of the episodes of Sun News interview with MSV by some school children, MSV told that he was thona thonaththifying KKD to give lyrics to his tune as the film unit has to move to malaysia or some foreign country to shoot further. KKD was not ready with the song that time. MSV was saying that "saar may maasam vandhuduchchi avanga(film unit) sonna maadhiri may maasam aarambaththilaeyae foreign pogaraanga, neenga ippa paattu kuduththaa adha naan mudichchi may maasam avanga poradhukkuLLa thandhuduvaen, he..hee..may maasam nerungunadhunnaala thaan naan nachcharikkaraen. To that KKD said "aenna da idhu vamba pochchu, may may-nnu nachcharikkarae sari indha varigaLa kaettukko 'anbu nadamaadum kalaikooda-may, aasai manimaega-may'".
  
  andhaadhi type of songs like vasantha kaala nadhigaLilae vairamani neeralaigaL; neeralaigaL meedhinilae nenjirendin ninaivalaigaL.
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.56.179) on: Mon Jul 1 15:00:04 EDT 2002
  
  Yea vasanatha kaala nadhigalile was a wonderful song. Anything like that?
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.76.114) on: Tue Jul 2 00:32:57 EDT 2002
  
  Kupps... i do agree with ur categorization of "Minnalai pidithu" but i dont think "thamthana" falls under that category.. the pallavi and the charanam tunes are different in that song.
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66) on: Tue Jul 2 02:13:03 EDT 2002
  
  How about the moonraam pirai song
  " vaanengum vanna vin meengal .....
  kadal kullithu ezhum neram... naam paaduvom geethanjali" the song with the longest pallavi according to VM
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Tue Jul 2 02:40:22 EDT 2002
  
  Vj,
  
  after u told i sung the song (in my mind). i feel what u r saying is right. there is a difference in pallavi and charanam of the song. so for the pudhiya vaarpugaL song ur categorization alone fits in.
  
  Thanks.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Tue Jul 2 02:52:27 EDT 2002
  
  one old movie song, lyrics by papanaasam sivan sung by Banumathy(i think) has a unique feature in the lyrics. The song side-by-side sings about both sivan and vishnu.
  
  The song is maa ramaNan uma ramanan malaradi paNi manamae. Maa RamaNan -> Vishnu; Uma RamaNan -> Sivan. In the second line one more finer info will be there. It is maaRa janakan Kumaara janakan. maaRa janakan -> father of maaRan (thamizh word for manmadhan) -> Vishnu; kumaara janakan -> father of kumaaran(murugan) -> sivan. Really a nice lyrics.
  
  Please allow me to digress.
  
  There is one small kavyam in sanskrit. The author name i forgot. The kavyam's name is Raaghava yaadhaveeyam. It contains about 30-40 slokams (each slokam will be just lengthier than thirukkuraL). If we read each slokam from top to bottom (as usual) it will describe about raaghavan a.k.a raaman i.e. it is ramayanam. Whereas if u read each sloka from bottom to top (ofcourse each word should be read as usual and NOT like urdu) it is krishnayanam i.e. story of lord krishna. Really nice work.
  
  Sorry for the digression
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.33.182) on: Tue Jul 2 04:38:04 EDT 2002
  
  there is something so different about poomalaiye from pagal nilavu-unbeleivable orchestration.i can imagine the relief of orchestra once IR okayed this song.can anyone explain what is different-has IR used two different ragas as counterpoint in charanam-he will be singing in a seperate way and janaki chips in with 'ennai unakkendru koduthen...' but the total effect is amazing.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 63.161.26.234) on: Tue Jul 2 06:03:47 EDT 2002
  
  Yaaro,
  the song is unique and an excellunt innovation but I dont think they use two different rags...the raga is kalyani(mostly)
  
  
• From: Saketh@Atlanta (@ 130.207.32.174) on: Tue Jul 2 08:59:29 EDT 2002
  
  The lyrics of 'Om Namas-shivaya...' from Salangai Oli are beautiful. Charanam starts with 'Panchaboothangalum muga vadivaagum...' (5), then 'Aaru thaalangalum aadaigal aagum...' (6) etc
  Charanam 1 then goes to on numbers 7, 8, 9. Similarly, charanam 2 covers 3,4,2,1, and ends with 'Adhavaithamum nee, aadhiandham nee...' that's really neat.
  
  I am quoting from memory, and on second thought lyrics could be missing some numbers, not sure. Anyway, What about original Telugu lyrics for the song? same lyrics or different?
  
  
• From: guest (@ 164.164.94.115) on: Tue Jul 2 09:31:48 EDT 2002
  
  The Telugu lyrics are exactly the same. I guess the credit goes to Veturi - the Telugu lyricist.
  
  
• From: thiru (@ 63.169.243.18) on: Tue Jul 2 10:37:01 EDT 2002
  
  would like to quote 'rasathi' from thiruda thiruda with no bgm to support the song... its unique i guess.....
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jul 2 10:39:59 EDT 2002
  
  Kavidhai Kelungal from Punnagai Mannan is unique in its tempo and transition from "western" beginning to its Indian "folk" ending. One of IRs most interesting experiments in cross-genre fusion.
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Tue Jul 2 10:43:28 EDT 2002
  
  and Poomalaye was splendidly picturised too..That grand violin prelude was swwetly done..both murali and revathi running down the hill..and that cigaratte scene..how well does that fit to the musica man...music and picturisation each joining hands together..
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.44.153) on: Tue Jul 2 17:59:09 EDT 2002
  
  According to Chitra the most difficult song he had ever sung was
  
  'Thathitha vithaigal' from Azagan. Does it have a long pallavi without break?
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Tue Jul 2 20:08:42 EDT 2002
  
  kupps: if you have more info on (or the material iteslf of) raGhava yAdhavIyam, can you please email me. thanks.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Wed Jul 3 00:52:19 EDT 2002
  
  hi aruL,
  
  i'm not sure whether i have it or not. neways if it is there it should be in my hometown. next time when i go to my hometown. i'll try to find it(hard copy) out and send it to you in e-mail.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74) on: Wed Jul 3 00:55:49 EDT 2002
  
  thiru,
  
  there are atleast three TFM songs with no BGM support. Among these, I remember 'Nammavar' Came first !
  
  1. Nammavar - Ethileeyum vallavaNda, Nambikkai uLLavaNdaa - SPB
  2. Thiruda Thiruda - Raasaathi - Shagul Hameed
  3. MayaBajaar - Naan poRanthu Vanthathu - S. Janaki, IR and Arunmozhi
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Wed Jul 3 00:57:23 EDT 2002
  
  naan Poranthu Vandathu By KSC,IR &Arunmozhi
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Wed Jul 3 01:11:03 EDT 2002
  
  the famous janani janani song of thai moogambigai written by kavingar vaali also has this numbers in the lyrics. In the charanam it goes something like chathur(4) vaedhangaLum pancha(5) boothangaLum shan(6) maargangaLum saptha(7) theerthangaLum, ashta(8) yogangaLum nava(9) yaagangaLum. These numbers are in a kind of sankritised thamizh. However the famous ondRu irandu song of thiruvizhayaadal sung by K.B.SundaraambaL lyrics by KKD, ondRaanavan uruvil irandaanavan uruvaana painthamizhil moondraanavan, naangaanavan (meaning 4 vaedhangaLum avanae) namachivaaya aena aindhaanavan has numbers in thamizh.
  
  dhamadhurai (starring super star) has one count song onnu rendu moonu naalu anju aaru aendha ooru sondha ooru aenna paeru :-)
  
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.83.178) on: Wed Jul 3 01:20:10 EDT 2002
  
  "chippi irukkudhu" - Varumayin niram sivappu - every1 knows the uniqueness..
  
  same way, "kanmani anbodu" - Guna.
  
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74) on: Wed Jul 3 02:37:29 EDT 2002
  
  raj,
  
  may be there is a KSC version also - But I am sure I have listened to a SJ Version of this song in the cassette and in the movie !
  
  NagaS
  
  

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